PCSJZ

18 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

There are two ways of obtaining the ras:

1. There is said to be Amrit in the air all around us. As you jap the gurmantar with dhyan and the air passes through your mouth you will begin to feel a sweetness in your mouth.

2. When you reach an higher avasta and can hear Anhad naad then as you listen to it with dhyan Amrit ras also drips from the naad.

Was discussed lots in this topic

 

Paji, could you please explain the difference between anhad shabad and anhad naad?

On 12/7/2020 at 12:08 PM, harsharan000 said:

 

SSA PCSJZ Jee,

do not worry for your queries, for as long as they are sincere as a seeker and have no malice in them, they are but just normal. 

Gurmukhs or Sant Janas, just do not randomly  pull those "particular souls" and put them on the right tracks  just like that, it is by His hukum that He comes for those souls.

Gurbani beautifully refers to those souls as wadbhagee jeevas.

 

Bhoolay marag jinaay bataaya, aisa Gur wadbhagee paaya.

Those astrayed, who are shown the correct path,  with great good fortune meet the Guru.

Or as seen at other place in words of Third Patshahee:

Dhanaasree mehlaa 3.

satgur bhaytay poorai bhaag.
But by perfect destiny, they meet the True Guru;

 

For example in the Bible also, Christ a saint of  high avasthaa says:

I have come to collect the marked sheep by my Father. At other palce he says: my sheep will hear my whistle and come to me. 

Christ was mystic, so in the above sentence we should not take the words literally as sheep or whistle, but see to what he really refers to 

 

In both the examples above, this is quite true, for as we all know, Fourth and Fifth Patshahees were Akal Purukh in human form, and were father and brother to the wicked  Prithi Chand, who lived under the same roof and had Their darshan as much as any sikh disciple would desire, yet, as he was not meant to come out of the net of Maya, he continued with his ignorance and wickedness and incuring in bad karam.

 

So you see, many a times we may have a gurmukh as our neighbour, in the same village or state or country, but if one is not meant for the time being, one will never believe in that gurmukh.

People do mistake Vishnu avatars as equal for Guru Sahiban, Gurmukhs, Bhagat Janas  or Sant Janas, as forms of Akal Purukh.

There is huge difference among them.

Vishnu avatars come to restore dharam on earth, and fight the tyranny, and through devotion take their devotees at most to the realm of Baikunth or Swarg.

While, Guru Sahiban or Bhagat Jan, come to set free from the mayavee creation for once and ever with the aid of Nam bhakti.

Vishnu avatars display miraculous powers and have their spouses,  weapons,  or animals with them... a lot of variety of everything around them, which impress the mortal beings and thus worship them, and keep them entagled in jap, tap, poojas, patahs, pilgrimages, idol worship...etc

On the other side, Guru Sahiban, come as ordinary human beings while they are the very essence Akal Purukh Himself, never ever display powers or claim to be something but call themselves as a sewadaar of everybody, such pure is their humility, and their main purpose is to only reunite the soul with Satnam, Waheguru, with the aid of Nam bhakti, and realize that Ultimate Truth nowhere outside, but within ourselves. 

If you pay attention to each verse in each Ang of the Bani, you will see only mahima of Nam the true creator, the Ultimate Truth.

Following are some more beauti ful verses from the Bani which are related  to your queries: 

Vin Naavai, Ko Mukath N Hoe
But without the Name, no one is liberated
Raag Gauri Guaarayree Guru Amar Das 

Kal Mehi Guramukh Outharas Paar
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, only the Gurmukhs cross over
Raag Gauri Guaarayree Guru Amar Das 

Gur Parasaadhee, Milai Har Soee
By Guru's Parsad of Nam, one meets the Lord.
Raag Gauri Guru Amar Das

har mandar sabday khojee-ai har naamo layho samaal. 
The Temple of the Lord is found through the Word of the Shabad; contemplate the Lord's Name.
har mandar ayhu sareer hai, gi-aan ratan pargat ho-ay.
This body is the Temple of the Lord, in which the jewel of spiritual wisdom is revealed
Raag Prabhaatee Guru Amar Das

SaaDhoo sang sikhaa-i-o naam.
In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, the Naam is learned
Raag Aasaa, Guru Arjun Dev

Sant parsaad, japai har naa-o.
By the Parsad of Nam of the Saints, one chants the Lord's Name.
Raag Gwaarayaree, Guru Arjun Dev.

Sant parsaad taray bhavjal, poorab likhi-aa paa-i-aa.
By the Grace of the Saints, they cross over the terrifying world-ocean, and obtain their pre-ordained destiny
Raag Bihagraa Guru Arjun Dev

Naam a-ukhaDh, so-ee jan paavai.
He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,
kar kirpaa jis aap divaavai.
unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.
Raag Gauree Gwaarayree, Guru Arjun Dev

naanak parabh karee kirpaa, pooraa satgur paa-i-aa. 
Nanak, God has granted His Grace, and I have found the Perfect True Guru
Raag Ramkalee Guru Arjun Dev.

Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed nahee bahee
Nanak proclaims, there is no difference between a Sadh, a Gurmukh and the one Lord Wahiguru.
Sukhmani Sahib, Guru Arjrun Dev

 

So you see, the teachings of Guru Sahiban, Gurmukhs and Bhagat Jan, are only relataed to our true spiritual nature as souls, and Waheguru, Nam or Shabad as our only origin in Sach Khand, there where only He one exists, no spouses, no children, no siblings, no cows, tigers, bulls, rats, lions or snakes, no roaming about in heavenly chariots etc ....  etc  .... etc ....

One thing we must bear in mind and that is, though all this variety of creations, celestial beings, trinities, people exist, it is because of His hukum, thus we should respect everything created by Him and not enter into controversies or disputes with them, for if such is His hukum who can go against it? Though we may never ever understand it.... We do not even know our tuchh mind/pettiness, how can we ever understand His beant wadeeayee...

 

As much as possible, our aim and attention should not be on what others are doing, but on ourselves, if we are living our lives as per the pure and paviter teachings of the Bani, for it is only by applying it practically in our daily lives, can we get His kirpa and thus cross  the mahabhavsagar, not otherwise.

 

About your question of Waheguru accepting you .... I would say, not only you but all of the infinte drops of jeev atmaas are very dear to Him. 

We see variety of people, or dharmas, of this and that, but He sees only His same Jot in all. It is only out of ignorance we get into controversies, but if we  live accordingly to the teachings we will never get into disputes or quarrels, for our main concern will be on focusing and saving ourselves, each jeev atma has chalked destiny to fulfill due to their own past karam.

Also, you can just pray to Him to  bless you with His kirpa and let you live and follow Gurabni as stated in it by our beloved Guru Sahiban and Bhagat Jan.

 

To end this post today, I would like to end it with a beautiful verse from the Gurbani of First Patshahee :

Eko Nam hukum hae Nanak  Satgur bujhaae dheeo jee.

 

SSA. 

Thank you paji for the response. What you have said all makes sense however I do have 1 question still.

Regarding the point about those with perfect destiny will unite with Waheguru. I dont and cant doubt Waheguru but maybe my small mind isnt understanding this correctly.

As in my example. The particular person has only now paid attention to what the gurmukh has been saying and has started doing sangat and abhiyas. So if we say he has the perfect destiny but only the gurmukh can see it hence the reason he has put so much time and effort in trying to convince this person to attend sangat.

on the other hand, you have the other person who may not have perfect destiny therefore not destined to meet Waheguru yet he tries his hardest to live life the correct way, does his abhiyas, does sangat, follows anything that a gurmukh may say straightaway and has a yearning to meet Waheguru but just because of past kamai and not having the perfect destiny he is not meant to meet Waheguru? 

Is this fair?

Someone that has no appreciation gets everything but the one that tries day and night doesnt even get a look in because hes not meant to?

Again maybe i have completely misunderstood, maybe because i have been more and more disheartened the last few weeks so im thinking more negative. However i have heard this concept of perfect destiny before and i admit i do not fully understand.

bhul chuk maaf.

Wjkk Wjkf

On 12/22/2019 at 7:17 PM, Still nascent said:

 

Here's the link to join Gurudwara Prabhu milne ka chao akath katha group via watsapp for any interested sangat

https://chat.whatsapp.com/KgfO2VYqWNDFctKMqjTzlX

 

 

Follow this link t join my WhatsApp group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/KgfO2VYqWNDFctKMqjTzlX

 

Wjkk wjkf

The 2 links are the same. Are they 2 different groups?

Wjkk Wjkf

On 11/3/2020 at 11:27 PM, harsharan000 said:

Brother, 

I do follow what you are trying to say.

And as you have asked for an opinion, I will give you mine.

Just imagine, a classroom with a teacher and his students.  To those who are a bit less intelligent or attentive, he makes them sit in the front line, so that they could be more attentive to the lessons taught by him, while to those who are more sharp intellectualy, he makes them sit in the back rows, for he knows wherver they sit, they can easily grasp the teachings, yet that does not mean that he cares less for them.

You see, a true Gurmukh is not something physical, he is more a spiritual being than what we can perceive. 

So, if he is a Gurmukh, and he has to give you something, he can give it to you even if we are 7 seas far away physically from him.

For example Prithi Chand, was a son and a  brother to 2 Guru sahiban, stayed under the same roof with them, had Their darshan most of the time, yet his wickedness had no limits.

And there were sikh disciples of both  4 th and  5th Patshaeeya, who were quite distant from them, yet they were blessed with such love and faith in Them, that They were considered Akal Purkh by those sikhs. Physical nearness or distance is irrelevant, when it comes in terms of these Holy people, for if they have to give you something, they will give it you wherever you are, on the contrary, one may be behind them as shadows, and if they have nothing to give, you will never get it by physical nearness.

So you see, we should not be much affected of how they deal with others, our main aim should be, that, if we have once identified Them as Gurmukhs by Their grace/kirpa, we should rather keep an eye ourselves  and see if our love, faith and affection for them has not suffered any decrease in quality.

That is it.

 

As a sample, the below 2 verses from the Bani, describe the reality of the spiritual heights of Gurmukhs, Sant Jan, Bhagat Jan:

 

ਮੋ ਕਉ ਦੀਜੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸੰਤਨ ਪਗ ਰਾਲ ॥੨॥

Mo Ko Dheejai Dhaan Prabh Santhan Pag Raal ||2||

Bless me, O God, with the gift of the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||2||

ਜਗਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਪਾਲ ॥

Jagath Oudhhaaran Saadhh Prabh Thinh Laagahu Paal ||

God's Holy people are the saviors of the world; I grab hold of the hem of their robes.

Raag Bilaaval Guru Arjan Dev

 

SSA.

This makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for this. I know that ultimately our goal is to meet Waheguru and along that journey is guess we dont need to impress anyone except Waheguru. (If thats the right word). I guess in this case, the person in question is someone i know well. The Gurmukh has been calling on them to attend sangat for a few years now (they used to attend and then stopped). The Gurmukh seems to take extra time out for them when all i see is that person doesnt really seem to care and takes it for granted. They have now started sangat so maybe that is why the gurmukh tried so hard. In my own little mind at one point i was thinking if they really dont seem to care then why is this gurmukh trying so hard? There are so many others that are willing to listen and do whatever it takes yet they get no attention? 
 

Like i say though, thats just my own small mindedness and silly thinking i guess and I need to focus more on what im doing instead of what is happening around me. I get doubts though, that will Waheguru ever accept me? Gurbani says there is no difference between Waheguru and the mind of a gurmukh so if a gurmukh doesnt like me then what chance do i have with Waheguru?

sorry I know im rambling but i dont really talk to anyone about this and find i can do it here easier

Wjkk Wjkf

14 hours ago, hsingh6 said:

Thanks Bhai Sahib for this wonderful share..

Allow me to share a link to a video of Bhai Bahadur Singh - who Giani Sant Singh Maskeen in his katha described as a Brahmgiani he knew - wherein he describes the process of how to meet the creator - which is the ultimate aim of all of us. 

 

 

Other than this clip, ive watched a few other clips on youtube of this babaji. Everything he says is from the Gurbani however he seems to mostly talk about not saying anything, instead just having dhiyaan of waheguru. So no chanting of gurmantar needed, just concentrate and think of Waheguru instead. Maybe I have understood or interpreted incorrectly but that is how it came across to me

7 hours ago, Guest Singh said:

Sangat ji,

Some simran things here are amazing. But what about children of around 5-10yrs age. Does anyone have tips/experience how to encourage them with simran?

For example doing 5 mins of Vaheguru simran with your children before they go to sleep I do. I’m interested what should you encourage young ones to focus on? If you tell them to imagine Guru Nanak Ji is standing in front of them is this ok? 

These things like anhad jaap, sounds etc. I assume it is their personal journey as they get older and rest of life.

Thank you ji. Sat sri akal

Wjkk wjkf

I have a question that I need some help on. We hear that a real Gurmukh treats everyone the same and shows no impartiality to different people as they see Waheguru in all. 
 

What then if you think you are experiencing this? As in you feel that a Gurmukh is treating you differently to others which leaves you feeling a little upset? I appreciate that our avastha is not high enough to understand what a Gurmukh is thinking but still any insight would be greatly appreciated. 
 

Hope the question is clear and not confusing.

Wjkk Wjkf

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2020 at 12:50 AM, Guest jatindar Singh said:

With inhale I am not being able to say "Wahe" with a sound, it can be done only mentally.

Is it possible..please guide

Exhale sound "Guru " is ok.

 

Wjkk Wjkf

It's difficult to explain but I think you are saying 'Wahe' when you inhale literally in which case you won't be able to say it.

When you inhale, you need to bring in your stomach about an inch, it's at that point you say Wahe, then Guru when you exhale.

Atleast that is how Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala ji explains it and how Bhai Ajit Singh ji explains.