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May 12

On 5/10/2024 at 10:09 AM, ImReal said:

Bhagti is the path of Love. Real Bhagti is the path of the Lover/ Spiritual Warrior. What matters the most is Love. Experiences come and go, it's normal- they come to show us that we're on the right path and to keep going. The Bhagti (Lovers) path never ends- it continues into eternity. The Gyan is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji- the words/ Teachings in it came straight from our Gurus mouths. When you read it, see which Guru has written the passage you read and believe that it's them there in that moment- teaching you personally- speaking the words to you. When you think of the Satgurus- they sense it and their presence is with you. They never actually died- they just continued and are still around.

You're not alone, we are not alone. God runs through our veins, His power/ Being is what wakes us up in the morning, keeps our heart beating, He's our food, our water, the trees, the earth. He's all pervading and we only exist, live, breathe by His Grace. Without Him the Khel would shut down. We delude ourselves and ignore this fact/ His Presence- although Gurbani clearly teaches us this. Accept that He is everyone, everything, everywhere, He's every word said by everyone, every thought, action and you'll feel more at peace. He is the King, Lord and Master of this earth and all humans in it- noone can override this fact. So bow and Love Him. Serve Him with the naam- by applying Gurbani to your everyday practical life- being a good soul, doing bandgi and good deeds.

Don't be upset, have faith and keep going- He's is there and sees you, I assure you. God bless you.

This bought a tear to my eye.. but in a good way. Thank you for this.

May 9

Read old posts on this forum and there are members that didnt even want amrit ras and still got it. Some didnt even like the taste and wanted it gone. They lost it and then got it again. I wanted it so badly though and its taken away. How am I supposed to make any sense of that?

I never expected bhagti path to be easy. I never expected something to be given and taken away for no reason either.

May 9

Yep Ive heard similar on another video too.

I guess because I tried so hard for it and then finally got it, I was so happy. I cant actually say in words the joy I felt. Then in order not to lose it, I started trying even harder in my bhagti. Then all of a sudden its just gone. How then do I convince myself that Waheguru still wants me follow the bhagti path. Gurbani says Waheguru loves us all. I believe that but in my disheartened state I can’t seem to convince myself thats its true.

In my original (1st) post above I spoke about some of my obstacles and them exact thoughts have flooded my mind again. When he is inside listening and watching everything. He knows how much I craved for this ras, to then take it away and watch my state, how is that a loving father?

Bhul chuk maaf.

May 7

So last week I started getting amrit ras. My mouth was sweet all week. I was so happy I cant explain as I’ve wanted this for so long. I checked with mu teacher who confirmed it was amrit ras. To make sure that nothing goes wrong, I increased my bhagti time, started waking up even earlier and generally started putting in more effort.

Now this week, since sunday, nothing, all taste gone. I’ve been thinking all weekend what have I done wrong, why is it gone but cant make any sense of it. To say I’m upset, deflated or even heartbroken is probably an understatement. I was so happy when I finally got the taste, I just feel completely deflated now. If I had done something wrong to lose it then I would understand but I started putting in even more effort..

March 28

Why do we give the time of day to members like Chintamatkaro? Hes a flippin troll spreading misinformation about Sikhi. Why is he not banned yet?

Mods??

I’m all for people being able to give their opinions but this is a bit too much.

March 6

Wjkk wjkf

Just wanted to share some of my experiences/issues I have faced on my journey on this path. Maybe others have faced similar, maybe this can help others or responses may help me.

Judging others - this has been a big weakness of mine. Not so much friends but more family, especially those who also do sangat. Even though I was taught from day one not to look left or right and just focus on myself, I got caught up in exactly that. Maybe due to family issues, I would start to judge people on what they were doing. I couldnt understand how someone could gain spiritual gifts despite doing some of the stuff they were doing. I would then compare that with myself and think ‘Im better than that person yet they appear more advanced on their journey’ This is a big weakness of mine and something I have and still am working very hard to overcome.

Teacher - In the past, way before I started this journey, I lacked some self confidence. My relationship with my folks was tricky, a lot of give and take. I grew up feeling that I probably didnt get the love i wanted so when anyone else showed me affection, I doubted their intentions and thought they had an ulterior motive. Whilst I dont think my teacher has a motive, Ive often felt that he doesnt like me. No real reason for this but its an old problem and has stretched to various important people in my life. I know this isnt true of him as a Gurmukh has no hate for anyone but just another example of how our mind can go wild with thoughts.

Waheguru - same as above. Believe it or not there have been many times when I have though Waheguru also does not like me. Especially when as above others mention their experiences and I then get down myself. I think I’m trying so hard yet I’m not progressing as fast as I want. I also know that they key is to enjoy the journey. Put in the effort and leave the rest to Waheguru. He isnt unfair and is always watching and listening.

These are just some of the issues I have faced, may add more when I can think of them. Anyone else feel free to add tour own experiences.

Hopefully I will be able to look back at this one day and smile because I have come out the other end.

Wjkk Wjkf.

February 23

17 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

How many will remain muslim throughout their lives. Nobody counts how many leave islam.

I would also be interested to know that. There must be some data somewhere showing how many people leave Islam

July 26, 2023

5 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

At work, the Bhagti program seems excessive, the leadership seems a bit emotional and inconsistent, theres existing rumors, and the fear of recording...

Remember there is a difference between damaging and non damaging cults.

Run them and Sikhi through this guide yourself. You'll find we are benevolent and only share some overlap in my opinion.

But you can see that because we have some overlap if you change what we're supposed to be about at all we can and do sometimes fall on the other side in small pockets.

https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/

Bhagti proramme- originally started over 3 years ago. Started at 6 hours per day and now at 120+. So it was a gradual increase. Btw this was for people who wanted to donit, no one was forced.

leadership - bhai saab has been consisten with everything from Swindon days going back 24 years. Maybe I have not fully understood your point though so apologies in advance.

Existing rumours - agree there are plenty but not everyone thought Guru Nanak Dev ji or Guru Gobind Singh ji were satguru, yet they are. My point is someone will always speak negatively. Many of the ones that do are either ones that have never been or ex sangat that may have gone for the wrong reasons. I know some personally.

Recordings - bhai saab has explained with gurbani quotes the punishment that awaits those who talk in sangat. Recording is the same. We wouldnt record a judge in court, why do we need to record in a gurdwara? Surely the aim is to pay full attention to the teachings. Also many record and then use that to preach outside to others. This without them having done the practical. Real life examples have been shared by sangat. The result is leading people incorrectly as you dont have the full knowledge yourself

July 26, 2023

I think a cult would be where the leader discourages you from leaving that place and going to another. Bhai saab defo does not do that, infact he has always said dont actively encourage people to leave sangat wherever they are currently and come to GMGG. Because if they dont like it, they will have broken away from their original sangat and also Slough. Once broken off completely it is always harder to start again. Wherever you are just make sure you learn, apply and do the practical

July 26, 2023

A few people I know use this site. Not kirpans but Ive seen these in gatre

https://www.coldsteel-uk.com

July 25, 2023

6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Waheguru Ji

By chance are you still recording these divans? Where can we here them?

There are some older divans on Youtube but mostly from Slough. I dont think there are any from Swindon, a few also from Southall and Birmingham.

its usually the new years diwans which are uploaded to Youtube. I think its mostly because bhai saab encourages people to come into sangat and listen as the full benefit is there.

July 24, 2023

Pretty much as Sat veer has covered. Only thing I would add is that the more in depth stuff is still taught but is more geared towards the bhagti students that are putting in some serious hours. If the deeper stages were taught and spoke about in sangat, it would probably go over most peoples heads as they are not far enough on their spiritual journey. There are bhagti rooms away from the main darbar where some are getting in 120+ hours per week of bhagti and there Bhai saab will teach the more in depth stages.

I will also say not to focus too much on who is going and who is not and why some started and have now stopped. Many start and then fall away or maybe they find another avenue that suits them better. This is a personal journey and I find its better to just focus on yourself. Best way is to go and see what it’s like, you may enjoy it or you may feel its not for you and someone else does a better job of explaining.

Good luck.

July 18, 2023

15 hours ago, Guest Daras tere ki pyas man said:

how can I contact them? I feel empty inside. Please help me

Where are you based? U.K, U.S?

May 22, 2023

8 hours ago, Guest When will I get result? said:

I am doing meditation since childhood, improved a lot in my life that meditation has become the most important routine in my life, slowly and gradually i have reached this stage, focusing on Shri Anhad naad for more than two years but no result is being found. How will I get the pure sounds through my ears- i know this sound is already present in our body and we have to be attentive to hear it. doing it a lot but ..... will i be able to hear it ?

Maybe I have misread your question so apologies if I get this wrong. You say you have been focussing on anhad naad for more than 2 years but then say when will you hear it? Do you currently hear it or not?

From my own experience, I’ve been guilty of getting caught up in this same issue myself. Thinking why am I not getting X, Y or Z. This without fully appreciating what I do have.

I would look at it like exercise. You maybe looking to lose weight so run every day and keep a good diet. You look at yourself in the mirror everyday but see no change, thats because you live with your body. However if you took a photo at day 1 and day 60, you would definitely see the change. Its the same when you’re on this path. We may not necessarily see or feel progress but we have no idea how much mel (dirt) is being washed and cleaned off our mind.

The best thing I can say is carry on putting the effort in, its the only thing you can control. Leave the rest upto Waheguru. He will give you what you deserve at the right time. Hes inside us all watching and listening 24/7. He wont get it wrong.

You will go mad if you keep thinking I havent got this or that. Ive been there myself and still occasionally slip up. Do sangat, listen to katha and keep at it. This is a game you play until your last breath so we’re in it for the long haul.

All the best.

May 7, 2023

Glad you enjoyed it. You have pretty much summed up what happens every week.

Bhai saab has been away for a couple weeks. The gurmukh that did the diwan in english is bhai saabs son. I would encourage you to keep attending if you can as listening to bhai saabs diwan live in person is a completely different experience to listening/watching on tv. Especially when the simran is increased by a few decibels!

May 5, 2023

It is beneficial but the important this to remember is you get out what you out into it.

You can go one of 2 ways when you’re there. You can either keep yourself to yourself and do what you’re supposed to do and get the most out of it as there is a lot to learn.

Or you can make plenty of friends and get involved in idle chit chat and end up wasting a lot of time.

The facility, teaching etc is excellent but ultimately its down to the individual what they want to get out of it.

May 4, 2023

Yep. Attend every week, have been doing since it opened. The saturday simran, 1st saturday of every month is really good. 8 hours in total at 2 hour intervals. Bhai saab will do some with the sangar and explain the importance of doing simran in sad sangat.

They have the facility to stay overnight for sangat. Rooms and all facilities are extremely clean and comfortable. All they say is for you to do abhiyas and no idle talk.

Summer camp is 1st week of august. Google the website and it has more info. Really beneficial camps. 4 days long, simran and katha all day.

The sunday diwans are amazing too.

April 13, 2023

20 hours ago, lostsikh said:

I am a disgusting human being i have even looked at men walking down the street and finding myself attracted to them. I am a big filthy excuse of a human.

I dont want to jump to conclusions but sounds like you’re just trolling. Reason is because every post you come out with something new you are doing.

First it was porn, then webcam, then hookers, then death videos, then nail polish, liking men etc etc.

Its your life and upto you what you do but dont do it in Sikhi saroop. It is an honour to have Amrit and be in full saroop, dont take the piss out of it. Our father Guru Gobind Singh ji sacrificed everything for Sikh, dont drag it through the mud.

if you really need help then there is plenty available and focus on fixing yourself up. Once sorted then you can think about amrit and everything else.

April 13, 2023

18 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Read up properly!!!

It should be dissolved in fat (i.e. coconut oil or ghee or butter with milk) and have some freshly crushed black pepper corns in it too.

This stuff works wonders.

True but hes 3 so it was hard enough just giving him a small amount lol!

When I take it, I’ll make sure to drink it correctly with ghee/milk etc

April 12, 2023

Ive used this for my young son as he had some internal swelling. Its been brilliant. Will order some for myself too.
For him, we just crushed up half a tab and gave it to him in a bit of water so not to dilute it too much

https://www.rightnutri.co.uk/lamberts-turmeric-10-000mg-120-tabs?variant=1255&gclid=CjwKCAjwrdmhBhBBEiwA4Hx5g_tBeofOP2LPuMROpdD-G7uKHNCSXl1EPaEUdN9AtFOHgz39cK-zbRoCs-AQAvD_BwE

April 8, 2023

I would say the same most likely applies for jhatka.

April 8, 2023

Out of interest why do you think it would make any difference reciting a prayer when performing jhatka?

April 4, 2023

I will probably be in the minority but I would take out the stupid culture stuff completely. All bhangra/dance etc gone. Lots of proper parchar about naam, shabad. Get the kids into it from the start, plenty of martial arts/physical training.

We dont become lions by shouting about it at the top of our voices drunk in a dance hall. Lions/warriors are created with the right training and right parchar from the beginning. Guru Gobind Singh ji did the same.

Problem with the culture stuff is, you say we can keep this because its harmless, thennit expands, before you know it, you have a big problem. You keep bhangra, then you mix alcohol with it. Then you get the singers singing stupid gangster crap that encourages guns and drugs, then before long you are where we are now in Punjab.

If we are going to go down the same route, may as well stay where we are, no need to create a new homeland.

March 30, 2023

March 30, 2023

Jap naam veer. That is all the advice I can give. I used to work the doors years ago, my entire life was based around drink/drugs/women for a good few years. I lived on my own which meant there were zero restrictions. You can probably imagine where my mind was at all the time.

Then started on this path and all I can say is when you jap naam, everything starts to fall into place. Dont force anything, everything happens at its own pace. Just chant and take each day at a time. If you make a mistake, no problem, do an ardas to Waheguru, ask for forgiveness and carry on. Slowly but surely all these negative thoughts will stop. Naam is too powerful, nothing negative can stand in its way, it just takes time and effort on your part.

Thats my experience anyway.

All the best.

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