ਰੂਪ ਢਿੱਲੋਂ

20 hours ago, Premi said:

I checked out your wiki page, you 'went posh' and moved to Reigate, lol

 

Rupinderpal Singh Dhillon or Roop Dhillon (Punjabi: ਰੂਪਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਧਿੱਲੋਨ, born 1969) is a British Punjabi writer of fiction and poetry.

Early life and education[edit]

Dhillon was born in West London and initially raised in Southall. He studied at Oxford Brookes University and De Montfort University and is an accountant. He has been living in Reigate since the mid 2000s.

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err...i can't stop the public from creating pages about me...but yeah moved out of Southall...:)

On 1/15/2022 at 12:17 AM, paapiman said:

Don't you think "British" would be a better term for you, rather than "English"?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

but we are writing / speaking to each other in English now and Not an Indian language? British implies conquered country , colony, or what the Americans call people from UK or as it originally meant it was the greater Brittany ( smaller being in France) from when French Kings ruled UK.. In sort it is England. UK implies Union, of all, anyhow I was born and raised in England...I have the right to be called it as much as anyone..that said I understand your point as most  people from immigrant groups will call themselves British.

In which case I am a British Punjabi Sikh

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

So according to you, if most of the Brown immigrants (in 70's and 80's) were Christians, that would not have affected the intensity of the terrorist attacks on the Brown people?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

that's not what I said...I said later the NF, National Front took over the movement...then it was generally White supremist, but there were also black people in it...the thing to note i that the West Indian's also only spoke English and yes are Christian...us browns were the other in every way, language, food, clothes...we were seen as the alien threat ...

going back to this original piece attacks cab from anyone

I think we are taking the subject away from Tahir Gora channel.,,,,nevermind

6 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

That's the problem, letting your guard down because of outliners. Even our katar Singhs wouldn't condone our own doing some of the things that emanate from certain quarters.

I feel there is an increasingly growing aversion to 'liberalism' in our community, people feel it weakens boundaries, and makes the panth vulnerable to predators of other communities, and this isn't just limited to pakistanis.    

yes I agree with you. Many things they do in their community despite our  union of language are alien to my sikh upbringing...including marrying relatives or girls half your age etc...language can unite us and create a discourse...but all the rest of these things are so different...I think the worst I have heard ours do is Honour Killings, though allegedly there was a Sikh member of a northern muslin grooming gang in the news some years ago...anyhow my views on this are on display in my story Gunda, which may offend some muslims, but grooming gangs are a fact

31 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think it is. Muslim scholars openly admit that slavery was/is a part of the islamic economy, if not central to it (and this includes the sexual slavery of captured female captives, and by the looks of it, even young males). I think these 'cultural norms' are even older than islam itself and were practiced by arabs prior to mohammad being born.  

ok so that explains Dulla Bhatti and Taken within the same sentence. I think the issue is there is Punjabi Culture ( so the muslims from Pakistan I know are pro punjabi so different from the mullah types) and then Punjabi sub culture, ( dictated by religion? Thus Sikhs and Hindus are different from Muslims, and Hindus are different from Sikhs etc) and then there is Arab culture which overrides a lot of the behaviour and sets the norms. It is also where Islam comes from. 

This may explain it. The guys I know are more Sufi orientated which means they are of the same ilk as Santan Hindus and thus more in sync with Baba Nanak's Sikhi but not I guess the Khalsa. So then all I can say is the pro punjabi guys seem to be different. It is an interesting point for me that the pro punjabi ones are mainly hailing from within Pakistan and are also targeted as Indian spies or traitors by those that put Islam before national pride. Also that the ones we are talking about may specifically include those in the west who like Sikhs in the west bought the wounds of 47 with them and lets face it are the guys my generation fought in the clubs and pubs in the 80s and 90s because of the hate between our communities at the time. I think many of them further alienated themselves from Pakistan after 9/11 and its consequences and lacking any linguistic connection with the Punjab joined the international Islamic brotherhood in reaction to George Bush etc and now are more like the Arabs you describe.

As I said take them individually.. anyhow one thing I am in agreement with you all...whenever I ask them about why they don't critize terrorism or all this grooming, there is no response, yet they are vocal about west picking on them. I have noted the ones I know in Pakistan disassociate themselves with these British products.

last night I happen to see a film set in Columbia with a similar storyline to Taken,,so I think it is an international issue not just a muslim one..I also recall that Romanian gangs do it as well

Maybe the question should be why are Arabs like this?

GurjantGnostic this is my answer to you as well re insight

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

@Premi 

As for the injury. Without weapons like a baton, the victim either falls breaking the leg in the chaos, or more common it means they got stomped. 

While I have a great deal of sympathies with black people all over this planet, and believe that our loyalties go back a long time, all of us speaking here, we can make no mistake that they are very very damaged, that they are very colonialized, very imperialized, very marginalized, and capable of a lot of ignorance themselves. 

And while skin does give us some indication who one's ancestors are, it is no indication as to what lies beneath. For you never know, given the opportunity whether they will choose to side within themselves genetically, with the rapist oppressor or with the native person struggling for self-determination for all people. 

Sure sociologist and psychologists could explain why a marginalized group of people, given the opportunity, will turn on the only people placed lower in the social ladder than they are at the time.  It does not excuse it and it does not mean that any of us can fall victim to it we must be prepared to defend ourselves.

Now there's also a difference between a crime motivated purely by hate and one that could say be a robbery which features a racial slur. 

agreed with all said

14 hours ago, paapiman said:

They called them Black Skinheads right?

Was there any element of religion involved in these terrorist attacks? Most West Indians must have been Christians (same as the White people), while the Brown Asians were mostly non-Christians.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

no Skin head movement was more related to music, appropriation of West Indian Culture SKA music etc then got kidnapped by white nationalism. ( NF). Nowadays I think anyone who is brown equals muslim terrorist in the eyes of all these groups in the west. racism is not exclusive to white people. They can even be victims of it. So this was a blunt racist attack on brown people

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think you might be old enough to remember Roop. In the 70s/80s attacks on 'asians' became so normalised that even some west indians would do them. 

In those days Black people were Skinheads as well

this is getting worse and worse ...the images suggest not all racists are white... a naïve assumption anyhow

Let me make clear where I am coming from

Based on Origin am I Indian? Yes

Based on Birth? No I am English and thus dual inheritor to both cultures

Based on Culture? No, I say Punjabi.

Now why do I distinguish my last answer?

well bullet point wise:-

- The reasons given above

- A country essentially is established by Language. E,g All if Europe is Christian ( Like most of India is Hindu) but Spain, Greece, Russia and UK, their real cultures are based on their language and food etc. Religion is the final factor. So apply that logic to India and it is 25 separate countries that Invaders such as the Mughals and British made into India / Hindustan. Same with local Indian regional empires

- Then based on my logic post 47 India and Pakistan are no more than still part of British Empire. My logic? The law is all in English. Hindi ( a British invented language) and English are used for ruling. How would we feel if we were in a court case an it was conducted in Arabic/ German etc? Same logic.  Language comes first.

- Ok lets go on the word Hindustan. Enough said.

- Following that, 1984

- Literally what is happening now in India..look at all the hate posts on social media, asking for the killing of Sikhs, How different from 80s Congress or 1947?

- So am I Indian? No, in my case I am A British / English Punjabi Sikh, my heritage is Punjab, shared with Punjabi speaking Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Christians / Atheists.  Language is key, the all else

So agree or bitterly disagree?

On 1/6/2022 at 4:08 PM, Premi said:

How did you get so interested in Panjabi literature? Does it run in your family ?

no. Its a long story, Quickest answer is go on google or youtube and look up the videos and tv interviews

Short answer, I always read English novels and did Eng Lit at A level. I wanted to write a novel in English about Sikh characters but the path to that lead to learning Gurmukhi and next thing I know I am writing Punjabi stories for the British Sikh kids who don't want to read about the pind..it began from there

I'm only reading punjabi books at the moment