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We can discuss Gurbani and MAya in some new topic in future this is not the thread to discuss and since you know where you stand on MAya please educate us abt this line " Red is the heaviest color in maya ". I would like to know from GURBANI viewpoint the interconnection of red color its heaviness and maya . By copy pasting ,picking one liner and making videos one cannot called Dhandrianwala a nindak of Gurbani either which @paapiman and his fellows are doing .

its not important..

Even I dont want to digress from the topic in hand. Sounds Strange !!! ("Red is the heaviest color in maya. I don't see anything wrong with disciplining yourself to stay away from something in maya") But you need to educate yourself from Gurbani .What is the actual way to stay away from MAYA

yes i had quoted you .

I don't know where all the above stuff coming fron but definately SGGS does not subscribe this theory. Regarding Rehatamas again you should be bear in mind what ever is related to sikh code of conduct it is subjected to principles of SGGS .It has to be verified and authenticated by SGGS. Their are many Rehatamas available and many of them are contradictory. So to my knowledge whatever is related to Colors SGGS does not discriminate between colors.If their is any mentioned of it do let me know. Four Colors as mentioned is related to taksali belief and not Gurmat belief.

Please elaborate if you like to discuss it. At what time frame ?

I agree with you .And this what Dhunda and Dhadrianwala are also speaking abt.

What credit he has run off from the debate not willing to debate with me.

Well I appreciate you opinion. But we are discussing a topic associated to Dhandriawala and Taksali.There is no doubt that popular members in this forum associates themselves with Taksali Marayiada its fine with them they have right to choose their way of understanding Gurbani. Problem arises when they try to force others to accept their mariyada and if not they start slandering ,abuse calling then anti Sikhs etc which is not correct.This is exactly what is happening with Dhadriawala. We are on the 21st page and these guys @paapiman and his fellow friends have not come up with one nonedited video of Dhadriyanwals which is anti Gurmat. Regarding Colors i had posted a video where Taksali Representative is caught lying that Satguru has restricted his sikhs not to wear Red/Green and other lie is there are only four colors of khalsa.Choice of colors is individual SGGS does not differentiate colors whether it is good bad .I ask him does wearing Red/Green makes me non Sikhs? The sikhs in the indian army wear green and red turbans So instead of pointing fingers on others it is better they set their house in order and stop imposing their ideology on others. SGGS and SRM does not subscribe to the ideology as mentioned in this video.It is solely associated to one particular sect.

I agree with you.They have reduced sikhi to Alif Laila kind stories.Sprouting stories out of nowhere fooling sangat. This forum is hijacked by brahmanvaad ideology.

then why blame indian government,indian army for the attack.we should blame akal purakh.

@paapiman Also I would like to thank You for introducing Dhandrianwala to me and sangat through this platform.We have got one more TAT Gurmat Vichaar pracharak in the list SATNAM

My Dear , You are running away from the debate.Your hiding behind this repeated question shows your ignorance of Nanak Philosophy.If you feel i am not able to satisfy your query than ignore and atleast answer my questions and we move on .After all it is a discussion forum. .Dhandarianwala preaching of Gurmat has made you all jittery and nervous The brahmins had made monopoly that only Brahmin will read vedas no one need to know anything. So Sanskrit language they kept for themselves and prohibited it for others The modern Sant Samaj wanted this privilege for themselves. We will interpret Gurbani in our own way and when necessary. You dont have to read and understand it.We will do Akand Path on your behalf and all these stuff keeping sangat away from doing any vichaar .This is whati mean by Brahamamvaad Virus Then comes Dhandarianwala and other Authentic pracharaks and said no you have to read and do vichaar and follow what Gurbani Says in your life which has created awareness among sikh masses . Well keeping me in ignore list is your choice.But i feel you don't have that Khalsa spirit to stand firm on you ground.i I tag you as a akhuti Jathedar of this forum Good Luck!!

Logic given by taksali as to how Red color is banned : I think you don't listen to post which i upload I will share it again Start listening from 0:20 .This is how Red color is banned by providing a fictious story with no spiritual nourishment purely anti gurmat siddhant . Sprouting such stories has been part of Hindu spritual culture to fool people which has been injected as a virus into sikhi hence coined as Brahmanism virus.

Your Designation as a jathedar is same as present jathedar. Hopless.You yourself are not quite well versed with Gurmat teaching Hasn't God Given men a intellect to live aaccording to his Hukum. Isn't its man mind to understand his Hukum. If its raining its his hukum,However to be wet or dry is your will . Putting hand inside a burning fire is your WILL not his hukum. Similarly attack on Darbar Sahib is not his Hukum but a deliberate tactics which was created by humans(Indian Government) So stop playing this game .This i have seen earlier when you taksali don't have an justification to a query you play this Hukum card.

Fooling everyone so when you don't have answer you bring his Hukum in front. My answer is NO. If it goes by this logic 1.than 1984 sikh riot was also according to his hukum 2.Dhandrianwala preaching is also in his hukum 3.Rapes of Girls is also his hukum 4. Declining of Sikh religion is also his Hukum It is better not to comment like this and let people think you are a fool than to comment it and remove all doubt.

Which Guru told us too wear only these four colors and reject Red/Green. Why do you taksali always lie abt everthing . Problem with you guys are Sangat have stated questining you ,U even can't defend your own ideology

This is not a apology.He says if sangat finds its wrong. I think you need to clarify regarding the description given in the you tube .I will quote here "ਵਿਰੋਧੀ ਧਿਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਅਟੈਕ ਬਾਰੇ ਜੋ ਕਲਿਪ ਕੱਟ ਕੇ ਪਾਈ ਗਈ ਗ਼ਲਤ ਰੂਪ ਚ ਸੰਗਤ ਚ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕੀਤੀ https://youtu.be/B1040Pru6m8 ਉਸ ਲਈ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜੇ ਇਹ ਗ਼ਲਤ ਗੱਲ ਲੱਗੀ ਤਾਂ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਰੂਪ ਜਾਣਕੇ ਮੰਗੀ ਮਾਫ਼ੀ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤ ਅਗੇ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਾਲੀ ਗੱਲ ਲਈ ਪੰਜੇ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਮੁਆਫ਼ੀ ਮੰਗੀ ਅਤੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕੀਤੀ " What he meant is whatever he said is correct but if sangat finds it objectionable. i will apologize but this incident happened. What nonsense is this. Please clarify !!

Doesn't matter It is still accepted by majority sikhs barring Taksali ,Deras.

Why should i mind my language.This guy says that Guru Gobind ordered attack on Akal Takht .Isn't this a foolish argument by foolish man. If we accept his logic Then why are we blaming Indian Government for the attack.RIDICULOUS

That is your taksali based opinion . I go by the panth pravanith akal takht mariyada . Suprised bhai Gurdas Varan not included.

What gyan do you expect when fools like him does a very ridiculous Katha. This is a classical example of hijacking of sikh teaching.they have reduced the sikh ideology to mythology just like hindu . No wonder where our sikhi is heading if this is the quality of our katha vichar.

Who is a Brahmgyani clearly defined by Guruji as ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ ਮਨਿ ਸਾਚਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਪੇਖੈ ਏਕਸੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਲਛਣ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾਂ ੨੭੨ Meaning: ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਮੂੰਹੋਂ ਭੀ ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਇੱਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਤੇ ਭੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਹੋਰ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ, ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ ! ਉਹ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਦਕਾ ‘ਬ੍ਰਹਮਗਿਆਨੀ’ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

Now we should be very cautious of what type and from where the gyan we are getting from Now as this being a Sikh forum so the primary source of our gyan should be coming from SGGS .Teachings of Gurbani is universal and for the masses and in whatever avasthaa their mind is It should should be explained with Gurbani Framework and not adulterated from outside with something which doesn't add any spritual nourishment like the video of "Oranges from the Heavens"