vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh Das thinks that if to marry a Muslim then convert her/him before marriage to Gurmat while for Amritdharis only Amritdhari has to marry.But in Sau Sakhi das read Sikh who is Pahili can marry a non Pahili(this may be infereed that after marrriage or during Marrigege Pahil can be done. Otherwise there doe not seems to be a sin.But refer that childern become Sikh.

Gurfateh Das respect the views of unbreakable Singh Ji. And then coming to adimn Sahib's issuesed being raised. Here in the statement what das wanted to convey was that if we trey to interpret in light of Gurbani,there could be mnay things in old Sanatan Dharmi or say hindu scriptures which will be clarifed now say after thousends of year of thier coming. Das did mentioned true Clarifiaction of Purush Sutra of holy Veda being done in better way say in Sarbloh Granth. Das can even say that not only so called Hindu scriptures but Holy Bible and Holy Veda can be interperted in more clearer way if we use standard of Gurbani over there.Ie Gurmat Kasuati. As per das Gurus were sent not to destroy any faith but to complment the existing faiths and Gurmat is the ultimate faith. Again das repeats that there is no need to edit scriputre say like Manusamriti even.By Bani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,s help we can get the more clearer meanings of the same. Like say if something is writtan in thier for Sudra it may not meand race but person with some low qultieis and by symbolism may be Sudrs in mind is told to be ended there. Das is soory for using term 'ours' but the thing his that had the people who are trying to change the scriptures like Manusamriti had beheld Gurbani as thier also then they would not have acted in fear. anyway das is soory and it is true that Gurbani is universal and forgive das for that.

Gurfateh First about Amrit and uniting of Four Varnas issue. Well it is coorect that Guru did break caste even in deeds doing manner by the fact that if we see Swami Ramterth Dandi Sanyasi book on Sikh Panth and Brhamin Dharam.there he qoutes a line from a book about Castre by some Saint(who is Santan Dharmi but not Sikh). And there we have thing like unting of Varnas ie having qultiy of all the Varnas at least some in one person only.ie uniting four Varnas into one. But yes due to caste system(not Varna but Jati) which was a product of misinterpetation of old scriptures racial ism crept in and Guru did broke it and Amrit to due to that only. So intial Varnas were four professions but later they assumded caste or race and no one can transmigrate from one to another nor a person can have two Varnas at the same time. Then see Ang 1161 for Baba Adam. then this post from allaboout sikhim das took from some poster at Gursikhijeevan.com and thense brought from there and perhaps mentioned this also. It is right.One ie Akal is God,Guru,Panth and Sikh and everything. Anyway das is also from Sanatan side only. Well in us a person can be Nirmala and Nihung or say Sevapanthi and Nirmala at the same time. Likewise Nirmalas can learn fight also.And Nihungs can be scholar also.Son of Nihung can be Nirmala.Nihung can be converted into Udasi also.We must not forget Taksalis also. So a person can be Taksali and Nihung also. So in us there is something call minimun qulifiaction of being a Sikh and then some specialisation but due to mercy of Akal and not based upon birth.And good lot of flexiblility to join and to leave based upon mercy of Akal and free mind as result.No rigidity. So they are not sect.Like in Army we have logisitc corps(We have SevaPanthi),Education corps(Taksalis),Public Realtions(Nirmalas),Intelligence(Udasis) Last one may have medical corps also but Nirmalas and Sevpanthis may have the same thing. main infantray and cavilary is of Panth of Singhs who are Guru Panth.A Rank higher is of Nihung and highest is to be Akali. All based upon qulifiactions and conduct and not by birth. So not the sects but parts of the body doing special services.Forgive das for anything wrong but yes there has been many adultrations being done in orders as done in main body but we have to clean it and cure it instead of amptitution of body part.

Gurfateh Das just wanted to say that 73rd sect could be Sikhism or at least Nanakshahi Muslims(Muslim followers of Guru Nanak ,who know him by name Abdul Majid Guru Nanak(Das knew this name from a documentary on Guru and one Maulana was saying this name). Sanatan Sikhs of UK can put more light on that ie Nanak Shahi Muslims and thier faith as das did listen to one lecture of Baba Nidder Singh Ji Nihung of UK Budhadal about them.

Gurfateh Das if not mistaken wants to say that 72 interpetation of Islams are allowed or what people say 72 sects yet there could be some differnces between these 72 or say like Wahabis who could be outside them.More info Brother Baz can provide.Allah Hafiz,Khoda Nigedor,Akal Sahai.

Gurfateh Das read this that soeone was joking about Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale at Taponban.org. It was said that Sant Ji said that Guru wrote Japu Ji Sahib and then circumvented it. He said that Sant Ji said first time did Guru wrote Japuji Sahib. das thinks that it was not first time but as Guru rembered the Bani so Bani as Esht was to be deemed so Guru perhaps did wrote Japuji Sahib to let it be first Sikh wedding for Guru but recitiing of Japuji Sahib could not be meden or first.

Gurfateh Forgive das for any mistakes he did. Quote: Well as we see God in all so individual names are God only so no one particular name. Say we take a strip of iron and and axe of iron. We cut strip woth axe. Apprantly we will have two parts of strip,a gap between them and axe. but in real we have axe,two strips and gap all as God.so nothing left as separate or differant.

Gurfateh Hallelujah Dear Charlses, Das as a Sikh can say that we are not much differnt from sprtitual minded Christians and das feels himself to be Christian also.As per Sanatan Dharam ie faith since world was made Holy Bible also is a word of God .

Gurfateh Brother Amritpal Singh Ji, Das is sorry to mention about AKJ but it did happen that some of thier people living in abroad do tagg all those who have faith in Dasham Granth as rss agent,while majority of them themselves have devotion for said Granth. Another thing could be that those people are not at all from AKJ who oppse Dasham Granth Ji but just want to bring Bad name to the organisation. Das did talked about this to one of his brother from AKJ and who instructed Das that Bharam Bekh Te Rahe Niara So Khalsa Satigur Hamara and there should be no Bharam or doubt about Tenth Master Bani. Das did contacted him after someone who was a stounch opponent of Dasham Granth claimed afiliation to AKJ and di used similar accusitions.

Gurfateh Dear Charles, When we read about something we may not understand then seeing that thing in real. Well if das is not mistaken one picture is equal to hundered words and real thing could be more better to be understood then say picture also. Das is happy to say that out God is not far away but very near to us and if you want you can see that also.Das is anyway not the teacher.God in das wants God in you to realsie the self and if God in you want this may happen and when this happens you will find that what all has happned between us may not be acts of us but of that. Again to learn about Our Faith there is a need to learn about our God and that is more then sufficent. Coming to space to measure or define space we need to have units ie M,Sqaure meter or cubic meter and they are based upon some refreance frame which can not be void and has top be arbitary object at least from where we can have 3 or 2 values depeding upon which refreance system we use. anyway it does take time to remove prejudge things away like Lord made Apostles to remove the concept of Diana in Greece.

Gurfateh Dear Chrales , Das wants you reply about if you want to see that Treu God and Das can help you.

Gurfateh Dear Chrales here we start. I Das just wanted to say that we need to resepct feamles also eqauly but feamles as per faith of Das are not anyway less respectful from males so she is nowhere less respectful. das want syou to know that when we divide 1 by 0 answer in inverted eight 8 like sayOO which we call infinty.It moves with the fact that unedning numbers and to be more clerer as unlimited while defination you give is for limited numbers. As das is from measurement sicine side we can say wha you said only for measuring something that we can not measure it correctly but nerest to it and therre that tendency factor comes.So das emat by term unlimited and zeros are unlimed in one or any other number.Das hopes you got it.Omanipotancy of God is unlimited. the alter statemtn is realtive as we dod not recogansie sprit as ant enttiy which is absolute but concept is more like removla of a sort of cover from eyes. Das here wants to say that creation is concept for you and not for das but only God and apparant form of the same matter for Das.Das will try to remove the term creation when we go at the stage of sapce. Thing here is that apparntly as you can find creation you can even apparntly didivde it also but that is appanrt only. Our consicious if form of God only.It is not our but of God. Well you can ask and God can answer as Sikhs are not the entity by self but God only is there and same for you also. das will be very carefull and as we intreact more God in you will make Das mmore capalbe of presenting things better.Das only wanted to say that God is one who is above all and can even use very same thing to defeat the same thing.ie simluli simluy corosaius. Our Gurus did use the language of the same creed to remove the doubts of the same. Das would like to say for Das logic means Tark(Sankrti word) ie same statement which can be used to prove some fact but ultimatlyl they do come on some thing which may not be rpoved or explanied. ( here das can say as you said in last defination that there could be disagreement between philosophers about logic's defiantion also.So das who does not belife in good or bad or true or false in absolute concept may not agree to logic in absoulte thing either. but they are based upon physical things which are still unexplanied. best Exmaple here could be Marrying of sons of God with human women and then great flood of Noah's time which God only knows that why god did. If you had studied management then you may not have said this. '3 + 2 = 5' is not always true in in fied at least ie managment.How? Das will use another basic exaple which could be easier for you to be understood and later we can use the same to prove upper thing wrong. say 1+1<2 1+1>2 1+1=2 you can say that last is true but other latter two can also be true then how? Well if both the 1 has confomity then thier getting togather can give sum or output more then thier value taken togather but seaprtly wiothout thier contact. And if they had contradiction then vice vers ie second case can occur. This happens in human factor. Say output of Pastor X is say one convert.Output of Pastor Y is 1 ocnvert but if they work togather and are usefull to each other then they can have more then two converts also. here das would put as such that as concept of true or False are passed when we come to God so there will of God works rahter God by self works.that is truth and all other things can be explined by that without contradiction. You said: Quote: We still can not say why did it happen? and contradictions also can happen anyway like there was some Catholic bishop who did dfied the gravity also. here das can say that there could be difernt meaning of logic been used by yourself and Das.But yes it can happen that Bishop can be in air and on ground at the same time also.As air and grund are relative and Bishop also and all is God so one thing at many time does exsist. Scince is porven by Logic often and failure of sicne gives failure of logic (what das emant by it)attched to it. As logic explined the scintif c phenomina which were infact failed so logc wass defeated.But again AIDS make defense of body weak but here defence to such hiv was made.Still logicly can not be explnined as das goes by it.why did antibodeis been made? Here Job felt bad while he should have flet Good as it was all by God and not inteteded by Satan.There is a contradiction that man of God being unhappy with the act of God. but God is not the static thing at all and is always dynamic and best proof Are the Old and New Testments Is omnipotant God so weak that it can not change own creation(das is only talking in hypothaitcal sense). What debars God to alter Truth(St Jude) into false and false(Saul) into Truth(Paul).Putting contstraints on God by God's apparnant creation can be handiwork of some one who wants to prove God as non omnipotant and in some constraints and that could be a creation(apparntly) of God called Lucifer. God is everywhere and God is truth and concept of flasehood does not comes when we talk of absoute and can only come in relative things. The test is from god unto God and we stand nowhere as we ourself are not at all something but God only is there. Das can say that even if we go by your hypothaises then also God is above the logic and created thing can be destroyed by the creator if Creator is omnipotant. so far we have made something more then 3dimensions in Computer Programing and we hope move ing simulating some similar things in futre but God does all. just one relative stament for yuo that how does it happens say overtly St Stephen was paining by getting stoned but inside he was happy andn one with God.Somewhere on the glode you and Das could be joined by a line and will be in same dimnesion say x,y or z but hey are only relative as wherever you are there das and univser exsits and iwthin and withiout and inbetween. das would like to say that it was not a challenge but das saw some very interesting facts in holy Bible which scince is yet to reach. No as there could be space where energy or matter can exist also.If God has some body(in your case 'he' has so does 'he' could be separate from creation.Sapce can be occupied. Rather space can only be determined if some matter or enrgy is there which can determined by with relation to some matter.Say metric system to determine it say distance from one point(marked by some object) to another point.We need to have at least one object.Even vaccum also is sournded by or surrunds some object.In fact if we use your natural laws. Vaccum can only exsist if there is something which is not vaccum. Yuo defined it as vaccum which can be only determined by mass ie oppsite to it.So there has to be some mass before to prove that your God was in some space. Let us againsee that matter. Sapce is dependant upon matter so is hypothatically it is a creation or mnaifesation of god only in apparnt thing else space is also God. Darkness may not be absensce of light at all.It is casued due to non return of light back to senseors.Say in blackholes light is even absorbed by the stroong gravity so we can not say that that Darkness is not due to absense of light ie a negtive term while that is very postive term. Well das will give more elaboration over that. Das did not challenge you but saw something great in holy Bible which many people from Orthodox Church,Roman Cathlolics and perhaps one or two freinds of das from Yehova witness have givne considerations. Well as far as Sikhs are concerned unmanifested God and Manifested God are both the same.It is possbile that our relisiation takes us to that time when god was unmaifested form or when God again assume the same form in future, but again such are only relative things. In truth let us see what actualy could happen by saying that space is not the creation but it exists by default. There is some obejct which makes some place occupied by 'himself'(Rember the quotes just to show them that das doubts it).and vaccum dependant upon the same arround that makes the space not created by anyone but exsisting since eterntiy. In that case that space actauly rpovides the space for creation by that creator so there are Two factors of creations ie sapce and object creating that so Two God and and two eternal things. That object which is in space 'himself' does not know the limit of the space but is limited by space and by that this space is stronger to that god. Say that god creates somthing. from where does matterail is obtained for that.Say from slef body some enrgy is created which makes matter.Say if we take our body as atomic by your defiantion out tongue comes out of mouth and make some shapes otherwise it could be some excerta which has come out of us and is our creation but for that we needed food. Let us come back to space concept Say God is in etrnal space separte from 'himself'.By self power does God hangs 'himself' there. But being in sopce God has to have some definate mass as some vloume can make that mass in it.But how can God make other things more that 'his' own vloume ie creation.should 'he' inflate to change the volume. As you have been talking of faith then das knows that if ten Faithfull pray to Yehiove to let one faithfull stay away from lucifer then even if that person is surrunded by lucifer he does not comes into influnce of the same. Instead of answering it inpen Das can surly let you relaise that state of God which is not like the one das told but you need to tell fellow faithfulll brethern to let you stay away from lucifer it will be gurantee that yehove is not averse to path Das is gooing to tell you. Are you ready for thaqt then if yes then do tell das. Then coming back on your questions about our Das. We can simply say that our God occupies all the sapce and is single unit and in realthere is only apprant differance between Maniseted and unmanifested God and when we realise the former we are lasvaged even befor we die and das can surly show you that God by mercy of Akal.(Das by mercy of Akal can tell same by Dasham Granth Sahib). As per our defination of space as God is Sarbthav(all space) for us God is all space which is apparnt.And not tow factor for creation. In fact as per our interpetation of Gensis. God did create matter from self energy which is limitless(omn ipotant or all energy or capble to do unlimted things all things which can happen)).But as energy is self form so matter also is self form.only after matter does concept of space came before that time or space did not exisit.And as matter is from enrgy which is till the from of God and is under the control of God as it is not going to get free of that God who can do anything.so it is still one with the God. If we belvie that sapce exsisted before or with the God eternaly then we will have to belive that God occupied some space so God has to ahve form but form is due to creation and who created that form?If God did it by self that is God did have own form by slef then God did do one manifestation of self at least one and why can not further manifestation can be done? Sop far Das only Said that sapce is not a negtive term or vaccum but is relative to matter or mass and mass comes first before space and if God is of mass then God is also creation of something or say creation of self only. Akal willing if you want you can be shwon the truth.The way student has to follow instructions by teacher and following it correcly does knows the truth das can help you by mean of Gurbani ie verbal manifestation of the God.Yuo have to have the faith in one god for that and then das will tell you more on that. As thing there is more then five sense sometoehr thing ie brainn/heaert has to be used to reach till there but as constraint fail in front of God so we can do it by letters also.

Gurfateh Well das actualy loved Jingoism and it does work but not always. Das has realy read Dasham Granth and then did he gives his views. so does the Das starts. Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh so do not have to worry if das has read it or not but Das can say that Das finds flaws in the interpetations by Dr Jodh Singh,Jaggi Rattan Singh and Pandit Naryan Singh also. the way Fareedkoti Teeka of Guru Granth Sahib Ji may not be liked by some so do we can have that interpetations of Dasham Granth may be done wrong buut same can be done for Guru Granth Sahib JI. so das realy feels ashamed that person like you just giove only oone portion and then do not give portion before them and after them else you could have Got the thing clered in your mind. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਅਬ ਬਰਣੋ ਕਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰੂ ॥ ਜੈਸ ਭਾਂਤ ਬਰੁ ਧਰਯੋ ਮੁਰਾਰੂ ॥ अब बरणो किशना अवतारू ॥ जैस भांत बरु धरयो मुरारू ॥ No I describe the Krishna incarnation as to how he assumed the physical form; ਪਰਮ ਪਾਪ ਤੇ ਭੂਮ ਡਰਾਨੀ ॥ ਡਗਮਗਾਤ ਬਿਧ ਤੀਰ ਸਿਧਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ परम पाप ते भूम डरानी ॥ डगमगात बिध तीर सिधानी ॥१॥ The earth, with unsteady gait, reached near the Lord.1. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਯੋ ਛੀਰ ਨਿਧ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਇਸਥਿਤ ਥੇ ਤਹਾਂ ॥ ब्रहमा गयो छीर निध जहां ॥ काल पुरख इसथित थे तहां ॥ Amidst the milk-ocean, where the Immanent Lord was seated, Brahma reached there; ਕਹਯੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਧਰੋ ਤੁਮ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ कहयो बिशन कह निकट बुलाई ॥ क्रिशन अवतार धरो तुम जाई ॥२॥ The Lord called Vishnu near Him and said, "You go to the earth and assume the form of Krishna incarnation.2. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੇ ਬਚਨ ਤੇ ਸੰਤਨ ਹੇਤ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਮਥਰਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਜਨਮ ਧਰਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੩॥ काल पुरख के बचन ते संतन हेत सहाइ ॥ मथरा मंडल के बिखै जनम धरयो हरि राइ ॥३॥ Vishnu took birth in Mathura area for the welfare of saints, on receiving the orders of the Loard.3. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਜੇ ਜੇ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਦਿਖਾਏ ॥ ਦਸਮ ਬੀਚ ਸਭ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਏ ॥ जे जे किशन चरित्र दिखाए ॥ दसम बीच सभ भाख सुनाए ॥ The sportive plays exhibited by Krishna, have been described in the tenth skandh; ਗਯਾਰਾ ਸਹਸ ਬਾਨਵੇ ਛਂੰਦਾ ॥ ਕਹੇ ਦਸਮ ਪੁਰ ਬੈਠ ਅਨੰਦਾ ॥੪॥ गयारा सहस बानवे छंंदा ॥ कहे दसम पुर बैठ अनंदा ॥४॥ There are eleven thousand and ninety-two stanzas in respect of Krishna incarnation in the tenth skandh.4. ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਅਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਜੂ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਕਥਨੰ ॥ अथ देवी जू की उसतत कथनं ॥ Now begins the description in praise of the goddess ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ स्वैया ॥ SWAYYA ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਹਮ ਪੈ ਤੁ ਸਭੈ ਸਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਹੀ ਧਰਿਹੋਂ ॥ होइ क्रिपा तुमरी हम पै तु सभै सगनंगुन ही धरिहों ॥ On receiving Thy Grace, I shall assume all the virtues; ਜੀਅ ਧਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਤਬੈ ਬਰ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਅਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਕੋ ਹਰਿਹੌਂ ॥ जीअ धार बिचार तबै बर बुधि महां अगनंगुन को हरिहौं ॥ I shall destroy all the vices, ruminating on Thy attributes in my mind; ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; and there after does all other things as you mentioned started. But can you give what does it means in Gurugrantyh Sahib Ji before pointing about this so called flaw in Dasham Granth Sahib Ji, just look one verse from Bhagat Namdev Ji over here. ਨਾਮੇ ਕੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੀਅ ਬਹੋਰੀ ਲੰਕ ਭਭੀਖਣ ਆਪਿਓ ਹੋ ॥੪॥੨॥ नामे के सुआमी सीअ बहोरी लंक भभीखण आपिओ हो ॥४॥२॥ naamay kay su-aamee see-a bahoree lank bhabheekhan aapi-o ho. ||4||2|| Naam Dayv's Lord Master brought Sita back, and gave Sri Lanka to Bhabheekhan. ||4||2|| Ang 657 so this could again be a sort of attmept of Brhimn or RSS to imnterpoltate Guru Granth Sahib Ji. By the way in Japu Ji sahib Guru Issar Guru Gorakh Barma Guru Parvati Mai also interpolation.Ie Guru is Brhama,Vishnu,Mahesh and Parvati(Devi). So its upto you. so comting to your misiinterpetations neither in Guru Granth Sahib or in Dasham Granth deity is recogansied but their actions or attributes are attributed to Akal Purakh and does das gives you explnation rember if you do not agree to interpetaion of Dasham Granth as per Gurmat then why should you expect others to belive in similar interpetations of relative terms of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,is that not a sort of hypocry. So das write your thing in detail ਚੌਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ चौबीस अउतार CHAUBIS AVTAR (Twenty-Four Gods) ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ The Lord is one and the Victory is of the Lord. 9this givne here just to say that all was vcitory of Akal and actual doer is Akal so victory of Akal). ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਅਬ ਬਰਣੋ ਕਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰੂ ॥ ਜੈਸ ਭਾਂਤ ਬਰੁ ਧਰਯੋ ਮੁਰਾਰੂ ॥ अब बरणो किशना अवतारू ॥ जैस भांत बरु धरयो मुरारू ॥ No I describe the Krishna incarnation as to how he assumed the physical form; (the way Blessing was given/held by killer of myness/ego ie Murar ie Akal so by that blsiing of Akal does description of Krisdhna Avtar is being given). ਪਰਮ ਪਾਪ ਤੇ ਭੂਮ ਡਰਾਨੀ ॥ ਡਗਮਗਾਤ ਬਿਧ ਤੀਰ ਸਿਧਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ परम पाप ते भूम डरानी ॥ डगमगात बिध तीर सिधानी ॥१॥ The earth, with unsteady gait, reached near the Lord.1. (by super sins Erath was unhappy and went to the corner of Brahma in a giddy way). It means also that earth had inbalnce and mattter contraols(brahma) were contacted by earth ie like organism does earth does trey to take care of inbalcenses.Sin clould be something trying to undermine the balance of earth. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਯੋ ਛੀਰ ਨਿਧ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਇਸਥਿਤ ਥੇ ਤਹਾਂ ॥ ब्रहमा गयो छीर निध जहां ॥ काल पुरख इसथित थे तहां ॥ Amidst the milk-ocean, where the Immanent Lord was seated, Brahma reached there; (this may mean that Brhama reached the trasure of milk or it can be refered as sea of milk.Just loook till last post you did say that it was Shiva but shiva lives in Kailash but here we have seen abode of Vishnu at ocean of sea. what guru tells here is that if ocean of milk is there then only Akal lives there. Put what actualy does it means. Well that is that Matter in turn contacted treasure of purity(Milk) as Ksheer isymbol of Good and purity and due to able to get purity of it from water swaan is called good Bebeckiie(person able to bring out the differance between good and bad).and such human at super state is refered as Paramhans or Super swan. So matter went to pure for of energy.) ਕਹਯੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਧਰੋ ਤੁਮ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥ कहयो बिशन कह निकट बुलाई ॥ क्रिशन अवतार धरो तुम जाई ॥२॥ The Lord called Vishnu near Him and said, "You go to the earth and assume the form of Krishna incarnation.2. ( as Brahma went himself to place then there is no question of Brahma calling Vishnu but Lord did call Vishnu) That means that super enrgy did bring in subjective(visya based) energy to take action and that energy also had matter(vishais) with it. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੇ ਬਚਨ ਤੇ ਸੰਤਨ ਹੇਤ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ ਮਥਰਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਜਨਮ ਧਰਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੩॥ काल पुरख के बचन ते संतन हेत सहाइ ॥ मथरा मंडल के बिखै जनम धरयो हरि राइ ॥३॥ Vishnu took birth in Mathura area for the welfare of saints, on receiving the orders of the Loard.3. (Mathra Mandal may aslo means area of churing ie invisible area where various reactions take place) ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਜੇ ਜੇ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਦਿਖਾਏ ॥ ਦਸਮ ਬੀਚ ਸਭ ਭਾਖ ਸੁਨਾਏ ॥ जे जे किशन चरित्र दिखाए ॥ दसम बीच सभ भाख सुनाए ॥ The sportive plays exhibited by Krishna, have been described in the tenth skandh; (here it is strange that people are talking of Tenth Sakdha while das could understand that writer is talking about Pinial gland or Dasham Dwar as at one stage speed of light is overcome there and person can trevel in time and what actualy had happened in past was been told by that method by writer). ਗਯਾਰਾ ਸਹਸ ਬਾਨਵੇ ਛਂੰਦਾ ॥ ਕਹੇ ਦਸਮ ਪੁਰ ਬੈਠ ਅਨੰਦਾ ॥੪॥ गयारा सहस बानवे छंंदा ॥ कहे दसम पुर बैठ अनंदा ॥४॥ There are eleven thousand and ninety-two stanzas in respect of Krishna incarnation in the tenth skandh.4. (again towen of Ten may also mean the same). ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਅਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਜੂ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਕਥਨੰ ॥ अथ देवी जू की उसतत कथनं ॥ Now begins the description in praise of the goddess (rember here from now that Akal is alread yrefered to be actual devi not once but more then once see below ਕਹੂੰ ਦੇਵੀਅੰ ਦੇਵਤੰ ਦਈਤ ਰੂਪੰ ॥ ਕਹੂੰ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੇਕ ਧਾਰੇ ਅਨੂਪੰ ॥੧੧॥ कहूं देवीअं देवतं दईत रूपं ॥ कहूं रूप अनेक धारे अनूपं ॥११॥ Somewhere He manifests Himself as a goddess, god and demon. Somewhere He appears in several unique forms.11. and that also in Vachitar Natak which is considered contraversial and then also in Akal Ustat ਕਹੂੰ ਦੇਵਬਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਮੰਗਲਾ ਮਿੜਾਨੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਸਿਆਮ ਕਹੂੰ ਸੇਤ ਹੋ ॥ कहूं देवबानी कहूं सारदा भवानी कहूं मंगला मिड़ानी कहूं सिआम कहूं सेत हो ॥ Somewhere Thou art the divine speech, somewhere Sarada and Bhavani, somewhere Durga, the trampler of corpses, somewhere in black colour and somewhere in white colour. And Laslty sse this ਪੰਨਾ 2, ਸਤਰ 9 ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ गुरु ईसरु गुरु गोरखु बरमा गुरु पारबती माई ॥ gur eesar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee. The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. ਮਃ 1 but you will not understand.If Akal is gender less then why can not it be Devi also other then bieng Devi.Deva word is oftern appeared for Akal as below ਪੰਨਾ 265, ਸਤਰ 2 ਨਾਨਕ ਪੂਜੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਵਾ ॥੬॥ नानक पूजै हरि हरि देवा ॥६॥ naanak poojai har har dayvaa. ||6|| O Nanak, worship the Lord, the Lord Divine, Har, Har. ||6|| ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok ਪੰਨਾ 217, ਸਤਰ 7 ਪੂਜਾ ਅਰਚਾ ਬੰਦਨ ਦੇਵਾ ਜੀਉ ॥ पूजा अरचा बंदन देवा जीउ ॥ poojaa archaa bandan dayvaa jee-o. O Divine Lord, I worship and adore You; I bow down before You. ਮਃ 5 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Adn evi also imrege as singing glory of God and at one realm also. ਪੰਨਾ 6, ਸਤਰ 7 ਗਾਵਹਿ ਈਸਰੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥ गावहि ईसरु बरमा देवी सोहनि सदा सवारे ॥ gaavahi eesar barmaa dayvee sohan sadaa savaaray. Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned, sing. ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok ਪੰਨਾ 7, ਸਤਰ 17 ਕੇਤੇ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਨਾਥ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਵੇਸ ॥ केते सिध बुध नाथ केते केते देवी वेस ॥ kaytay siDh buDh naath kaytay kaytay dayvee vays. So many Siddhas and Buddhas, so many Yogic masters. So many goddesses of various kinds. ਮਃ 1 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok And praising any form of Lord can not be Bad at all. and why does it was been done we see futher. ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ स्वैया ॥ SWAYYA ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਹਮ ਪੈ ਤੁ ਸਭੈ ਸਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਹੀ ਧਰਿਹੋਂ ॥ होइ क्रिपा तुमरी हम पै तु सभै सगनंगुन ही धरिहों ॥ On receiving Thy Grace, I shall assume all the virtues; Read the correct interpetation now (when you did mercy on us,you possed with qualties(attribute)) ie Sangangun or Saguna)God did mercy on Guru(again one with God in the form of one with qualtieis(plural) here god is termed as Sabhai(all) Sagan(with) Gun(qaulties) so God of Guru was with all Qualtieis and negtive term for this is Nirguna oftern refeered in Vedanta but not in us.) so actual explnation as follow Yuo did mercy on us,you only posses all qualties within .(see smal oa and not au in end). ਜੀਅ ਧਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਤਬੈ ਬਰ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਅਗਨੰਗੁਨ ਕੋ ਹਰਿਹੌਂ ॥ जीअ धार बिचार तबै बर बुधि महां अगनंगुन को हरिहौं ॥ I shall destroy all the vices, ruminating on Thy attributes in my mind; ਬਿਨੁ ਚੰਡ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਨਹੀ ਅੱਛਰ ਹਉ ਕਰਿ ਹੌਂ ॥ बिनु चंड क्रिपा तुमरी कबहूं मुख ते नही अछर हउ करि हौं ॥ O Chandi! I cannot utter a syllable from my mouth without Thy Grace; here this is another wrong interpetations as term Chand is refred and not Chandi. Here Chand does refer to speed or superio qaulity(Ati Dut Prachand). In your Punjabi Chand does not mean godess but a slap on the face and God is in fact slap on the face of Guru Dokhis.Speed is one name of God and that is Chand. ਤੁਮਰੋ ਕਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਿਧੋ ਤੁਲਹਾ ਜਿਮ ਬਾਕ ਸਮੁੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਿਖੈ ਤਰਿਹੌਂ ॥੫॥ तुमरो कर नामु किधो तुलहा जिम बाक समुंद्र बिखै तरिहौं ॥५॥ I can ferry across the ocean of Poesy, on only the boat of Thy Name ਰੇ ਮਨ ਭਜ ਤੂੰ ਸਾਰਦਾ ਅਨਗਨ ਗੁਨ ਹੈ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ रे मन भज तूं सारदा अनगन गुन है जाहि ॥ O mind! Remember the goddess Sharda of innumerable qualities; Rember that in Akal ustat Akal is refred as Sarda but what does it means. Sa(with)Ra(stay)Da(give) gift which stays for ever and that is education and education is also God and what proeblem do you have if God is refred to as education. Das realy find strange that the way he has to teach protestant Chrsitians the Gurmat in the same way does he tells the fellow sikhs who oppose Dasham Granth Sahib JI. ਰਚੌ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਇਹ ਭਾਗਵਤ ਜਉ ਵੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਾਹਿ ॥੬॥ रचौ ग्रंथ इह भागवत जउ वै क्रिपा कराहि ॥६॥ And if she be kind, I may compose this Granth (based on) Bhagavata (this book is created,Vagina/source/Bhag posser who that did mercy) Granth is created by mercy of creator. ਸੰਕਟ ਹਰਨ ਸਭ ਸਿੱਧਕੀ ਕਰਨ ਚੰਡ ਤਾਰਨ ਤਰਨ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਲੋਚਨ ਬਿਸਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ संकट हरन सभ सिधकी करन चंड तारन तरन शरन लोचन बिसाल है ॥ The large-eyed Chandika is the remover of all sufferings, the donor of powers and support of the helpless in ferrying across the fearful ocean of the world; Again Chand ie Akal is refered here and if you talk of eyes then,Kripa Katakh ie eyes of mercy for Akal in guru Granth Sahib Ji. why eys gigantic is writtan here for God as it is metaphor for God can see everything so with the largest eye. ਆਦਿ ਜਾਕੈ ਆਹਮ ਹੈ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਉਬਾਰਨ ਕਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਹੈ ॥ आदि जाकै आहम है अंत को न पारावार शरन उबारन करन प्रतिपाल है ॥ It is difficult to know her beginning and end, she emancipates and sustains him, who takes refuge in her, This is again used for God as Devi was made by various gods so start of devi is know and again told in Durga Ki var as been made by Akal only but this one is limitless so Akal. ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਭੁਖ ਜਾਰਨ ਸੋ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਛਡਾਏ ਜਮਜਾਲ ਹੈ॥ असुर संघारन अनिक भुख जारन सो पतित उधारन छडाए जमजाल है॥ She destroys the demons, finishes various types of desires and saves from the noose of death; again this is for Akal. ਅੱਦ੍ਰ ਸੁਤਾ ਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਤਨਯਾ ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਰਤਾ ਫੁਨਿ ਜੋਊ ॥ अद्र सुता हूं की जो तनया महिखासुर की मरता फुनि जोऊ ॥ She, who is the daughter of the mountain and the destroyer of Mahishasura; doughter of humidity is that(or) Doughter who killed Mahekhasur again that.It may meand Parvati or Amba(two are differnat as one is doaughter of Parvatraj while other was made by powers givne by various demigod to kill Maheeshsur as union of various powers). Guru tells that in real Parvati or Amba both are that(Akal). ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ कुवलीआ पीड़ु आपि मराइदा पिआरा करि बालक रूपि पचाहा ॥२॥ kuvlee-aa peerh aap maraa-idaa pi-aaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa. ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| Ang606 and 607 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਰਾਜਹਿ ਕੀ ਦਿਵਯਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਬਧ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭਹਿ ਦੋਊ ॥ इंद्र को राजहि की दिवया करता बध सु्मभ निसु्मभहि दोऊ ॥ She, who is the bestower of the kingdom on India by killing Sumbh and Nisumbh; Akal only gave kingdom to arch angel and killed Sumbha and Nisumbha. ਜੋ ਜਪ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਸੇਵ ਕਰੈ ਬਰ ਕੋ ਸੁ ਲਹੈ ਮਨ ਇੱਛਤਾ ਸੋਊ ॥ जो जप कै इह सेव करै बर को सु लहै मन इछता सोऊ ॥ He, who remembers and serves her, he receives the reward to his heart`s desire, (one who rembers and serves Akal does get intened fruit/blessing).As salvation occur. here Guru did not forget Akal but you have and so anyone who forgets Akal does looses the place from Panth but you are not to be balmed but akal wants you to act like that.Guru clearly tells that actual acts of Devi are from Akal and Akal has all the qaulities.Das hope you lost a bit of Duja Bhav or duality. yuo forget about few thing before and After. Sabre embleme I (am) in refuge of you and by your hand(Sir Upper Kar is aslo in guru Granth Sahib Ji) salvage me,in all places help me,Save me from evil faults. then it comes Mercy was done on me by mother of iuniverse and Book(this is perhaps Sumat Prakash dealiing with Triya Charitat and now clubbed in Dasham Granth(in past there was a conflict to weather to keep various Granths as one or to separate them but not about aouther who was verylyy Guru and S. Mahitab Singh made it to be united as one) ) so mother of univere did mercy on us and book was compled with asupicty (rata may not mean night but also mean staying). Then Kilbhikh Sabhe Deh Ko Harta(all evils of body remover) Dust Dokhian Ko Chhai Karta(eliminator of evil defualter) had this been a female sex then it should have been Harti and Karti but let it even be Karti or Harti Thehn next liine Sri Asidhuj Jab Bhaye Dayala(wwhen Sabre embleme became mercyfull) Puran Kara Granth Tatkala(Book was compled at that time only). so das hope that Jagat Mata and Kargketu,Asiketu,Asidhuj both means the sabe emblem and that is one whose flag does Sabre(swrod without round holder ie Khanda) exsists. And Flag of Devi has Swatika on it. or perhaps Trishul. at star also term Sri Asiket Jagat Ke Issa(Sir Sabre emblum Lord of universe) and Sri Asiket Jagat Ke Natha(Same thing)does comes in same Chaupayee. by the way if we see guru Granth Sahib when Akal is refered as Tu Mera Pita Tu hai Mera Mata(Yuo are my father and you are my mother) Tum Mat Pita Hum Bareek Tere(you are our father and mother and we are your childern) Har Ji Mata Har Ji Pita(God is mother ,God is Father). so that all also perhaps touch about Devi Chandika if we go by you. It is male chuovisim that Grils are forced to be takening amrit and keski but god can never be addressed as feamle but as male only. not your fault but protestant influnecs as thier god is male and made man as his image and women came later from rib. So you are realy proestant more then to be a Sikh. Chand/Durga/Chandi/Bhavani all are name of Gurbar Akal and that is mother of universe rahter both mother and Father.If Akal can be Baap(Father) Beethla(Super space God)(Guru Granth Sahib Ji) then why not not Jagat Mata. Das requset you to do not ry to be like Dasham Patshah till you do not understand the concept of the God he worshipped and was with the same or else das does not want to dishurtens you as yet. yuo still have that hell in your mind as a fear factor which is keeping you away from Akal. Had you been nyra or detached then you would not have had fear of hindus or Brahmins which you call hell. He was full of jatt influnce and das finds same a bit in you. Read the book on Singh Sabh movement by Sikh missioany collage and you will find that Prof Gurmukh Singh was partial to jatt students.He even took help with that Brahimin converted to Sikhism who was the main reason of defeat of Sikhs in Anglo Sikh war and das has full right to question. Das is aware that actual good for panth was done more by Bhai Veer Singh Ji or Bhai Randheer Singh Ji or Dr Sahib Singh or Sri 108 Kahan Singh Ji of Nabha and das finds no problem to raise finger on Prof Gurmukh Singh ji ,when Sikh missionary collage can raise the same in thier book. no it was done at later stage and mina part was played by both traditon Nihungs and neo Akalis and offf couse Nirmalas and Taksal also. Das is Sikh and is daring what Guru orders him to dare and if you call it brahminical or RSS then you may call it.And do what so ever you can do,you may kill das but das will never doubt Guruneither in Raagmala nor in Gurbani of Tenth Master,Das is happy that you have doubt because das is aware that by this Guru has forsaken you and your coming gegerations will loose pnth like our brother plamb of sikhtimes.com. So far you have proved yourself much away from nyrapan(Detachment) and Khalas(purly understadning God in all).By the way das would like to know that from which book you get word Khalsa?Do you know? and do not feel frustrated. It has been more then 8 years. and by the way Prof Sahib Singh Ji,Gyani Bhag Singh Ji Ambala etc all were also converts so was Swami Ram Tirath Singh.So does it mean that beo converts are all naive so does it mean Bhai Nand Lal Singh also.so mnay points if we see by neo convertees are usless then whole book by Amabala Sahib becomes absurd on this account.Again upto you. but are you sure about the basic principle of Gurmat if yes then describe our god first if you can?Do you know who is your God?Where doe that God lives? and what all does that God do? Tell das about the God of Sikhs first and then let us disicde that who knows Panth better anyway das does not know anything but Akal knows all and is in all. very great very great! but do you know that amabala Sahib may also have been from same Arya Samaj.anyway you do not have to be frustrated as Das has eaten beef which you may not tased as yet(from your anger das finds you from more nerar AkJ the Kala Afghana Sahib as they do not go for jingoism but tlak logic). and anyone who is reconverted or converted in gurmat from hindus das generaly recomends eating of beef,eating meat on tuesdays just to prove that,that person is not an imposter.Anyway old scrioptures of Vedas also do not oppose such food. We are near to Holy Vedas but nerarer Holy Bible and nearest to Holy Kuran but first we need to understand Guru Granth Sahib Ji first. anyway fi you are from Kala Afghana Sahib then das would like to tell you that das is a real fan of him and after consulting still we can have deeper meaning of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Verses of Dasham Granth Sahib much nearer to those interpetations. When das gets the cahnce to visit Canada or weather Kala Afghana Sahib visit India das will try to meet him. But the way you have ignored the referance givne by Guru Granth Sahib Ji bu das inprevious posts and shown the anger das due to past in intelligence angency of India can say that you have some infulince of JS Talwara syndrome of AKJ but not AKJ people are like that. In fact many of the AKJ people helped das tounderstand Japu Sahib,Chaupayee Sahib,Ardas and Vachitar Natak and have been das's role model.So just try to be like them as Bhai Randheer Singh Ji also lied both Chaupayee Sahib and Ardas also and das has documentray prrof of that. So cool down and stop acting like child.

Gurfateh Dear Charlse, bEfore das starts das just wants to say that no one can tell the total numbers in infinty and it itself is a sort of defination and God can only be like that. Gurfateh Das would like to say that as such in phuysics we are not able to get that thing in real actualy ie indivisble if we see in the frame of space,time or mass. This is the definition of 'atomic' that i was using in my previous post: Then behod God as entire of visible and invisible tihngs taken togather and indivible due to being continues. das was telling something about God which is difficult to be compared with single physical entity as god is incompareable in many aspects. It can work just assume the realtive statesment being made by Das just to porve something absolute.Try again.Say for Water. h2oh2oh2o h2oh2oh2o h2oh20h20 Say all these are reperesenting say ocean but all are same h2o and say let us have another stream of h2oh20h2o If we use this stream to make a visible boundary for cutting ocean and all other attributes of either are same we will not be able to cut water. Water is an examaple lie people use indivudaul soul as an examplme but in truth both are false as being physical and it still you can not cut ocean with stream of same ocean water.Stream is part of continuity. so thier exapme is been givne to let you understand the attribute of god ie contunity. Yes Das actualy wanted you to understand that all atomes are false.And all are actual one and the same God and even Logic is false due to being based upon illogical axioms. what we see is only apparant as someone conotroling us make us to see while we all are actualy continuols and homogenous. So far by logic quantum theroy taking on mulityuniverse within the same space is also illogical but yet it can preoved by some other observations which can so far be hypothicated but when scinece reaches there we can have other answers. In past heavan was held to be truth but at present it is also false but it is universe(Sky is not above us either which by observing may look above our head but say on the other side of the gloobe it is under our feet and that also be various small and big circlies and diameters. When we talk of God we need to understand that logic is also not perfect either. Yes Sea or water are not God but like the continuity of water when other same type of water tries to divide it remains continuose still in the same way when we say atom1 gap atom2 three are nothing but one God and yes three are one and if we see by logic that we se them three then it is apparnt and hense false. atom1 ie enrgy atom2 is enrgy and gap joining them has energy joioning them then three are energy(and enrgy is also God). Bonds of Atoms due to chemical or gravitational form are due to energy.And enrrgy does passes the Gap also there fore. Again it is just been told by relative stament to tell about concept of continuity. So far logic and sicne are withing God and not above God. In fact still your sience can not say why does combustion happens in us ie we take water and food and with oxygen we get Energy and gets by product of Carban Di oxide.So far photosynthisis 's reason can not be explaned. Das is asking why does it happens and not how. and in fact sayiing that God is constrained by nature or logic is also someting which so far has n ot been proven.As matter may defy nature laws like say briging back to life of lazarus there chemcal change got reversed.Without father also did Mother mary had a son. Yes it may happen that just by super elercromaganiticfied of a person chemical things can be reveresed ie Lord Jesus did it to Lazarus. Unnatural a same sex can produe perhaps one in millium both Ova and egg.There are mnay exeptions to logic and natural laws. Recently das herad that in UK AIDS was cured and study is on for that. Your logic or sicnce says that a person can not live withour oxygen say for 10 minutes. It was shown in descovery in AIMS Delhi that a person was kept in small cabin(without oxygen for long then 10 minutes) for Two days. He used Yoga(premutation and combination of atoms to regenrate oxygen vai carban di oxide withing body). so attempts to bring God under lawas of nature is making God a not God.God is God as God takes care of Scince and Logic and can alter them as God wants. As in past we had oour Atomsphere more with Carbon Di Oxcide but later after unicelluars orgainsims came to make food by light we had oxgen as more.Logically why they did no one could tell.and still mn ay anaerobics organism also exists which could have stayed without making food from light. Laslty why can not same thing exist simluotainously with two roles both at same time.Say our nose can take air and can sense smell also at one place and at one time. Das just want you to assume Nose as one entity like he did for Ocean so that they can be more like one God and no one like that God exisits. you took it as constraint while this is an attribute and it has more to do with continuity. Indivisblity comes as any other matter or thing which we could use to divide is same as God and same God can not be seprarted by same God inot Two. Das hopes you have got it or das can further keep on trying till God wants. Because the place or space is also false or relative based upon matter. ie Two things are seen then only we say that they are at distance from realtion of one and another.But if both the things apprantly at two difernt place are one then there will be no distance left between them as both are one unit only.this happens in multidemisions ie for all things which exisits. creation is God only and God is one and creation is false as it is only from taken by God. Truth is that two differant entities are all but one say you,das and distance between two if all are but one God then as individual thrree things are false but God is trueth only.It is only apparant say like we make shadow from both of arms looking like horse but trruth is not that(this only a realtive statmetn to let you understand the thing). das is sooroy that so far his attempts have taken you off the track but still das will try say God is in atom1 the Gap and atom2 so there is continuity of single one. all the things which are entiy apprantly are the entity till God wants that to be appaered as an entity and wneh we reach realistion of Truth,the Duja bhav(Concept of Duality goes away).And das thinks that youare coming a bit nearere to what das meant.God only knows how near. and yes Atom is not an entity as it was made say by hydrogen(which keeps on fussing to give more chemicals say in star) and same hydrogen was formed by energy and can change back to the origeonal form of one continuose for of energy called Alfa in Angeel. it is continous. It is correct that we can not unite our souls(Read Sprit) with God as we do not have any thing which is ouor and only relaisation of Truth by mercy of God can happen(still a relatuive statement. Take continuty over indivisiabilty as all apparnt tools to didive are God only. yes this is the truth.As individual for us it is not poosbile till God does it.In fact all things which compose us is God and same wants us to think ourself as entity and same is Truth.If this thing is realsied then we are found to be holy Ghost. This elf evidance can not be preoved by Logic. Say laws of man say killing by stoning are man made and could be something due to natural law of human genes or disorder which could be formulated(it is again not absoulte but appaernt thing only). Das would like and explnaion ie Why does Logic is not man made? say by human mind(again das can say it is way Gopd wants it to happen).But Can human explain why? We still can not say why did it happen? and contradictions also can happen anyway like there was some Catholic bishop who did dfied the gravity also. Logic is God(we can say from or manfestaion of God) but it is dynamic. First and formost das would lie to say that we must not use term He for God as God is not Man or women as being in both. Logic is one with God,And all men are nothing else but God and as God is King of Kings it is silly ofr us to bound God with any laws which we apparnlty ptrecive be it any Testment or be it any interpetation of Sikh books which says that God is anyway bounded by something appereing to be created. Das can say that there are many exceptions and as told about before and in fact Jeruslama can come back on erath aslo which by sceince and Logic does not look a realty at all.and those exections gives us one thing that God is one who creates Laws and can destroy them and make new one(Truth is that they are nothing else but apprant change in the form of one God).say Old Testment and New Testment.This is dynamism that at one opint of time order was to stone to death while at other time only thise were asked to stone who sined not.They were also told to judge not or you will be judged. Das can say that there are mnay thing is which since is yet to understand but Bible had it in. Say it is even true that in one refreance frame still Sun is moving aruond the earth.But we need to redifine the concept of space. Das can say God take test of Us(God is there to) and if want does make us pass it. If we read the book of Job acutly Satan was sent to him by god to test him so his misry were for his good.Human mind anyway can fail us but that is also God. das repeats that there are mnay things which God can do which prove that God is above logic or Nature and coming to Satan in fact same lucifer is let loose is also a will of God,Rember that God is omnipotant and can defy scince and logic and attempt to show glory of God a limited and finite can not be work of Godly but of Satan(these are realtive terms as for Us Satan is false and appaent and Truth is only one God). You said: We can do mistake by understadning it as Girrafe or Okapi.Thats what das wanted to convey.(this is also apparnt thing). But God is above logic and reason even if hypothatically Das belives that you say Good made logic and reason. anyway Das can say that had God made it or created it(not the manfiestation) then who could have made the space where God made that? Say God made space then God needed some sapce to exist to make that space,and who made that space?Das is asking you about flalcy of reason or logic when it comes to God. so far in Genesis we see God in the form of sprit making everthing. Sprit occupies the space.Who made that space?for the exsitance of God which occupies some sapce(Heavan as Throne and Earth as footstool) space should be before that God and there should be another God who makes that sapce for that God. das wants to ask you about falasy of Logic and reason here itself. Only answer here could be that God by self is space and by self takes appaernt form(s) which are nothing but God(sun Samdhi Aap) ie onsrobing Zero(nothing) but God only. it is due to your understanding time as somthing true. Had time being True then revaltions at the end of Anjeel would have been just a hoax.They are true as there is something bigger then time and can control time and can make time to move as that want.Which is ,which was and which is to come. wor was reason of creation(Gospel of saint John) and it exisited and it exsit and it will be in future.(this is apparnt ans Word is God only). Say when Lord Says that his father works in him and may say our father in heavan and it can happen that both may exist at same time at two differnt places.Say when holy ghost decended God did not vacated the throne nor son who sits on rightside. Same God asks for removal of cup and same God sents an angel to reafirm the faith. Just relative term that same internet can exists in UK and USA.all is one only,. Only God exist continously. it is not uninion or reunion but realsation of truth or self recoganistion.That is only by will of God,that god only knows about truth. Yes there is a problem whith das that he is still not being albe to let you understand another Concpt of our faith. Ie if God is everwhere then how can we act(sin or Good) at all or are individual entities(Last part of Gauri Sukhmani). so we no concept of reuninon as we already are one in God.another Realtive term say Das alreadyis wearingcloath then how can das wear them again but das must know that Cloaths are on his body. dass hopes you have understood something by now by mercy of God.For das you are God making das sing glory to the same by self.God Bless and Yehove have mecy on all.

Gurfateh As All names are owned by God so all Names are of God and God is Anam(Namelss). One Name is Yehove derived from Oankar or Om.

Gurfateh Dear Brother(Amritpal Singh Ji), do you have any idea of rival group of Mahant Gurbax Rai ,who set up dera at Srinagar.Perhaps they could be the Ram Raias we are told to stay away. Das can viait Srinagar in summers to see if that exist still or not but first das wants to confirm if they exist or not from yourself.

Gurfateh Brother Tsingh Ji, If das is not mistaken Ramraias Guru told us to dis accociate were those who killed Baba Ram Rai yet used used his name to claim to be his followers. While actual followers of Baba Ram Ray became Udasis and still are Udasis.In Delhi also das did saw his Dear in Jhandewalan Area.Term Guru they used is not for Satguru but for Gurudev Ram Rai.This is differnat in the case of sodis of Guru Harsahi ie Minas.

Gurfateh Dear Charlse, As God is incomaparble(Anoop) so it is difficult to tell about that by giving example of physical objects but Gurbani trys to use say one object to tell about some attribute. In comaprable here was used just to tell that there could be no other like God.So Das will further try to put as God wants him to type. Here if we talk in term of physics then we can say that atomos can also be diintiegrated into say Protons,neutrons,Electrons etc. Proton can be further converted into Postron and Neutrion till al is converted back to energy. so here undivisbilty may be refer to continuty of homgenous thing. Say tell us take water of ocean.waves may be diffeent type but water is one which is true and having various form.Or say sparks or shape of fire or say dust.But they can be separted by some non water.non fire or non dust part. But when we come to God say in atoms say(Atom1) and (Atom2) both are God say Atom1=Atom2=God and even when they are bounded as mixture or compoound say (atom1)Conncetion(atom2) in real it is (God)God(God) and even ( and ) also is equal to God so GodGodGodGodGodGodGod and all is one God. dAs can say all legs are legs of God as all tings belong to God and as God is in them so all legs are nothing but God. God is continues and that is coorect and das is realy happy that he is little bit successfull to let you understand something but it should be lie that that in universe nothing else but God only exists. Yes Hevan is also God as neither and earth are. Das or any one can not do this as we do not have our souls as Soul is God and God can only unite it is like realsig the Truth that we are united already. Soul is same as God. Spirit is apprant thing looking differnt from God but by will of God this differance is there else it is also God. Yes in truth there one God which is indivisble ,continuous and homogenous but may not appear the same to all. Das is ahppy that you have understood some extent which we call Duja Bhav(concept of Dulatiy ie being something other then God) Das will touch logic latter on. coming to reunion,separation is apparant only as God wants to act by self so same God acts as separate at one manifesationand same does act one there and then. In fact union is done by God when actualy God only starts to be seen evrywhere and in all. We all are having Same God in ourself and outside too and infact no differnet body,sprit or soul exsits but God. The way we dream/think ourselves doing say kicking the football into the goal postand ourselves defending the same goal post as goalkeeper it is simlar that God is at both and at all the sides. Das just made it as relative staement to let you know. Same homgenous thing called God makes such arrangement that we find ourbody and brain and differnt one for others but same let us know that we are one ,same and not differnat from anything outside our Body. So salvation in us is to rtecoganse our true self but not by ourslef but true self ie God,thatself. when we comoe to logic then we must understand that it is based upon axioms which can not be explained by logic itslef but are taken foregranted. In India thats what we are told about axioms. Like logacally we can say that ball falls on earth OK? Due to Gravity(logical answer) Why is gravity(Nature of Earth or Mass is to attract other mass) Even is some nuclar explantion is Givne then further we can not explanin by reason and say it is its nature but why is tis nature? This is axiom.This thing is taken foregranted by observations and results of experiments but may not be logical others could be big Bang or sturdy state hypothiesiss. more on observations and descriptions. Apparntly God can act as differant and away from creation just for those God wants them to precive and those are also nothing but God so showing slef to self in differnt ways and seeing self in diffeernt way.(ape Data Ape Bhugta) This can be there till we deem our soul as our and ourslef as an entity which is false as we are temporary and time bound. Say if we do not know about camel and see it,we may not recoganise it and may give it differnt name but if some tells us about Camel before hand then we can recogansie Camel but logically why should we call camel a camel just as some one at erlier stage defined it as such. so if we Go by as told by God by own manifestations in the form of Guides(Guru Panth) and Scripture(Gurbani) we are made to see that we are we but that God only by That God.Even without following any guide or Book then also God can let us recoganise ourself as(atam Cheene)God thatself. the way waves are in water nothing else but water but same water can not be didived by same water.all is water in general.Das wants you to understand that here we are not treating water as bound of H2O.But as single entity. Creation is apparant and false as God took this from and can be back in the orgeonal form.Say you may change your face with changes of expression but you still are the one.So creation what you call is only temporary form of one God and itslef is One. See that mass is made up of energy only and gaps are filled by the same.And all forms of energy also has same unit joules and can change one form into another but still is one like Light energy-Device-elecrtical enrgy Light energy=God -=meduim of trasfer made up of matter ie energy=God Device=mass=energy=God electrical energy=God so you can not have any thing in the form of discontnuity over here and God is one only.Apparntly in differnt form. Soul or what you seem to refer the spirit is nothing but form of God ,till God wants it to appear individualy it is apparntly like that but when God wants truth to be relised then sprit foounds itslef in Holy Ghost ie no spirit is left futher. Till we say that our soul(read Spirit) is differnt from others and that also differnt from God till then this problem can come into our way. To over come that problem das can give you some tips. Say some one did tell you about Camel and you belived it and could recoganise camel. So fi you have faith and can with faith see God in all matter,space and time and energy and sprit and soul you may realise the truth. but for that will of God is nessasry and God also wants that God is relaised to the same form God which is apparntly Charlse Murphy.Same form via vijaydeep Singh trys to explain and same one does trys to understand in the from of Charlse murphy and same will recoganise if wants and not if does not. It is not mysitism as all is in front of us.Reason for saying that salvation is in hand of God was this only.

Gurfateh Well time has come to show door to those guys who want to misinterpret the Bani of Tenth Master via linage og Prof Gurmukh Singh,BS Amabala and GS Kala Afghana. You will have answer to all. Read it carefully and in the language used by Guru and not the interp[etations by those people who will later try to edit Guru Granth Sahib Ji also. Say DEvi is praised but after being told as creation of Akal.Devtas are told as insect in front of Akal.So all are later told as Attrbutes of Akal. Better is to understand Gurmat before as till we have Duja Bhav we will keep on buring our blood in anxity. By the way why did Rasool(PBUH) and Mehdi Meer are metioned?Was that so called Brhimin as Muslim? To show lower castes the realtiy of thier oppseror for ages and that also in thier own tongue can be a vulagrity for those who have brought Brahmanism or Jattism is Panth but for lowe caste it is call of revloution. Friend! Tapsya means that we need to work hard to get something it could mean Kirat also. And you did not read that it signifys the fact that even after Tap person did reborn as Khalsa,People who do Tap can be reborn as Khalsa and then only did salvation occur. And by Teh way Mahakal Kalka means super death of time(destroyer of time) within samer Vachitar Natak Akal is termed as Kal or Mahakal(shiva here).There are mani instance like Salok Mahal 9,where Ram is used both for Lord Rama and for Akal.So if teken one meanig then it could be disatrous. Better is to study what Guru Granth Sahib Ji convey before judging the so called contradictions. See ang 23 just one of the many verse below ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੩ ॥ सिरीरागु महला १ घरु ३ ॥ sireeraag mehlaa 1 ghar 3. Siree Raag, First Mehl, Third House: ਇਹੁ ਤਨੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਬੀਜੁ ਕਰਮਾ ਕਰੋ ਸਲਿਲ ਆਪਾਉ ਸਾਰਿੰਗਪਾਣੀ ॥ इहु तनु धरती बीजु करमा करो सलिल आपाउ सारिंगपाणी ॥ ih tan Dhartee beej karmaa karo salil aapaa-o saaringpaanee. Make this body the field, and plant the seed of good actions. Water it with the Name of the Lord, who holds all the world in His Hands. ਮਨੁ ਕਿਰਸਾਣੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਜੰਮਾਇ ਲੈ ਇਉ ਪਾਵਸਿ ਪਦੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਣੀ ॥੧॥ मनु किरसाणु हरि रिदै जमाइ लै इउ पावसि पदु निरबाणी ॥१॥ man kirsaan har ridai jammaa-ay lai i-o paavas pad nirbaanee. ||1|| Let your mind be the farmer; the Lord shall sprout in your heart, and you shall attain the state of Nirvaanaa. ||1|| ਕਾਹੇ ਗਰਬਸਿ ਮੂੜੇ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ काहे गरबसि मूड़े माइआ ॥ kaahay garbas moorhay maa-i-aa. You fool! Why are you so proud of Maya? ਪਿਤ ਸੁਤੋ ਸਗਲ ਕਾਲਤ੍ਰ ਮਾਤਾ ਤੇਰੇ ਹੋਹਿ ਨ ਅੰਤਿ ਸਖਾਇਆ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ पित सुतो सगल कालत्र माता तेरे होहि न अंति सखाइआ ॥ रहाउ ॥ pit suto sagal kaaltar maataa tayray hohi na ant sakhaa-i-aa. rahaa-o. Father, children, spouse, mother and all relatives-they shall not be your helpers in the end. ||Pause|| ਬਿਖੈ ਬਿਕਾਰ ਦੁਸਟ ਕਿਰਖਾ ਕਰੇ ਇਨ ਤਜਿ ਆਤਮੈ ਹੋਇ ਧਿਆਈ ॥ बिखै बिकार दुसट किरखा करे इन तजि आतमै होइ धिआई ॥ bikhai bikaar dusat kirkhaa karay in taj aatmai ho-ay Dhi-aa-ee. So weed out evil, wickedness and corruption; leave these behind, and let your soul meditate on God. ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਹੋਹਿ ਜਬ ਰਾਖੇ ਕਮਲੁ ਬਿਗਸੈ ਮਧੁ ਆਸ੍ਰਮਾਈ ॥੨॥ जपु तपु संजमु होहि जब राखे कमलु बिगसै मधु आस्रमाई ॥२॥ jap tap sanjam hohi jab raakhay kamal bigsai maDh aasarmaa-ee. ||2|| When chanting, austere meditation and self-discipline become your protectors, then the lotus blossoms forth, and the honey trickles out. ||2|| ਬੀਸ ਸਪਤਾਹਰੋ ਬਾਸਰੋ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਹੈ ਤੀਨਿ ਖੋੜਾ ਨਿਤ ਕਾਲੁ ਸਾਰੈ ॥ बीस सपताहरो बासरो संग्रहै तीनि खोड़ा नित कालु सारै ॥ bees saptaahro baasro sangrahai teen khorhaa nit kaal saarai. Bring the twenty-seven elements of the body under your control, and throughout the three stages of life, remember death. ਦਸ ਅਠਾਰ ਮੈ ਅਪਰੰਪਰੋ ਚੀਨੈ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਇਵ ਏਕੁ ਤਾਰੈ ॥੩॥੨੬॥ दस अठार मै अपर्मपरो चीनै कहै नानकु इव एकु तारै ॥३॥२६॥ das athaar mai aprampro cheenai kahai naanak iv ayk taarai. ||3||26|| See the Infinite Lord in the ten directions, and in all the variety of nature. Says Nanak, in this way, the One Lord shall carry you across. ||3||26|| so you want to say that Akal is bounded that anyone who does Tapa can not be givne chance to be reborn as Khalsa.OK that could be in Christians and so called Sikhs with Christian influnce(here Christian refer to protestanats like Luthranianas). Then see Ang 553 and is this also interpoltated. ਪਉੜੀ ॥ पउड़ी ॥ pa-orhee. Pauree: ਆਪੇ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਗਣ ਗੰਧਰਬਾ ਆਪੇ ਖਟ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ आपे सुरि नर गण गंधरबा आपे खट दरसन की बाणी ॥ aapay sur nar gan ganDharbaa aapay khat darsan kee banee. He Himself is the angelic being, the heavenly herald, and the celestial singer. He Himself is the one who explains the six schools of philosophy. ਆਪੇ ਸਿਵ ਸੰਕਰ ਮਹੇਸਾ ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥ आपे सिव संकर महेसा आपे गुरमुखि अकथ कहाणी ॥ aapay siv sankar mahaysaa aapay gurmukh akath kahaanee. He Himself is Shiva, Shankara and Mahaysh; He Himself is the Gurmukh, who speaks the Unspoken Speech. ਆਪੇ ਜੋਗੀ ਆਪੇ ਭੋਗੀ ਆਪੇ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਫਿਰੈ ਬਿਬਾਣੀ ॥ आपे जोगी आपे भोगी आपे संनिआसी फिरै बिबाणी ॥ aapay jogee aapay bhogee aapay sani-aasee firai bibaanee. He Himself is the Yogi, He Himself is the Sensual Enjoyer, and He Himself is the Sannyaasee, wandering through the wilderness. ਆਪੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਗੋਸਟਿ ਆਪਿ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਆਪੇ ਸੁਘੜੁ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਸਿਆਣੀ ॥ आपै नालि गोसटि आपि उपदेसै आपे सुघड़ु सरूपु सिआणी ॥ aapai naal gosat aap updaysai aapay sugharh saroop si-aanee. He discusses with Himself, and He teaches Himself; He Himself is discrete, graceful and wise. ਆਪਣਾ ਚੋਜੁ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪੇ ਆਪੇ ਸਭਨਾ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਹੈ ਜਾਣੀ ॥੧੨॥ आपणा चोजु करि वेखै आपे आपे सभना जीआ का है जाणी ॥१२॥ aapnaa choj kar vaykhai aapay aapay sabhnaa jee-aa kaa hai jaanee. ||12|| Staging His own play, He Himself watches it; He Himself is the Knower of all beings. ||12|| See Ang 361 and 360 ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ आसा महला १ ॥ aasaa mehlaa 1. Aasaa, First Mehl: ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਮਨੈ ਮਹਿ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ ਖਿੰਥਾ ਖਿਮਾ ਹਢਾਵਉ ॥ गुर का सबदु मनै महि मुंद्रा खिंथा खिमा हढावउ ॥ gur kaa sabad manai meh mundraa khinthaa khimaa hadhaava-o. Let the Word of the Guru's Shabad be the ear-rings in your mind, and wear the patched coat of tolerance. ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰੈ ਭਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਉ ਸਹਜ ਜੋਗ ਨਿਧਿ ਪਾਵਉ ॥੧॥ जो किछु करै भला करि मानउ सहज जोग निधि पावउ ॥१॥ jo kichh karai bhalaa kar maan-o sahj jog niDh paava-o. ||1|| Whatever the Lord does, look upon that as good; thus you shall obtain the treasure of Sehj Yoga. ||1|| ਬਾਬਾ ਜੁਗਤਾ ਜੀਉ ਜੁਗਹ ਜੁਗ ਜੋਗੀ ਪਰਮ ਤੰਤ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਗੰ ॥ बाबा जुगता जीउ जुगह जुग जोगी परम तंत महि जोगं ॥ baabaa jugtaa jee-o jugah jug jogee param tant meh jogaN. O father, the soul which is united in union as a Yogi, remains united in the supreme essence throughout the ages. ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਗਿਆਨ ਕਾਇਆ ਰਸ ਭੋਗੰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ अम्रितु नामु निरंजन पाइआ गिआन काइआ रस भोगं ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ amrit naam niranjan paa-i-aa gi-aan kaa-i-aa ras bhogaN. ||1|| rahaa-o. One who has obtained the Ambrosial Naam, the Name of the Immaculate Lord - his body enjoys the pleasure of spiritual wisdom. ||1||Pause|| ਸਿਵ ਨਗਰੀ ਮਹਿ ਆਸਣਿ ਬੈਸਉ ਕਲਪ ਤਿਆਗੀ ਬਾਦੰ ॥ सिव नगरी महि आसणि बैसउ कलप तिआगी बादं ॥ siv nagree meh aasan baisa-o kalap ti-aagee baadaN. In the Lord's City, he sits in his Yogic posture, and he forsakes his desires and conflicts. ਸਿੰਙੀ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਦਾ ਧੁਨਿ ਸੋਹੈ ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਨਾਦੰ ॥੨॥ सिंङी सबदु सदा धुनि सोहै अहिनिसि पूरै नादं ॥२॥ sinyee sabad sadaa Dhun sohai ahinis poorai naadaN. ||2|| The sound of the horn ever rings out its beautiful melody, and day and night, he is filled with the sound current of the Naad. ||2|| ਪਤੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਤਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਵਰਤਮਾਨ ਬਿਭੂਤੰ ॥ पतु वीचारु गिआन मति डंडा वरतमान बिभूतं ॥ pat veechaar gi-aan mat dandaa varatmaan bibhootaN. My cup is reflective meditation, and spiritual wisdom is my walking stick; to dwell in the Lord's Presence is the ashes I apply to my body. ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪੰਥੁ ਅਤੀਤੰ ॥੩॥ हरि कीरति रहरासि हमारी गुरमुखि पंथु अतीतं ॥३॥ har keerat rahraas hamaaree gurmukh panth ateetaN. ||3|| The Praise of the Lord is my occupation; and to live as Gurmukh is my pure religion. ||3|| ਸਗਲੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਸੰਮਿਆ ਨਾਨਾ ਵਰਨ ਅਨੇਕੰ ॥ सगली जोति हमारी समिआ नाना वरन अनेकं ॥ saglee jot hamaaree sammi-aa naanaa varan anaykaN. My arm-rest is to see the Lord's Light in all, although their forms and colors are so numerous. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਣਿ ਭਰਥਰਿ ਜੋਗੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਿਵ ਏਕੰ ॥੪॥੩॥੩੭॥ कहु नानक सुणि भरथरि जोगी पारब्रहम लिव एकं ॥४॥३॥३७॥ kaho naanak sun bharthar jogee paarbarahm liv aykaN. ||4||3||37|| Says Nanak, listen, O Bharthari Yogi: love only the Supreme Lord God. ||4||3||37|| See Ang 207 ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ गउड़ी महला ५ ॥ ga-orhee mehlaa 5. Gauree, Fifth Mehl: ਤੁਝ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਵਨੁ ਰੀਝਾਵੈ ਤੋਹੀ ॥ तुझ बिनु कवनु रीझावै तोही ॥ tujh bin kavan reejhaavai tohee. Who can please You, except You Yourself? ਤੇਰੋ ਰੂਪੁ ਸਗਲ ਦੇਖਿ ਮੋਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ तेरो रूपु सगल देखि मोही ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ tayro roop sagal daykh mohee. ||1|| rahaa-o. Gazing upon Your Beauteous Form, all are entranced. ||1||Pause|| ਸੁਰਗ ਪਇਆਲ ਮਿਰਤ ਭੂਅ ਮੰਡਲ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਨੋ ਏਕੈ ਓਹੀ ॥ सुरग पइआल मिरत भूअ मंडल सरब समानो एकै ओही ॥ surag pa-i-aal mirat bhoo-a mandal sarab samaano aikai ohee. In the heavenly paradise, in the nether regions of the underworld, on the planet earth and throughout the galaxies, the One Lord is pervading everywhere. ਸਿਵ ਸਿਵ ਕਰਤ ਸਗਲ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਮਇਆ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਤੇਰੀ ਦੋਹੀ ॥੧॥ सिव सिव करत सगल कर जोरहि सरब मइआ ठाकुर तेरी दोही ॥१॥ siv siv karat sagal kar joreh sarab ma-i-aa thaakur tayree dohee. ||1|| Everyone calls upon You with their palms pressed together, saying, "Shiva, Shiva". O Merciful Lord and Master, everyone cries out for Your Help. ||1|| ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਸੁਖਦਾਈ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸੀਤਲੋਹੀ ॥ पतित पावन ठाकुर नामु तुमरा सुखदाई निरमल सीतलोही ॥ patit paavan thaakur naam tumraa sukh-daa-ee nirmal seetlohee. Your Name, O Lord and Master, is the Purifier of sinners, the Giver of peace, immaculate, cooling and soothing. ਗਿਆਨ ਧਿਆਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਸੰਤ ਤੇਰੇ ਸਿਉ ਗਾਲ ਗਲੋਹੀ ॥੨॥੮॥੧੨੯॥ गिआन धिआन नानक वडिआई संत तेरे सिउ गाल गलोही ॥२॥८॥१२९॥ gi-aan Dhi-aan naanak vadi-aa-ee sant tayray si-o gaal galohee. ||2||8||129|| O Nanak, spiritual wisdom, meditation and glorious greatness come from dialogue and discourse with Your Saints. ||2||8||129|| so is not Shiv term used for Akal and Mahakal there is even one who makes Shiv from feet(Kal Ki Payee Bhave Hai Sadshive Kal Ki Paye Bhyo Jugiya Hain)Vachitar Natak. See Ang 606 and 607 ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥ सोरठि महला ४ ॥ sorath mehlaa 4. Sorat'h, Fourth Mehl: ਆਪੇ ਸੇਵਾ ਲਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਉਮਾਹਾ ॥ आपे सेवा लाइदा पिआरा आपे भगति उमाहा ॥ aapay sayvaa laa-idaa pi-aaraa aapay bhagat omaahaa. The Beloved Himself commits some to His service; He Himself blesses them with the joy of devotional worship. ਆਪੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਮਾਹਾ ॥ आपे गुण गावाइदा पिआरा आपे सबदि समाहा ॥ aapay gun gaavaa-idaa pi-aaraa aapay sabad samaahaa. The Beloved Himself causes us to sing His Glorious Praises; He Himself is absorbed in the Word of His Shabad. ਆਪੇ ਲੇਖਣਿ ਆਪਿ ਲਿਖਾਰੀ ਆਪੇ ਲੇਖੁ ਲਿਖਾਹਾ ॥੧॥ आपे लेखणि आपि लिखारी आपे लेखु लिखाहा ॥१॥ aapay laykhan aap likhaaree aapay laykh likhaahaa. ||1|| He Himself is the pen, and He Himself is the scribe; He Himself inscribes His inscription. ||1|| ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਜਪਿ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਓਮਾਹਾ ॥ मेरे मन जपि राम नामु ओमाहा ॥ mayray man jap raam naam omaahaa. O my mind, joyfully chant the Name of the Lord. ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਅਨਦੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਲੈ ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਲਾਹਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ अनदिनु अनदु होवै वडभागी लै गुरि पूरै हरि लाहा ॥ रहाउ ॥ an-din anad hovai vadbhaagee lai gur poorai har laahaa. rahaa-o. Those very fortunate ones are in ecstasy night and day; through the Perfect Guru, they obtain the profit of the Lord's Name. ||Pause|| ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ आपे गोपी कानु है पिआरा बनि आपे गऊ चराहा ॥ aapay gopee kaan hai pi-aaraa ban aapay ga-oo charaahaa. The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ आपे सावल सुंदरा पिआरा आपे वंसु वजाहा ॥ aapay saaval sundraa pi-aaraa aapay vans vajaahaa. The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ कुवलीआ पीड़ु आपि मराइदा पिआरा करि बालक रूपि पचाहा ॥२॥ kuvlee-aa peerh aap maraa-idaa pi-aaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa. ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ आपि अखाड़ा पाइदा पिआरा करि वेखै आपि चोजाहा ॥ aap akhaarhaa paa-idaa pi-aaraa kar vaykhai aap chojaahaa. The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ करि बालक रूप उपाइदा पिआरा चंडूरु कंसु केसु माराहा ॥ kar baalak roop upaa-idaa pi-aaraa chandoor kans kays maaraahaa. The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ आपे ही बलु आपि है पिआरा बलु भंनै मूरख मुगधाहा ॥३॥ aapay hee bal aap hai pi-aaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugDhaahaa. ||3|| The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3|| ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ सभु आपे जगतु उपाइदा पिआरा वसि आपे जुगति हथाहा ॥ sabh aapay jagat upaa-idaa pi-aaraa vas aapay jugat hathaahaa. The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages. ਗਲਿ ਜੇਵੜੀ ਆਪੇ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਜਿਉ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਖਿੰਚੈ ਤਿਉ ਜਾਹਾ ॥ गलि जेवड़ी आपे पाइदा पिआरा जिउ प्रभु खिंचै तिउ जाहा ॥ gal jayvrhee aapay paa-idaa pi-aaraa ji-o parabh khinchai ti-o jaahaa. The Beloved Himself puts the chains around their necks; as God pulls them, must they go. ਜੋ ਗਰਬੈ ਸੋ ਪਚਸੀ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਜਪਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਗਤਿ ਸਮਾਹਾ ॥੪॥੬॥ जो गरबै सो पचसी पिआरे जपि नानक भगति समाहा ॥४॥६॥ jo garbai so pachsee pi-aaray jap naanak bhagat samaahaa. ||4||6|| Whoever harbors pride shall be destroyed, O Beloved; meditating on the Lord, Nanak is absorbed in devotional worship. ||4||6|| Das wants you to know that this is not interpoltion by Vaishav or Brhmanical but Attributes of Hindu diety being given to Akal and same is Given in Dasham Granth Sahib JI. If das want and use the method of Kala Afghana Sahib we can even prove Japu Ji Sahib as by some Brhimin. Better to understand Guru Granth Sahib first and God who is prasied upon and you will understand Dasham Granth there after. With due respect Das can say that Kala Afghana Sahib have so far not understood Guru Granth Sahib Ji and God over there. visit this page and you will get mnay answer about wrong interpetation of Gurbani by Both Amabala Sahib and Kala Afghana Ji. http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversia...ical-study.html Das is stil on job to document flaws being made by book on Dasham Granths by these two great Sikhs mentioned above. Akal bless you and enable you to recogansie the same in both good and evil.(Note as per Kala Afghan Sahib ,Japu Sahib also is not by Guru Maharaj and based upon an absurd interpetations of Guru Granth Sahib Ji). Das requsts you to give verse from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasham Granthy Sahib Ji you find contradictory and das will remove your doubts here and now.

Gurfateh Dear Charles, Das repeats the same thing here that our God is Akhand(undivisable),Achhed(un pregamable),Abhang(un breakable) so we can not have parts of the same lie we can divide the earth by say making Canal. Nearest thing to this could be trying to make part of beam of light with simliar smaller beam in the same direction. This is mrealtive term again.Say by line of air trying to biferacte air. Laslty let us see further, If of the same body two things are idffernt there has to be a border between them.But between tow things does God exist and within Two things two.So not the Part it is more with Bhagwat Gita's interpetations of Hindus. Regarding Sapce,UIt is realtive and any thing can be true which is time tested. While space depends upon the matter ,if object is there then only we have space relative to it.Else it is just apparant and temporary. To be more clearer we can say that no diferance between one atom and whole uinverse as both are God.Only we see by our mind like that they are idffeent. Why? Becasue from atom to univers there is n othing which divides the continuity.All is one Body.With no Gap. Read it again.Das just wanted to tell that till we have faith that dultiy exsit we can never realise the truth but by mercy of God. On the same sapce where you are typing doe Das exist and you and Das and God and universe Exisit.And all the past ,present and futre exsists. Thnks for intereset. They said that till they had ega as beholding themselves as an entity they were not one with God but one God made ego go then they found being one with universe which is one with God. This is not unique to them but to thier God who can let it happen to anyone God wants(In fact such things were mentioned via others Saints ,who were not from Ten Gurus yet thier verse are mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib Ji eg Perhaps Saint Ravidas(Jab Hum Hote To Tu Nahi...) no God can never be divided into Part.God is in whole creation which also is one which could be reasiled at higher level when we trevel in time,when only God is there.While Body may be here in front of world. No ther e is no part of God.A(no) Khand(part) and that is another attribute of our God. Das may lack some presentation skills so forgive him. Sikhs are taought to never forgive anyone(unlike Christians) but we are always told that we are lowest and full of mistake and shuold seek frogiveness from others in whom God lives. See the Paranthesis givne by Das which you did not understood.Hevan or Atom are manfesation which are merly visible but in real there are one. when we actualy feel all is one and can tell this thing to others if God permits. This happens when God wants to see the real unlmited expance of God. soul as individual does not exsit at all but is another name of God as per Sikhs,but sprit is like a body but again it is only apprant at one stage of spritual enlightenment but when treuth is relaised we see nither body nor sprit but God only. So far mind is not being found by Scince,But some people say that it is very smale near our heart and not in brain. anyway Das here meant term mind with ego or mind of individuality.Mind does not dies with death of human but may let spirit take another body. Mind can die when God ends ego while we are alive and we are salvaged they that.Say when a person is in Holy Ghost he does not speak what his mind wants to speak but Holy Ghost ie God only speaks.These are again not absoul;ute terms and being done to let you understand it. Well our mind acts as God direct it,and Ego in us is also via God. Das never meant that there are two sense say Godly and egoly in us. Only God is in us,but that wants us to know that we are not one with God,when Same God wants us to see realty we realise the truth.And that may happen before death and and may not happen even after death for many. Das would like to say some more things here.Many things which are very usual also seem like to be mirealce if we try to explain them,s o far scince has only described them. eg How our Brain works somethinig can be said but Why does it work no one knows even till now,Say for instinct ,then why are such instincts? Sikhs can say as Gods wants it to work like that in same manner.

Gurfateh Dear Charlses read it as God>Enrgy>Mass Ie All energy lies in God and all masses is composed of energy(but enrgy can be outisde mass ie Vaccum also). Then Mamon is the world used in Angeel where, it is to do with worldly attractions. Pandeipotneancism can be more of three world Pan(all) Die(God) Potency(capability). Das would like to say that as per our Faith instead of aproving all the faiths we do approve the power of God of all the Faiths which follow Veda or Kateeb(Holy Bible and Holy Kuran).Das hopes you god it.

Gurfateh Dear Charles, Well das(vijaydeep Singh) will touch few points as you asked him. When we touch book then we do not touch anything in fact no action occurs.How? Because the same God is in book and same is in us so space from here to their is false. Concept of being Part of God is more to do with Bhagwat Gita's interpetations of Hindus(Sikhs have differnt though). Das tried to tel that thing that in matter and in vaccum there is some energy and that is also God. We till we realise the truth by mercy of God may have sense of Duality or Duja Bhave when we can think in this way () () () Here we can have three pranthaese for say Heavan,Earth and Neither world. But Truth is like ((())) Inside one is God and outside one is God but middle one is mamon where we may think that things seense to be happeninig.Nanak Gaya Jape Jayee(ie Oh Nanak things gone seems to go) but in real this is only apprant. The very same atom in your finger tip is same as whole universe.Both are one continues form of energy which is manifesting in various forms. As it is beyong physics so by phycifal things like words it is diffult but not impossible to let it be explained. We can say just to give exmaple that God has body of universe but truth is all unverse in manifestation of God. Then coming to Gurus saying about people before them. In fact in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji there are mention of some mediums onto whom truth was sent the verse sent onto those Saints are there in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Das told this thing before also that Vedas and Kateebs(Holy Bible and Holy Kuran) are behold as Truth but thier interpetations are differant in many aspects. and Dasham Granth also talks of various Prophets and incarnations sent by God in past also. Then coming to Gurus as thier Bodies were not in thier control but of God so it was God who spoke from thier within. As they spoke so their the God in thier vocal cord via thier neurotranmitter gave the verrses. Anyway there is a testomony(Sakhi) that Guru Nanak Dev Ji were taken to hevan from here he got command that tell world that As God does not act communaly so should we not fight of being say Hindu or Muslim. But as Verse tells us that Hevan or adobe of God is in each Atom and not somewhere in 7th Sky so going to heavan is more in term of realisation. Then lastly we come to soul. Say light covered by two or more black covers First is spirit and next is body(Das again repeats that these are relative terms jsut to let you understand but it is more minute). Purest form of God is soul ie Holy Ghost.It is in all of us.By will of God our mind is attached to it and makes it Spirit. As no one wants to die so our Mind wants to live for ever but if realisiation is done then mind is dead and spirit is dead and soul only remains. In fact indivdual spirits also sometime refered as Soul made with Body are decayable as anything which is made is destroyed(Salok Mahal 9 Jo Banat Hai So Binas Hai). So when mind dies or is killed by God by self and sense of person is no more and sens e of God overtakes we say Atam(Soul) Tatva(Essance) is visible. But mind,body and sprit they are in real also nothing else but Soul,in all there is one light and that (light) is that(God)(Arti,Dhanshari Mahal 1). so we can take Soul and God one and the same.In Orthodox Sikhs Gurubar Akal is Called Atam Dev ie Soul God. Das repeats at last that as Our God is Akhand ie undividable so there can not be any part of that. Assume youself in space where nothing else but light(or Darkness) and your body and mind both are same light(or Drakness).So there we will find not parts as such left. Das at last also wants to say that like Dumb can not speak of sweetness of Food so that expiriance can not be described by Physical tongue easyly.

Gurfateh Das means slave as writer Vijaydeep Singh does not use first person and this is tradtion of Sikhs never to mention term me or my as it may increase our ego. Das means slave (of God).In fact das sees God in you asking us question and same does answer.

Gurfateh For the few das das was after mammon too much so was bit away from thought of the God but got the chance describe our God. Das wants to start that what das is saying is to be find in Holy Vedas,Holy Bible and Holy Kuran also. We are not pan thism but Pan Deipotencism. Our God is potant to salvage one God wants.And worship be it of Allah,be it Jesus,be it Krishan Bhagwan all goes to our God has that is in all of them. Linage of worship of our God as follows. Vedic Brahmins(they were forced to idloatroy and forced to forgo thier God by Budhists(Sau Sakhi) Jews(Part of these Brahmins who left nation but stuck tho thier God) Christians Muslims Sikhs. Term Yehove is from Om or Oankar only.Alter buring ,sacrifse,clubb of hairs on head are mnay things which makes Jews neaere to Vedas more then so called Hindus themsleves. Coming from past to future Das will try to use quantum theroy to let you understand this,Same is there in holy Bible also. Well you know that when object is obtained to have speed of light then we may have wieght or mass and time in negative.So far is it is hypothaical in labortaries. But when revelations were made in scriptures future was told.That means something took them in future. Anwer is peninal gland(Sahasdal Kamal) just in top middle of the head,where thoughts are faster then speed of light.Till it is withing mid that energy works within but when more powerfull it goes outside that also. We could give scintific reason for revival of lazarus by lord Jesus by this way only when state of life was restored defying apparant physical laws. but are laws at all firm. Answer is big NO? How? Well physical matter is based upon three main units,Time,Space and Mass. And all other things are based upon them.Fraction of enrgy in some form can come in the same framework. So far due to limited mind we behold deep scerets of Vedas and Kateebs just under such things. This is more true for Wahbis and protestants.Sufis,Shias,Orthodox Church,Roman Catholic among few others like william worsdwith and TS Illiot did understood about truth. Say in timtern Abby did Wroidswith wrote unider all contradiction lies a conformiy.TS Illiot wrote that Soul,Body and God all are one. So how is it true? Is space or disctance true? Well to have one disctnce we need to have one at least one object of mass or matter to show distance from it ie Relative to it. If no matter or objects exists then no distance or space can exists. Then Time,to feel time we again need to have some matter which decays or changes and that only gives us preception of time.Say if our nrevous receptors stop to take note of sign of change we will be in Coma and til then no time for us. Say if all universe stops to move and to act then we will have no time. Das hopes that falacity of time could be proven by now. Lastly comes the mass or the matter. On mass does rest two units depends. What is mass See the eqation below E=MC*C E is energy,M is mass and C is planks constant. We see in various parts of universe that Energy making mass and mass getting converted to energy in atomic or nuclaer reactions.Fission and fusion both may have change in mass due to production of energy. Mass there can be created or destroyed but Energy cannot be created or destroyed but changes from one form into another. You need to understand that by energy in the form of electrons and further fusion we get Hydrozen and then heluim is amde and verous other atoms are made. We as in scince can only describe them,to exaplain them we need to see the scriptures of faith. If you read Sikh scritptures like Japu Sahib mentioned above,God is termed as Amit(undestrcutable) Ouj(energy) which makes all of us. You and I and all are made of of one energy,which due to all such qualties which we ahve and other also has to be a thinking thing. That is our God only.Akal Bless.

Gurfateh See the link below http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=1 and das will give some more things withing a few mintues.