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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Good example. Add to it, suppose some foreign contemporary travelers were to investigate this issue and make notes.
    One might mention that Paapiman was involved in theft and beating old women, but he doesn't mention anything else. Other might say that Paapiman was wrongfully charged because of Chatanga. Another one might state the whole story, without the Police involvement. Another one might say that it was a personal quarrel. Paapiman deserved what he got, for what he had done to Chatanga eariler. Now, which account is to be trusted? Just because those people were foreigners, it does not necessarily mean that their accounts will always be completely accurate or complete.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Well, I try to follow Sikhism. So, it should not be surprising that I am biased. I have my reasons for it too.
    You need to realize that Satgurus had many enemies, especially after Fourth master.
    Caste ridden people Religiously Bigoted People Imposters Some of Satguru's own family members Corrupt people Local authorities Central authority Masands Hill chiefs Anyone of the above mentioned groups could have possibly written anything about the Satgurus. I will trust the Sikh sources over other non-Sikh ones and you cannot really blame me for that. 
    For you (if you want to be unbiased), you will never know what exactly happened if there are conflicting historical accounts. You will have to time travel (if you can) and see for yourself. Until then, you can only form an opinion, but never be 100% certain about it.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Multiple Meanings - ਵਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ   
    ਵਣੁ
    This refers to a forest. So, it could possibly represent a wild nature, which is a chararcteristic of a Tamoguni person.
    ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ
    This refers to a Meadow (grass with wild flowers). So, possibly referring to a Rajoguni person, who is wild, but has some spiritual knowledge.
    ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ 
    Not sure what this would indicate. Can someone please help?
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Multiple Meanings - ਵਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ   
    Please share all the meanings of these three words - ਵਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ 
    ਵਣੁ
    - Jungle/forest
    - Tree
    - Antaykaran
    ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ
    - Grass
    - Little bit
    - Simple
    - Indray (5 Gyan and 5 Karam)
    ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ 
    - Three loks (realms)
    - Three bodies (One outer physical and two subtle)
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Multiple Meanings - ਵਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ   
    Another arth of this word - Meadow
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from Varinderjeet in Shaheed Singhs   
    Listen at 6:45 
     
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Maryada After Death (Antim Sanskar)   
    Excellent find veer ji. Here is a another one by Bhai Randhir Singh in his book Undittha duniya and i did send it you.
     
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from lostsikh in Previous Life of Bhai Mardana jee   
    Veer ji here is Sant Jarnail Singh Ji's version 
    https://m.soundcloud.com/gurmat-parchar/bhaimardanapastlife
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbani Shabad translation   
    Veer this is the only version i have found so far online of this shabad. 
     
    But here is a version i have tried making using roman 
     
    AKHI GHATTA MUH VICH DATTA|| 
    Bole na sake 
    BIR BIR TAKKE  HARGOBIND DE DHAKKe MARYA  sri GURU HAR RAI sahib  ji DA dushman de sir bate  Sadka babbe nanak da
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Add murder to the list above as the masands of Baba Ram Rai (son of Seventh Master) burn't him alive, to take over his seat.
    Later, Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) punished the masands (by killing them), who were responsible for this sinful act.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    There is no doubt that the Masands were punished for their sinful deeds. Not all were boiled alive or killed. Appropriate punishments were given by Sri Satguru jee. For example, one Masand was hung upside down from a tree (as a punishment for theft), not killed. So the Hukamnamas/Rehatnamas would apply to the leftover Masands, who did not receive death sentences by Maharaaj.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    @amardeep
    Also, Dulcha Masand, who stole bangles (sent by a devotee), was also forgiven by Sri Satguru jee.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    a. A big event does not necessarily need to have multiple records. Remember we are talking about the 17th century, not 21st.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
     
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    That is the wish of Almighty God (Sri Satguru jee). God decides what punishment is to be given, not humans.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    The Masands burn't a copy of the Holy book, which for a Sikh is equivalent (or even worse) that burning his parents alive. What punishment do you recommend for someone who burns alive your father or mother?
    People have full right to hold their own opinions. Sikhism does not coerce anyone to follow its principles/morals/ethics, etc. But, if people start physically burning copies of holy books (even if they are non-Sikh scriptures), then for sure they will be in big trouble in a Sikh nation. One can disagree to certain aspects of Sikhism in a civilized and polite manner. That should not be a problem in a Sikh nation.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Laws based on Gurbani, Rehatname, Hukamname, Gur-Ithehas, etc.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Thanks for mentioning that. Burning/Destroying parts of the holy book is a crime, which deserves death sentence, according to the laws of Sikhism.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Do you know how Aurengzeb mercilessly killed his own father and brothers for power? Even an ordinary person (non-Sikh) cannot compare such a monster to Sri Satguru jee.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from paapiman in Would Society Be Better Off Without God?   
    Interesting find veer. If only people were afraid of God.
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Would Society Be Better Off Without God?   
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Attempt to humiliate is speculating too. As said earlier, it all depended on the intention of the Sikh. 
    It is recorded by a non-Sikh source. So chances are high that it did happen.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    This is called the "Saint-Warrior" aspect of Sikhism. 
    Almighty God is both, the greatest saint (can forgive massive sins) and the greatest warrior (can mercilessly punish the tyrants).
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder reacted to paapiman in Aurangzeb   
    Are you even aware of the activities of the Masands?
    Assaulting innocent people Threatening innocent people Extortion from innocent people Theft Abuse of authority A tyrant deserves to be punished whether someone calls him a freedom fighter or a terrorist. Labels will not change the facts when a person is committing crimes against humanity.
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbani Shabad translation   
    Here it is metioned in katha listen at 32:55
     
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    Soulfinder got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbani Shabad translation   
    WJKK WJKF 
    Sangat ji i was listening to this katha which i will post link for. I was wondering if anyone can make me a roman version of this shabad thanks 
     
    So far i have found Akhi Ghatta Muh Vich Datta Bir Bir Takke Bol Na Sakke 
     

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