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http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...030&t=16030 There is an army of Shaheed Singhs that have been ordered by Guru Sahib to constantly protect Gurdwaras and Gursikhs. They are the special forces of Guru Sahib and completely one with him. They are very powerful and even greater than the Hindu gods who do not have as much power. The Shaheed Singhs dress in old Khalsa bana, either blue or sometimes white, and also carry many shastars. Although they usually go about in secret and cannot be seen, at times they make themselves visible. These Shaheed Singhs have been seen during the 1947 Partition, guarding Gurdwaras and at other times have helped Singhs protect Guru Granth Sahib jee. Bhai Soorat Singh was a Gursikh who even in 1949 used to do yatra of Hemkunt Sahib. He says that, “Every year I would go from Gobind Dham to Hemkunt Sahib and in the evening return back. I would do the bhog of a sehaj paath there in 15 or 16 days. When I would o paath there though, I wouldn’t speak but sometimes it seemed to me tha thte Gurdwara Sahib was filled with Singhs and sometimes there was no one. On the day of the bhog, I finished by saying a Fateh! And to my surprise, it was answered by 16 Singhs sitting in the sangat. Five or six of them were wearing blue clothes and the rest were wearing white. All had shastars. One Singh stood and said, “Bhai Sahib, do not doubt us. We are 16 Shaheed Singhs in this Gurdwara and many others also go around here.†Many times I would spend the night in the veranda and I would hear the keertan of Asa Dee Vaar. Once, at 3:15, I was sitting in the veranda when I saw a being riding on a white lion come, bathe in the sarovar and then ride off again on the lion.†The Shaheed Singhs also stay with Gursikhs at all times. During the time of Sant Attar Singh jee, it was seen that a Singh riding a horse would circumambulate Sant jee’s tent. The tent was on the banks of the Jehlum, and the horse would go on the three sides which were faced by land, but also on the fourth side which was the river Jehlum. The rider would yell out a jaikara as well. When Sant jee was asked about this, he said that Shaheed Singhs do come and protect Gursikhs but those that can see this should not tell others. In Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee’s time, Shaheed Singhs could sometimes be seen at the Dhaab he and other Singhs did naam abhyaas at.

why not? join bollywood and find out how that happens :P :D

I meant, how do you know that I haven't been hurt?

how do u know

hmmmm... Why do I get the feeling that someone has either been hurt in love, or is denying the probability of having fallen in love ?

Here is a dum quote I made once (yes trust me its my own) Both life and death are cruel. Life won't leave you when you want it to, and death always comes when you want to live.

hanji...

This is Naamdhari belief that Guru Gobind Singh Jee passed on Guruship. sab sikhan ko hukam hai guru maaneyo granth! Plus think about it yourself veerjee/bhenji. The one who sacrificed His everything, father, mother, sons, family, beloved Sikhs, how can we say/think that He would have fear of death and run away?

WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH I have edited some stuff I said in my previous posts in a fit of rage, and marked them as <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH>. I do not hold any grudge whatsoever against this forum or its moderating team. There are a number of members and moderators here who I love as my brothers and sisters, and I don't want to offend them by my stereotypical and generalized statements about the mods at this site. It was wrong on my part to feel that I have been discriminated against for being a member of another forum, and for those words, I sincerely apologize. WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH

WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH 2 amazing sites on Baba Nand Singh Jee that will take you by storm http://www.babanandsinghsahib.org/main.htm http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/main.htm WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH ps : karmjeet veerjee, please share more about Baba Nand Singh Jee with us

I guess we all feel it once in a while. But remember, quitting is not gonna sort it out. A Sikh's job is to fight and move on. So stand up and fight! And march on! Thats the Khalsa way!

WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH It exists very much. I have experienced it. I saw a picture when I was a Hindu and got bombed in my head. Thats the picture See it does exist! :wink: WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH

how about marriage for good and delicious indian food?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_925582,00050003.htm France's Sikhs want to meet Manmohan on turban issue Indo-Asian News Service Paris, August 3 Sikhs in France have sought an urgent meeting with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh over their dispute with the French government over allowing children to wear turbans in public schools. The managing committee of the Gurdwara Singh Sabha Paris has despatched a letter to the prime minister, urging his rapid intervention in the matter in order to ensure that Sikhs can continue to live honourably in France. In the letter, the community leaders have congratulated Manmohan Singh on becoming the first Sikh to occupy the highest job in India and expressed hope that being a Sikh himself, he would be able to feel the problems that the community has been having about wearing turbans here in France. "Since he himself wears a turban, he knows and understands how crucial it is for a Sikh to have his turban," say the members of the managing committee of the Gurdwara. And as schools in France are about to reopen in about three weeks, time is running short for the Sikh community. The new law will come into effect from the new term that begins in September and Sikh leaders in Paris say that they will feel much easier and comfortable once the French government clarifies the issue once and for all. "We just hope that the officials are not simply trying to buy some more time rather than look for a real solution that will allow Sikh children to keep their faith and also get educated here," says a member of the managing committee. The trouble for Sikhs does not end with the schools. In fact, they are forced to take their turbans off for any photographs for getting official French documents like the identity card or driving licence. "We are already facing a huge challenge in terms of getting the French administration to accept our photographs with the turbans. The new law can lead to a situation that will be extremely dangerous for the Sikh religion in France," says a Sikh who has been living here in France for the last 15 years. "I came to France at the height of the Punjab problem, thinking that I had come to the land of democracy, freedom and equality. But now I find that these kinds of laws are taking even the simplest of freedoms away from us. This is totally unacceptable," he adds. The community has already held demonstrations and several media conferences to highlight the issue and the importance of a turban for a Sikh. However, despite very sympathetic noises, nothing concrete has yet been achieved, the Sikh leaders say. So now they want to turn to the Indian government to help them overcome this problem. The Sikhs say they would like to send a delegation from Paris to New Delhi to brief the prime minister about the plight of the community in France and that they are optimistic he will act to protect the interests of the community.

http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/03/stories/2004080305111100.htm Government wants Golden Temple to be in World Heritage List By T.S. Subramanian Golden Temple CHENNAI, AUG. 2 . The Government of India has recommended to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) to include the Golden Temple at Amritsar, Punjab, in the World Heritage List. Prof. Enamul Haque, the one-man commission on behalf of the UNESCO, will visit the place this month to make his assessment. He will forward his recommendation, based on historical, cultural and architectural factors, to the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS)/ UNESCO. "I am looking forward to the mission to visit the Golden Temple, the Harmandir Sahib," he said on July 30, when he passed through Chennai to Colombo. "I have to study the papers on the Golden Temple," he added. In July this year, the UNESCO included the Brihadeesvarar temple at Gangaikondacholapuram in Perambalur district and the Airavatesvara temple at Darasuram in Thanjavur district, both in Tamil Nadu, in the World Heritage List of monuments and sites. The Brihadeesvarar temple in Thanjavur town was earlier included in the List. All the three temples are outstanding examples of Chola architecture and sculpture. The ICOMOS advises the UNESCO on the nomination of new monuments and sites to the World Heritage List and prescribes high standards for their preservation, restoration and management. Dr. Haque was the founder and Director-General of the Bangladesh National Museum and formerly Secretary-in-Charge, Ministry of Culture in the Bangladesh Government. He is now the Chairman and Academic Director, The International Centre for Study of Bengal Art, Dhaka. He knows Sanskrit and is a specialist in Buddhist Studies. He is also a specialist in Hindu sculptures and iconography in Bangladesh. According to Dr. Haque, the criterion for a monument to be included in the list was that it should have a buffer zone and a core zone. No industries should be put up around it. It should have clear approaches leading to it. "If you fulfil these conditions, then there is no difficulty in taking a decision," he said. 'Boost to tourism' On the benefits that would accrue if a monument or a site were included in the list, he said they would be preserved better than before. "The National Government will pay more attention to them. May be, the UNESCO will give more funds," he said. The recognition would promote research and tourism. Specialists from different countries would cooperate with one another in undertaking research and exchanging information on how to protect them. Even monuments built of stone decayed over a period of time due to various factors. "So, inclusion in the World Heritage List increases the scope for research and preservation of monuments," he said.

http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?I...&Full~Story He chatted in sister-in-law's name to get her entangled in the sleazy 'web Wednesday August 4 2004 00:49 IST CHENNAI: One evening, Veni (name changed on request) was expecting a call from her husband. The phone rang, but it was not her husband. “When can I come? How much do you charge for an hour,†asked a lecherous tone on the other end. A shaken Veni banged the phone down. It was just the beginning. She was hounded by many more calls. Summoning courage, she asked one caller what exactly he wanted. The caller said he had seen her photograph and a soliciting message on Yahoo's profiles. A shocked Veni confided in her husband and they got in touch with a friend who was a software professional. With his help they contacted Yahoo, and her profile was erased. However, it was not the end of the problems for them. The callers then called to claim Veni was chatting with them and that she herself had given them her number. At their wit's end, the couple contacted the Cyber Crime Cell of Chennai police. “Armed with just the Yahoo Messenger user-ID, we set out to nab the culprit,†says S Balu, Assistant Commissioner, Cyber Crime. The cybercops tracked down the terminal from which the miscreant was chatting in the name of Veni. The result was a surprise for the police. It was the same address from which the complaint was filed - Veni's house. Plainclothesmen were sent to Veni's house and there in the first floor, they found her husband's younger brother, all of 17 years, chatting under her name. It was the teenager's way of getting even with Veni over a misunderstanding in the family. Since it became a family affair, the couple did not want to press charges and the youngster was let off. In a similar case, a former classmate of an MBA graduate in Chennai had splurged her photographs along with inviting messages on the Internet. “In most of these cases, the culprits are either well-known to the victim or a relative,†says Balu. These isolated incidents of personal vendetta are only a part of crimes committed in the vast Worldwide Web. There are other cases like hacking, spam and online credit card frauds. In Chennai alone, in the past one year, there have been 38 petitions of obscene messages, 11 of cheating, six of threats and six petitions of cheating filed. But is the city's Cyber Crime Cell well-equipped to handle it? No. All that they have at their disposal is a team comprising one Assistant Commissioner, one Inspector, two Sub-Inspectors and two technicians, who are engineering graduates. Did we mention the solitary terminal that they are equipped with? The Cyber Crime Cell does not even have a functional cyber lab, leave alone a full-fledged one. Apart from the e-mail tracking and a few other basic software, the police has nothing of note to tackle cyber crime. “We have requested for more equipment and facilities,†is the official line. The cell came into being in February 2003. Till now there have been close to 80 petitions. “Out of these, we have filed cases on 13 occasions. The rest, we found, were biased and motivated ones by either disgruntled employees or former employers,†says Balu. “Even though the police are ill-equipped,†Balu maintains, “that they have cracked most cases and did not press charges as the culprit and victim were known to each other, either by acquaintance or by relation. They do not want their family's reputation to be sullied and hence they withdraw the complaint,†he says. A major problem in cyber crime is that unless action is taken fast, it becomes difficult. The Internet is a huge maze and data is lost without a trace within a matter of days. “If there is more awareness among the public, we are sure we can do a good job if we get all the equipment,†an officer said. Whatever the case, one may rest assured that it would be a tough call for the Cyber Crime Cell if any major cyber crime happened in the city.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Thanks for the "enlightenment" By the way I have nowhere expressed any desire to have any group unbanned by any government, so whats with all the "talk to the authorities" ? Gurujee can make anything happen, and its only a matter of time. All I have done is tried to avoid any ninda without knowing the truth, thats all. How does that make me a supporter I don't understand. This is probably the 4th time I am saying it. Appreciate the rights and priviledges offered. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

Prabh bhaawe bin saas te raakhai If the Lord wills, He sustains life even without breath ~ Sukhmani Sahib Jisda Sahib Dhada Howe Tis Nu Maar Na Sakke Koy

Fine! Have your last word and close this thread. How fair! Didn't know a few facts could bother so much. And no I aint scared if thats what the warning was intended for as I have said plain and clear and repeatedly that I am not supporting any group anywhere. Jis Da Sahib Dhadha Howe, Tis Nu Maar Na Sakke Koy. Victory on an online forum does not guarantee victory in the dargar of Akal Purkh and thats what matters. <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH >. Funny how I was the one keeping cool inspite of being "condemned to hell" and the warnings are also issued against me. Well done! I understand your legal concerns regarding certain banned organizations, but no one is here supporting them, only questioning an individual's supposedly false statements about them, not to forget a shameful show of hypocrisy by pointing out a Shaheed Singh as having 2 wives, yet the member himself being a supporter of polygamy in another thread (this too was pointed out by other members and not me). If that goes against your freedom of speech policy, thats just too bad. I am just too surprised and didn't expect this at a forum that claims to be following a "live and let live" motto giving "freedom of speech" to all, rather blames other "fanatic" forums for being hardliners. anyways no hard feelings from my side Gurujee bless you all and good luck sorry for expressing myself using the "freedom of speech" priviledge. <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH>. bhul chuk maaf if I sounded like a moorakh coz thats what I am waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ps : <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- And your freedom of speech is still there and most of the members with sane mind will be able to see it.

Why the Bhai in quotes? You have doubts that he was a pooran GurSikh? You have made ur entire argument pointless right in the beginning, sorry to say. Unfortunately the laws don't apply to BNP/NF of UK and KKK in USA. It applies to Babbars because they went against the government thats America's pet (the Indian government). The Hindustan Socialist Association started by shaheed bhagat singh was the same for the British. But today Indians are proud of it. The same shall someday be true for these Singhs. I have mentioned in 2 of my initial posts that I am not vouching for any group. Also I have said that a few bad apples being the reason to label an entire group is irrational and immature. Plus the Wahabis u refer to believe in killing themselves as well as 50 other innocents. For them anyone belonging to a set of beliefs different to their own is an enemy. I don't think u read my post about Hindus joining Babbars as well. What was their interest? Why did they have to do it? They had all of Hindu India for them, so why bother about Khalistan for Sikhs? Think again dear one! if Babbars were all that hateful killers, i doubt that wud be the case. The CIA admits it trained saddam and osama...it has been said publicly on the news...so now are they themselves making a fool of themselves? by the way i never heard of an organization called M16..i thought it was a machine gun... dunno bout others but its my nature to do that...and i m glad u laughed... Again as i said...the groups were heavily infiltrated by agents...some of them who were totally rehitdhari and nitnemi...it was impossible to believe they could be traitors...if they do stuff like that, how can u call the genuine ones who started out as proper freedom fighters as evil? i never stopped u from eating chicken, did i? u are free to eat anything u want...unfortunately i dont own a fast food joint or i'd have invited u myself personally... innocents like vaidya, lalit makhan, indra gandhi? oh ok...maybe i read the wrong history...well they got what they asked for...the Sikh history i read makes it clear that anyone who desecrated darbar sahib was avenged...but oh well...all dont hold the same regard for darbar sahib sadly... that makes the entire Sikh contribution towards the Indian freedom struggle look like a big joke. You ready to back that up? And the brain has a lot more cells to see right from wrong. It is unfortunate that some people want to follow the government propaganda against Sikhs and make martyrs look like terrorists and many fall prey to it. And u are no one to decide that. True...it goes on a lot in western countries... Thanks for the ninda...thanx for ur concern bout me going to hell, but isn't that Guruji's business to save His Sikhs? also, what makes u think the panth right now is not real? how and who are u to say its fake? or is it the lies that are being fed now by condemning the shaheeds to cover up something else? lemme not go there... are u always like this? i was told that the day u get bothered will never come...sadly i proved it wrong...oh well...we all have our own drawbacks, don't we?

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh shaka, its a documented fact that the Indian authorities have done a good job to malign the name of Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar. You are comparing totally different organizations here. Other than the Babbars, the others are "government sponsored terrorists". The only reason Babbars are called the same is because their fight was against the government in power. Guru Hargobind Jee and Guru Gobind Singh Jee were fugitives for the Mughals. Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Shaheed Udham Singh were traitors for the British empire. The Babbars, similarly, are kharkoos for the Indian government. Times have changed, names have changed, governments in power have changed, but the struggle-filled spirit of the Khalsa is the same! The funny thing is that none of the genuine freedom fighting groups ever claimed responsibility and actually condemned these acts. So is to not raise the sword in the face of oppression (as a last option). No. The only "crime" of the Babbars was that they were Sikhs who fought against the attrocities committed on the Sikhs. The Indian police was doing their job of oppressing, and the RSS as we know is bent on proving Sikhs to be Hindus, not to mention how badly they are and will fail. I don't think anyone here can foresee who went where after death. And just to let you know, the ones who have actually seen the afterlife and written about it (like Bhaisahib Bhai Randhir Singh) were freedom fighters themselves. The difference was that they were dealing with the British who were somewhat less barbaric as compared to the rulers of India in the 80s, and so they didn't really have to "sort out" Panthic dushts as the Babbars did. And as for hell, thats reserved for these very same dushts. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

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waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Hanji I did see that video and it almost threw me off my chair!! I don't know if that was "BIR RAS" or what, but still its not a proper statement and I am not vouching for Bagri. I am not voting for any particular group either. My only point is that just because of a few bad apples its improper to label an entire group as evil and forget how many Panthic dushts they sorted out. As far as Bagri's statement is concerned, here is one scenario that comes to mind. Say person A and B get into an argument, and A threatens to kill B. Later on some third person called person C finds out, and uses this opportunity and kills B. Now who will be blamed? Obviously A because he has openly threatened to kill B! And C goes scott free! This is what I am presuming. Someone claimed to kill a huge number of people of a particular community, and MAY BE someone else used this statement/event and went ahead and did what they had to do, leaving the one who was loud enough to be the one blamed. This is just an assumption. Also, nothing solid has been proved yet against the 2 Singhs. bhul chuk maaf waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ps : The topic has moved from a few sadistic American troops to Babbars.

Guilty until proven innocent! sadly!