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Why do we give the time of day to members like Chintamatkaro? Hes a flippin troll spreading misinformation about Sikhi. Why is he not banned yet?

Mods??

I’m all for people being able to give their opinions but this is a bit too much. 

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Just wanted to share some of my experiences/issues I have faced on my journey on this path. Maybe others have faced similar, maybe this can help others or responses may help me.

Judging others - this has been a big weakness of mine. Not so much friends but more family, especially those who also do sangat. Even though I was taught from day one not to look left or right and just focus on myself, I got caught up in exactly that. Maybe due to family issues, I would start to judge people on what they were doing. I couldnt understand how someone could gain spiritual gifts despite doing some of the stuff they were doing. I would then compare that with myself and think ‘Im better than that person yet they appear more advanced on their journey’ This is a big weakness of mine and something I have and still am working very hard to overcome.

Teacher - In the past, way before I started this journey, I lacked some self confidence. My relationship with my folks was tricky, a lot of give and take. I grew up feeling that I probably didnt get the love i wanted so when anyone else showed me affection, I doubted their intentions and thought they had an ulterior motive. Whilst I dont think my teacher has a motive, Ive often felt that he doesnt like me. No real reason for this but its an old problem and has stretched to various important people in my life. I know this isnt true of him as a Gurmukh has no hate for anyone but just another example of how our mind can go wild with thoughts.

Waheguru - same as above. Believe it or not there have been many times when I have though Waheguru also does not like me. Especially when as above others mention their experiences and I then get down myself. I think I’m trying so hard yet I’m not progressing as fast as I want. I also know that they key is to enjoy the journey. Put in the effort and leave the rest to Waheguru. He isnt unfair and is always watching and listening.

These are just some of the issues I have faced, may add more when I can think of them. Anyone else feel free to add tour own experiences. 
 

Hopefully I will be able to look back at this one day and smile because I have come out the other end.

Wjkk Wjkf.

Pretty much as Sat veer has covered. Only thing I would add is that the more in depth stuff is still taught but is more geared towards the bhagti students that are putting in some serious hours. If the deeper stages were taught and spoke about in sangat, it would probably go over most peoples heads as they are not far enough on their spiritual journey. There are bhagti rooms away from the main darbar where some are getting in 120+ hours per week of bhagti and there Bhai saab will teach the more in depth stages.

I will also say not to focus too much on who is going and who is not and why some started and have now stopped. Many start and then fall away or maybe they find another avenue that suits them better. This is a personal journey and I find its better to just focus on yourself. Best way is to go and see what it’s like, you may enjoy it or you may feel its not for you and someone else does a better job of explaining.

Good luck.

8 hours ago, Guest When will I get result? said:

I am doing meditation since childhood, improved a lot in my life that meditation has become the most important routine in my life, slowly and gradually i have reached this stage, focusing on Shri Anhad naad for more than two years but no result is being found. How will I get the pure sounds through my ears- i know this sound is already present in our body and we have to be attentive to hear it. doing it a lot but ..... will i be able to hear it ?

Maybe I have misread your question so apologies if I get this wrong. You say you have been focussing on anhad naad for more than 2 years but then say when will you hear it? Do you currently hear it or not?

From my own experience, I’ve been guilty of getting caught up in this same issue myself. Thinking why am I not getting X, Y or Z. This without fully appreciating what I do have. 

I would look at it like exercise. You maybe looking to lose weight so run every day and keep a good diet. You look at yourself in the mirror everyday but see no change, thats because you live with your body. However if you took a photo at day 1 and day 60, you would definitely see the change. Its the same when you’re on this path. We may not necessarily see or feel progress but we have no idea how much mel (dirt) is being washed and cleaned off our mind.

The best thing I can say is carry on putting the effort in, its the only thing you can control. Leave the rest upto Waheguru. He will give you what you deserve at the right time. Hes inside us all watching and listening 24/7. He wont get it wrong.

You will go mad if you keep thinking I havent got this or that. Ive been there myself and still occasionally slip up. Do sangat, listen to katha and keep at it. This is a game you play until your last breath so we’re in it for the long haul.

All the best.

Glad you enjoyed it. You have pretty much summed up what happens every week.

Bhai saab has been away for a couple weeks. The gurmukh that did the diwan in english is bhai saabs son. I would encourage you to keep attending if you can as listening to bhai saabs diwan live in person is a completely different experience to listening/watching on tv. Especially when the simran is increased by a few decibels! 

It is beneficial but the important this to remember is you get out what you out into it.

You can go one of 2 ways when you’re there. You can either keep yourself to yourself and do what you’re supposed to do and get the most out of it as there is a lot to learn.

Or you can make plenty of friends and get involved in idle chit chat and end up wasting a lot of time.

The facility, teaching etc is excellent but ultimately its down to the individual what they want to get out of it.

Yep. Attend every week, have been doing since it opened. The saturday simran, 1st saturday of every month is really good. 8 hours in total at 2 hour intervals. Bhai saab will do some with the sangar and explain the importance of doing simran in sad sangat.

They have the facility to stay overnight for sangat. Rooms and all facilities are extremely clean and comfortable. All they say is for you to do abhiyas and no idle talk.

Summer camp is 1st week of august. Google the website and it has more info. Really beneficial camps. 4 days long, simran and katha all day.

The sunday diwans are amazing too.

20 hours ago, lostsikh said:

 

I am a disgusting human being i have even looked at men walking down the street and finding myself attracted to them. I am a big filthy excuse of a human. 

I dont want to jump to conclusions but sounds like you’re just trolling. Reason is because every post you come out with something new you are doing.

First it was porn, then webcam, then hookers, then death videos, then nail polish, liking men etc etc.

Its your life and upto you what you do but dont do it in Sikhi saroop. It is an honour to have Amrit and be in full saroop, dont take the piss out of it. Our father Guru Gobind Singh ji sacrificed everything for Sikh, dont drag it through the mud.

if you really need help then there is plenty available and focus on fixing yourself up. Once sorted then you can think about amrit and everything else.

I will probably be in the minority but I would take out the stupid culture stuff completely. All bhangra/dance etc gone. Lots of proper parchar about naam, shabad. Get the kids into it from the start, plenty of martial arts/physical training.

We dont become lions by shouting about it at the top of our voices drunk in a dance hall. Lions/warriors are created with the right training and right parchar from the beginning. Guru Gobind Singh ji did the same.

Problem with the culture stuff is, you say we can keep this because its harmless, thennit expands, before you know it, you have a big problem. You keep bhangra, then you mix alcohol with it. Then you get the singers singing stupid gangster crap that encourages guns and drugs, then before long you are where we are now in Punjab. 
 

If we are going to go down the same route, may as well stay where we are, no need to create a new homeland. 

I agree that we should have some basic knowledge on who was who. Where I live in Punjab, we have a mandir directly opposite out house. About 100 yards down the road we have a Gurdwara. When my grandma was alive she would go to the mandir everyday hut not the Gurdwara. When I asked her why she would say that Mata is for everyone. Mata as in mata laxmi/durga etc. I was young and had very little knowledge but still argued that there was a huge difference between our Gurus and the Hindu demigods. However maybe due to blind faith and or lack of knowledge, she never believed that and neither did any of the others Sikhs that went to the mandir daily.

Even now if you ask many Sikhs, they will say Shiv, Vishhnu and Brahma are the form of God when clearly they are not.