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I agree that we should have some basic knowledge on who was who. Where I live in Punjab, we have a mandir directly opposite out house. About 100 yards down the road we have a Gurdwara. When my grandma was alive she would go to the mandir everyday hut not the Gurdwara. When I asked her why she would say that Mata is for everyone. Mata as in mata laxmi/durga etc. I was young and had very little knowledge but still argued that there was a huge difference between our Gurus and the Hindu demigods. However maybe due to blind faith and or lack of knowledge, she never believed that and neither did any of the others Sikhs that went to the mandir daily.

Even now if you ask many Sikhs, they will say Shiv, Vishhnu and Brahma are the form of God when clearly they are not.

This whole game makes you laugh sometimes. I have found recently that some if the thoughts I get are pretty wild. Some have nothing to do with me and dont affect me directly but I still follow that thought and get myself into a state. Instead of focussing on the shabad and just listening to that, I follow the thought and get so tangled up in it wasting precious swaas.

After a day or two I realise that thought process was pointless but then a few days later I’ll do the exact same thing again!

10 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

The sampradays are well established institutions that are hundredths of years old headed by sants, sadhu, brahmgyanies and jathedhars.  Should we not have high expectations from these mahapurukhs and sampradays because they have shakti?  

Kathavachaks are always telling us these miracle stories.  So, should we not expect sants to get rid of all panthic problems by their shakti and ardas?

How do we reconcile the fact kathavachak tell us these karamat stories all the time but in reality the panthic problems keep getting worse? 
Should we lower our expectations from sants and sampradays?
 

I have always believed our history gives us the answers to all our questions. If sants/sadhus were to solve all issues with their powers, it would go against everything our gurus taught us. Guru Gobind Singh ji did not save his own sons because he said what was happening was the hukam of akal purakh. We read stories of the Ramayan and Mahabharat where warriors were able to vanquish thousands of others in a matter of minutes with their powers. Guru Gobind Singh came here as satguru, if he wanted he could have destroyed the moghuls and anyone else within a blink of an eye by himself. Now to know what the hukam is, gurbani emphasises merging with the shabad so you can find out yourself how to live within his hukam.

I also agree that we need to look at ourselves first and see what are we doing for the panth before pointing fingers at others. Maharaj has gives us everything, why cant we train, learn martial arts and do what puratan Sikhs did? We hear stories of Baba Deep Singh carrying his head on one hand and fighting with the other at 75 year old. Ever thought how he was able to do this? We are able to do these things ourselves if we had the same love for Sikhi. 

Ive always had respect for Sant Jarnail Singh and what he did but when I hear people saying he needs to come back for the kaum, I think to myself, but what is wrong with us? Why cant we carry the fight and do something ourselves instead of pointing fingers at others or wishing other Singhs could come back from the dead?

38 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Tell us what they have going on please. 

So they have the usual which you would expect all gurdwaras to have, punjabi and music classes. Difference is they link everything to the mind. They go to great lengths to explain the journey of the mind according to SGGS. 

They also have gatka, netball, football classes. These are usually friday evenings when you would normally see the youth out on the streets up to no good.

Free bricklaying, plastering, carpentry courses for anyone who wants to join. All city and guilds approved. Also media studies courses. This is in the Refresh centre within the gurdwara.

Sikh art and exhibition gallery within the gurdwara in collaboration with Kanwar Singhs paintings. Again, they have explained all the paintings from the view of the mind.

Rekindle. A service which is open to all those families that are experiencing issues regarding grooming of their children. The gurdwara has invested heavily in courses and work closely with the police and council so that everything is done properly. They have worked with countless families in bringing young kids mainly girls back to their families who may have gone off with muslim boys.

They have just opened a new school which is for girls where they will teach them about Sikhi. Both history and the real message of Gurbani from age 4. So when they are at an older age, they are less likely to go off the rails.

They have 2 camps each year, summer and Christmas time for 4-5 days. Separate camps for children split by age where again they teach about the Shabad and how important it is to get there. A massive emphasis on history and what our shaheed Singhs, Gurus have done for us. 
 

They have a theatre within the gurdwara where some sevadars will act out plays at certain times of the year eg Vaisakhi, gurpurbs where they will pick a story and act it out but again link it to the mind.

I dont know where you’re from brother but last year they had the journey of the mind exhibition at Birmingham library for a week which attracted people from all faiths where again the focus was about the mind. Next stop I believe is London but I dont know the dates yet.

There are many other projects being worked on but I cant currently say due to early stages.

Sangat come from all over the world to stay and do bhagti. Some for 6 months, some for a year, some more and some less. You get a room to stay, (shared) clothes are washed and ironed for you, clean shower facilities, only condition is you stay and do simran. No idle gossip.

The thing is, everything is done by sevadars and no one is paid. Bhai Saab does akath katha every sunday and focusses purely on the message of Gurbani. Why are we here and where do we have to get to and how do we get there. No hidden agendas, no committee, no special treatment. You do the practical and watch your life change.

Guru Maneyo Granth Gurdwara in slough probably do the most of any gurdwara I have been to throughout my life. 

You name it, they probably do it and more.

On 3/15/2022 at 5:17 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

I wouldn't hold my breath, but I like the way you think. Would be great if so. 

DefInitely would be good and an early sign that the new govt means what it says when it talks about cleaning up corruption/injustice. 
 

i dont know how the whole political scene out there works, whether its uptoo Punjab govt to release him or upto Delhi. If its controlled by Punjab then its a good early opportunity for the govt to make a good impression. 

On 1/27/2022 at 1:21 PM, Sat1176 said:

 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.

In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.

Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?

Something like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Listening to Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana on the live classes. He says when doing simran jn the morning not to go into sunn. Listen to the shabad, if/when you feel like you maybe entering sunn then start antargat simran and that will help. Afternoon/evening time he says its fine to listen to the shabad and go into sunn. Same as what Bhai Amrik Singh Shadihari says on his telegram group

4 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Tohana Channel and Gurmat Meditation seem to have differing views on Golden Prakash. 

I personally believe Golden Prakash is right since Baba Nand Singh Ji sponsored/ promoted s Golden Saroop of Guru Nanak Sahib.

Any thoughts ? feels like a rivalry 

 

 

Im with Bhai Simranjit all the way although I have not listened to the other clip yet. The thing with chautha padh is that nothing is physical so seeing faces of the gurus whilst doing abhiyas isnt necessarily a good thing and from what bhai Seva Singh used to say, its just kaal playing tricks on you. Same as if you see different coloured lights.

I will listen to the other clip too.

On 7/12/2021 at 6:36 PM, Mbad said:

Bhai Ajit singh has a different style which works for him and the Sangat who feel like they need a harsh reminder to do the amount of simran he suggests to them.

Bhai Ajit Singh ji stayed in Moga for quite some time with Bhai Seva Singh ji and learnt the practical from him. The aggressive simran is just baikhri bani. Loud fast simran to wake the mind and get it to listen to our own voice as it has been asleep for the 4 ages.

13 hours ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

Were Bhagat Kabir and Bhagat Farid Ji amritdhari?

Yes, they had taken charan pahaul/charan Amrit from lotus feet of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. In historic documents, their meeting has been mentioned in Ayodhya (with Bhagat Kabir Ji)  and many other Bhagats like Bhagat Pipa Ji were also there. It is said that at the end of the conversation they had, Bhagat Kabir Ji begged for naam. Sache Patshah laughingly said, "you already know everything!". But then they became Sikhs of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Before meeting Guru Nanak Dev Ji, they meditated on Kirtam Naam, not Sat Naam. With Kirtam naam they attained enlightenment and purified they minds to an extent but without Sat Naam noone can have Darshan of Vaheguru and cannot get liberation. Also, after they became Sikhs, their writings that they wrote AFTER becoming sikhs were recorded by guru sahib and finally got into place in Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

You said,

"Bin naame mukt na pavai koi, bin satgur ko naam na pavai"

You have helped me instead lol. In this pankti Satguru is mentioned, who is the sargun saroop of Vaheguru.

It's true that naam is given by vaheguru. But in which form? He has three forms, sargun, nirgun and Shabad. Which one? Yes, we get naam by offering our head to sargun roopi Vaheguru, that is Guru Sahib. And Guru Sahib gives us naam through guru roopi Panj pyaare. Guru sahib works through his Panj rehitvaan naam rasiye gurmukhs.

 

You said, anyone can chant naam. But this is wrong. Naam isn't just like any other mantra. You need to sacrifice something to get it, that is by offering your head to Satguru. 

There are endless panktis to support my point that naam is given by Satguru only. And having shradha/faith in Satguru is different from surrendering yourself to Satguru. You get naam only after surrendering yourself to Satguru, that is take Amrit.

I again request you to watch the video whose link I pasted. And the video makers can be trusted because of their kamai, gyaan and the sangat of gursikhs they have done.

Bhul chuk maaf 

Trimandeep Singh

We will have to agree to disagree. 
 

Waheguru is the same for all. Gurbani says he calls all of us regardless of caste colour, amritdhari or not. Putting restrictions on who can or cant chant his name is totally against SGGS ji teachings and no video will convince me otherwise but feel free to carry on telling people who can and cant chant his name. 
 

sometimes these things can be made far more complicated than they need to be, your post is an example of this.