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3 hours ago, DeNiro said:

You tell me.  

I know where I'm at with maya,  so show me gurbani to educate myself with.   Show me "your" understanding of the gurbani and not slap paste some video, because I don't watch them.

Look forward to seeing your gurbani education.

We can discuss Gurbani and MAya in some new topic in future this is not the thread to discuss and since you know where you stand on MAya   please educate us abt this line " Red is the heaviest color in maya ". I would like to know from GURBANI  viewpoint the interconnection of red color  its heaviness  and maya .

By copy pasting ,picking one liner and making  videos  one cannot called Dhandrianwala a nindak of Gurbani either which @paapiman and his fellows  are doing .

3 hours ago, DeNiro said:

btw is your name 'angie' as in 'Angela' ? or are you a bunda ?

 

its not important..

On 10/5/2018 at 11:43 AM, DeNiro said:

have no idea whether wearing red is good or bad, and have no right speculating that some rehatnama saying so, maybe wrong.  If your rehatnama says so, then stick to it. Stay away from red. Respect the rules. Learn to discipline yourself.   Red is the heaviest color in maya. It's the most vibrant color coming from white light.  I don't see anything wrong with disciplining yourself to stay away from something in maya. End result will make Mind stronger and that's what the game is all about. 

Even I dont want to digress from the topic in hand.

Sounds Strange !!! ("Red is the heaviest color in maya. I don't see anything wrong with disciplining yourself to stay away from something in maya")

But  you need to educate yourself from Gurbani .What is the actual way  to stay away from MAYA

51 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

"You talkin' to me?"

yes i had quoted you .

On 10/5/2018 at 11:43 AM, DeNiro said:

If your rehatnama says so, then stick to it. Stay away from red. Respect the rules. Learn to discipline yourself.   Red is the heaviest color in maya. It's the most vibrant color coming from white light.  I don't see anything wrong with disciplining yourself to stay away from something in maya. End result will make Mind stronger and that's what the game is all about. 

 Gurbani doesn't say 

I don't know where all the above stuff coming fron but definately SGGS does not subscribe this theory.

Regarding Rehatamas  again you should be bear in mind what ever is related to sikh code of conduct it  is subjected to principles of SGGS .It has to be verified and authenticated by SGGS.

Their are many Rehatamas available and many of them are contradictory.

So to my knowledge whatever is related  to Colors SGGS does not discriminate between colors.If their is any mentioned of it do let me know.

Four Colors as mentioned is related to taksali belief and not Gurmat belief.

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

He has no idea what the spiritual context of the shabad he quoted is and his interpretation is closed book.

Please elaborate if you like to  discuss it.

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Dhunda is the one who is misconstruing the shabad  and implying that it says "you wear and keep red in gristi Jeevan"  This is baloney. The shabad is NOT talking about maya.  Do

At  what time frame ?

42 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Gurbani doesn't say whether to wear red or not. One cannot equate the spiritual significance of color red to wearing red clothes.  Gurbani talks about Red color on a totally different level.  When you start associating it in maya, then it's a whole new ball game.

There are many shabads that mention color red, but I can't recall one stating anything about wearing red or not to wear. If someone has interpreted it in that sense, well good luck to them.  What do I care anyway?   as De Niro famously says " I'm bound for the promised land" 

I agree with you .And this what Dhunda and Dhadrianwala are also speaking abt.

6 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Credit goes to @paapiman veer ji.

What credit he has run off from the debate not willing to debate with me.

19 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Problem is there are two sides to the coin here. The topic of red color spiritually has nothing to do with what color you physically wear.  The spiritual aspects are the other side of the coin to the physical aspects.  When you see Red in maya, then it is NOT the same as experiencing the love of red in turiya avastha.

Well I appreciate you opinion.

But we are discussing  a topic associated to Dhandriawala and Taksali.There is no doubt that popular members in this forum associates themselves with Taksali Marayiada its  fine with them they have right to choose their way of understanding Gurbani.

Problem arises when they try to force others to accept their mariyada  and if not they start slandering ,abuse calling then anti Sikhs etc which is not correct.This is exactly what is happening with Dhadriawala. We are on the 21st page and these guys @paapiman and his fellow friends have not come up with one nonedited  video  of Dhadriyanwals which is anti Gurmat.

Regarding Colors   i had posted a video  where Taksali Representative is caught lying that Satguru has restricted  his sikhs not to wear Red/Green  and other lie is there are only four colors of khalsa.Choice of colors is individual SGGS does not differentiate colors whether it is good bad .I ask him does wearing Red/Green  makes me non Sikhs? The sikhs in the indian army wear green and red turbans  So instead of pointing fingers on others it is better they  set their  house in order and stop imposing their ideology on others.

 SGGS and SRM does not subscribe to the ideology as mentioned in this video.It is solely associated to one particular sect.

On 3/13/2017 at 10:56 PM, akalpurkh said:

You will not like me after reading this.

If God grant me one wish, I would ask God to not let any humans (Sikhs, non-Sikhs, anyone) to join this forum.

Seriously, because only thing I see and read in this forum is nothing but Brahmanwaad Ver 2.0.

Everyone, except few people like @CdnSikhGirl, are doing nothing but just ripping apart Sikhi.

The Sachi-Suchi Practical, Heuristic, Realistic and Simplistic philosophy of Guru Nanak Ji is nowhere seen here. All Guru ji lived a normal human life doing all functions which a normal human do, but the only thing that differentiates them was their VIRTUES. They had the Gyaan. They had all the VIRTUES such as Charity,compassion, courage, courteousness, diligence, discipline, empathy, endurance, fairness, faith, fidelity, forgiveness, fortitude, generosity, honesty, honor, hopefulness, hospitality, humility, impartiality, innocence, integrity, joy, kindness, mercy, modesty, morality, patience, peacefulness, perseverance, prudence, purity, purposefulness, respectfulness, self-discipline, sincerity, sympathy, temperance, thankfulness, trustworthiness, truth, wisdom etc. which a human of high moral standard should possess.

They lead a normal life but it was a life of SIGNIFICANCE, and they lived a practical life to teach and make us understand. They showed us ways by setting example for us in every aspects of life.

Guru Nanak Ji didn't perform any magic shows to attract people during their udasis (trips). It was the GYAAN, the Reformed and Revolutionized KNOWLEDGE, which people got attracted to. What I see in this forum is only the  ALIF-LAILA version of Sikhi. Behind every action there is some supernatural and mystical things associated to it.

As long as sex is concerned, what Guru ji taught was simple.
Having sex with neighbor's wife makes us a bad Human (or for that matter not even a Human), and on the other side having sex with our own wife and being loyal and faithful makes us a good Human. Simple as that, period.
What I see in this forum is whole mystical thing revolving around whether Guru Ji had sexual intercourse or not. Was our Guru ji aliens? Why would they not have sex with their wives? What's wrong in that? This is how all humans are born. Nobody is ever born in this world without it.

Having children without sex doesn't makes our Guruji great, it's the Loyalty, Trust and Faithfulness that makes them Great.

I was happy initially when I joined this forum but now I would never want anyone to see what's going inside this.

I know, now people will start bashing me.

I agree with you.They have reduced sikhi to Alif Laila kind stories.Sprouting  stories out of nowhere  fooling sangat. This forum is hijacked by brahmanvaad ideology.

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

So, how do you interpret the following verse (part of Nitnem)?

ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥

 then why blame indian government,indian army for the attack.we should blame akal purakh.

7 hours ago, paapiman said:

Did Operation Blue star occur within the Hukam of Akal Purakh or not?

@paapiman

Also I would like to thank You for introducing Dhandrianwala to me and sangat through this platform.We have got  one more TAT Gurmat Vichaar pracharak in the list

SATNAM

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Again, you have failed to answer my question.

IMHO, a person cannot have a healthy discussion with another person, if questions have to be repeated over and over again to elicit a response. Daas will be placing you on my ignore list (blocking you).

 

Bhul chuk maaf

My Dear ,

  You are running away from the debate.Your hiding behind this repeated question  shows your ignorance of Nanak Philosophy.If you feel i am not able to satisfy your query than ignore and atleast answer my questions  and we move on .After all it is a discussion forum.

.Dhandarianwala preaching of Gurmat has made you all jittery and nervous

The brahmins had made monopoly that only Brahmin will read vedas no one need to know anything. So Sanskrit language they kept for themselves and prohibited it for others

The modern Sant Samaj wanted  this privilege for themselves. We will interpret Gurbani in our own way and when necessary. You dont have to read and understand it.We will do Akand Path on your behalf and all these stuff keeping sangat away from doing any vichaar .This is whati mean by   Brahamamvaad Virus

Then comes Dhandarianwala and other Authentic pracharaks  and said no you have to  read and do vichaar  and follow what Gurbani Says in your life  which has created awareness among sikh masses .

Well keeping me in ignore  list is your choice.But i feel you don't have that Khalsa spirit  to stand firm on you ground.i I tag  you as a  akhuti  Jathedar of this forum

Good Luck!!

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Daas told you earlier that we will discuss about Sikhism, with regards to colors. But, you need to answer my question first.

This is my fifth time asking you.

How are the four primary colors of the Khalsa related to the so-called Brahmanism virus? Can you please explain?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Logic given by taksali as to how  Red color is banned :

 I think you don't listen to post which i upload I will share it again Start listening from 0:20 .This is how Red color is banned by providing a  fictious story with no spiritual nourishment purely anti gurmat siddhant .

Sprouting such stories has been  part of Hindu spritual culture  to fool people which has been injected as a virus  into sikhi  hence coined as Brahmanism virus.

Your  Designation as a jathedar is same as present jathedar. Hopless.You yourself are not quite well versed with Gurmat teaching

 Hasn't God Given men a intellect  to live aaccording to his Hukum. Isn't its  man mind  to understand his Hukum.

If its raining  its his hukum,However to  be wet or dry is your will .

Putting hand inside a burning fire is your WILL  not his hukum.

Similarly attack on Darbar Sahib is  not his Hukum but a deliberate tactics  which was created by humans(Indian Government)

So stop playing this game  .This i have seen earlier when you taksali don't have an justification to a query you play this Hukum card.

1 minute ago, paapiman said:

Did Operation Blue star occur within the Hukam of Akal Purakh or not?

Yes or No?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 Fooling everyone so when you don't have answer you bring his Hukum  in front.

My answer is NO.

If it goes by this logic

1.than 1984 sikh riot was also according to his hukum

2.Dhandrianwala preaching is also in his hukum

3.Rapes of Girls is also his hukum

4. Declining of Sikh religion is also his Hukum

It is better not to comment like this  and let people think you are a fool than to comment  it and remove all doubt.
 

10 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Which Brahmin text(s) talk(s) about wearing the four colors of the Khalsa and rejects the red/green color?

This is my fourth time asking you.

How are the four primary colors of the Khalsa related to the so-called Brahmanism virus? Can you please explain?

 

Bhul chuk maa

Which Guru  told us too wear only these four colors and reject Red/Green. Why do you taksali always lie abt everthing .

Problem with you guys are Sangat have stated questining you ,U even can't defend your own ideology 

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Firstly, mind your language when talking about a good Sikh preacher.

Secondly, he has already apologized for his mistake. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

This is not a apology.He says if sangat finds its wrong.

 I think you need to clarify regarding the description given in the you tube .I will quote here

"ਵਿਰੋਧੀ ਧਿਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਅਟੈਕ ਬਾਰੇ ਜੋ ਕਲਿਪ ਕੱਟ ਕੇ ਪਾਈ ਗਈ ਗ਼ਲਤ ਰੂਪ ਚ ਸੰਗਤ ਚ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕੀਤੀ https://youtu.be/B1040Pru6m8 ਉਸ ਲਈ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜੇ ਇਹ ਗ਼ਲਤ ਗੱਲ ਲੱਗੀ ਤਾਂ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਰੂਪ ਜਾਣਕੇ ਮੰਗੀ ਮਾਫ਼ੀ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤ ਅਗੇ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਾਲੀ ਗੱਲ ਲਈ ਪੰਜੇ ਤਖਤ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਤੋਂ ਮੁਆਫ਼ੀ ਮੰਗੀ ਅਤੇ ਸੰਗਤ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕੀਤੀ "

What he meant is whatever he said is correct but if sangat finds it objectionable. i will apologize but this incident happened. What nonsense is this.

Please clarify !!

1 minute ago, paapiman said:

Currently, we don't have any Panth Parvanith Akal Takht Maryada.

You can definitely add the works of Bhai saab Bhai Gurdas jee (Vaaran and Kabit savaiye) to the list. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Doesn't matter
It is still accepted by majority sikhs barring Taksali ,Deras.

49 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Firstly, mind your language when talking about a good Sikh preacher.

Why should  i mind my language.This guy says that Guru Gobind ordered  attack on Akal Takht .Isn't this a foolish argument by foolish man.

If we accept his logic Then why are we blaming Indian Government for the attack.RIDICULOUS

45 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Primary source of our gyan comes from Gubani, which includes Gurbanis from

• Sri Ad Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj
• Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib jee
• Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee

Then, we also have secondary sources:

• Rehatname (more than 10 in number)
• Hukamname

 

Bhul chuk maaf

That is your taksali based opinion .

I go by the panth pravanith akal takht mariyada .

Suprised bhai Gurdas Varan not included.

22 hours ago, tva prasad said:

22 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Don't put anyone on a pedestal. Respect anyone who helps you in any way to raise your surti, but don't put them on a pedestal.   Yes, gianni is not a brahmgyaani as brahmgyanee is a misused  term in my opinion.  Brahmgyanee is not referred to a jeev.    A jeev/manook with physical body comes to a life end.  Brahmygaani is an avastha of the mind. That mind sits in Prakash/turiya avastha all the while.  The Sukhmani sahib references are for the brahmgian state of mind and not a physical jeev.

 

What gyan do you expect when fools like him does a very ridiculous Katha.

This is a classical example of  hijacking of sikh teaching.they have reduced the sikh ideology to mythology just like hindu .

No wonder where our sikhi is heading if this is the quality of our katha vichar.

1 hour ago, angy15 said:

Brahmygaani is an avastha of the mind

Who is a Brahmgyani clearly defined  by Guruji as

ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥
ਮਨਿ ਸਾਚਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥
ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਪੇਖੈ ਏਕਸੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਲਛਣ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾਂ ੨੭੨

Meaning: ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਮੂੰਹੋਂ ਭੀ ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਇੱਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਤੇ ਭੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਹੋਰ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ,

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ ! ਉਹ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਦਕਾ ‘ਬ੍ਰਹਮਗਿਆਨੀ’ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

4 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Don't put anyone on a pedestal. Respect anyone who helps you in any way to raise your surti, but don't put them on a pedestal.   Yes, gianni is not a brahmgyaani as brahmgyanee is a misused  term in my opinion.  Brahmgyanee is not referred to a jeev.    A jeev/manook with physical body comes to a life end.  Brahmygaani is an avastha of the mind. That mind sits in Prakash/turiya avastha all the while.  The Sukhmani sahib references are for the brahmgian state of mind and not a physical jeev.

Now we should be very cautious of what type and from where the gyan we are getting from

Now as this being a Sikh forum so the primary source of our gyan should be coming from SGGS .Teachings of  Gurbani is universal and for the masses and in whatever avasthaa their mind is 

It should should be explained with Gurbani Framework and not adulterated from outside  with something which doesn't add any spritual nourishment like the video of "Oranges from the Heavens"