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11 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:
That started in Africa way before by the looks of it.
Yes you are right that a small racist minority of Tarkhan sycophants of the British Empire in Africa did indeed try to appropriate the name Ramgarhia at the behest of the British. The British realised that Giani Ditt Singh Ji of the Singh Sabha being of Chamar ancestry and intellectually leading the Sikh Panth was a long term threat to the British Empire as we see via the Gurdwara Reform Movement in the years that followed eventually culminating in the collapse of the British Empire.
Thus despite Tarkhans being the overwhelming majority ancestry of those employed by the British Empire in Africa - with there simply being no possibility of Gurdwara control by eithers - the bogus exclusive identity was cooked up by the British to divide and rule Sikhs. Zail Sin reinforced that by instructing all Ramgarhia named Golak's in the Diaspora to ensure that only those with two Tarkhan parents may be granted membership in order to spread his apartheid ideology as a way of defeating and dividing Sikhs.
It falls on the Diaspora youth to continue educate all that the Ramgarhia Misl's warriors were composed 90% of Amritdhari fighters from erstwhile non-tarkhan occupations and diverse ancestries such as erstwhile Pandits, Farmers, Leatherworkers, Mazhabi's, etc, etc you name it. Anybody that insults Tarkhans is insulting the sacred memory of one of our greatest Gurmukhs such as Bhai Lalo Ji and the noble profession of Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh Ji to give but two examples as Tarkhan, Jatt, Mazabhi and Ravidassia ancestry are four of the fingers in the united clenched fist of the Sikh Qaum. We need complete pyaar and nimarta towards fellow Sikhs regardless of what their ancestors tribe or profession was and regardless of it they are African or Caucasian by phenotype.
As Sikhs we should be proud that we are the only Qaum that has been led into battle by the most able leaders (regardless of their background) in contrast with Muslims and Hindu's who scoffed at Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji (who the Muslims disparaged as a mere Bihari scavenger in their writings and insults) and Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (who again the Muslims disparaged as a mere Chamar) being appointed to lead the Khalsa Fauj by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.
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5 hours ago, chatanga1 said:
This Sunday saw some 135,000
This figure cooked up by pro-Pakistani sycophant Pannun for publicity is fake and provably so as even to accommodate 10,000 then 120 St would have had to have been totally blocked off (which it wasn't).
Everybody from the area knows 120 St is torn up and coned off with numerous roadworks and anything more than 5,000 would have resulted in a shutdown of 120 St (which it didn't)
The actual number was more closer to the 5,000-6,000 mark out of a local Sikh population of 300,000 = 2% of the local Sikh population.
Even the turnout of around 5,000 was actually high due to the GOI+RAW's brazen murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjer in the Gurdwara's parking lot a few weeks back.
Most of the people that voted were rightly incensed at this killing by RAW and hence the higher than normal turnout due to a member of the Sangat being killed.
It is perfectly logical for anyone to want an independent Punjab when RAW has clearly killed HS Nijjer and Avtar Singh Khanda in the Diaspora the last few weeks.
However, pro-Pakistani sycophant Pannun is exploiting perfectly valid sentiments of freedom from a terrorist state for his own personal enrichment and is just as likely to be on the RAW payroll as much as he is openly supportive of the ISI and everything Pakistan stands for.
5 hours ago, chatanga1 said:Fringe movement
The Pakistani reporter alludes to tens of thousands (rather than disprovably false figure put by Pannun) which can arguably applied in the singular too.
However, let's say 10,000 voted out of a local Sikh population of 300,000 that means a 3% local minority of Sikhs have been duped by Pannun et al into thinking this sham achieves something.
But for argument's sake let's even hypothetically assume that 60,000 (which is 20% of the local Sikh population and which was absolutely provably not in attendence) voted in this sham non-binding referendum concocted by pro-Pakistani sycophant Pannun ...
... what does it prove given that the Sikh population in east Punjab is currently between 50 to 55% depending on when the latest census results will be released.
What it actually shows is that if we extrapolate the imaginary 20% support that Pannun might claim and translate it into a UN-monitored vote in Punjab it means the following:
20% of Sikhs supporting Pannun multiplied by arguably 55% of the Punjab gives roughly 11% vote of the overall Punjab population supporting him and 89% against Pannun and not in support of a Khalistani rump state in Malwa and Majha only (as Doaba with a Sikh minority already they would clearly vote to stay with Delhi ).
If Sikhs are barely just above 50% of the east Punjab currently and it is well known that the GOI+RAW are trying to ensure Sikhs are a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census then all Pannun is achieving is negative PR for Sikhs via these flag burnings, extrajudicial murders by RAW in response, an increased flow of Pakistani drugs into east Punjab the minute Delhi feels any potential revived threat and a doubled down commitment from GOI+RAW to ensure the growth of Christianity and Islam in Punjab to ensure Sikhs are less than 50% of the east Punjab population (as we are already a minority in Doaba).
The sad thing is our people do not realise the demographics on the ground. We were a 13% minority in 1947. In today's terms we constitute about 10% of the historical wider Punjabi population. But the Diaspora youth who are being duped by Pannun are not realising the grave threat of Sikhs being declared a minority in east Punjab by the 2031 census whilst Pannun bizarrely implies that only Sikhs will vote in his imaginary pie in the sky UN-backed referendum and/or sham non-binding referendum roadshows to generate his bank account further millions via naive Sangat funding who rightly feel pain over the Congress Genocide of Sikhs.
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On 9/11/2023 at 7:09 PM, chatanga1 said:
That's just like saying all Tarkhans should be held liable for Zail Singh and the role he played in exacerbating religious and political tension in Panjab on Indira Gandhi's orders. Zail Singh was the President of India, he did a lot for that flag and money.
So we should start saying that your people dal, sowed the seeds for conflict in which thousands died in Operation Bluestar and thousands more died in November genocide, and thousands more were killed by the state in false police encounters.
I do agree with you that Zail Sin was the sell out pioneer behind pushing the apartheid Gurdwara's concept overseas as it is common knowledge that Zail Sin insisted on Ramgarhia memberships being apartheid based.
However, do you also accept that Sanjay Gandhi and Zail Sin were responsible for pushing the new term "Damdami Taksal"? Given that prior to that they had simply been Chowk Mehta Dera (Jatha Bhindran).
The silent majority of Diaspora youth from various Jatt, Tarkhan, Khatri, Ravidassia, Mazhabi, Bhatt backgrounds etc, etc and others all realise that in the face of overwhelming demographics arranged against us we either unite with love for one another and learn from how the lions of our Panth discarded their erstwhile societal backgrounds for a solely Gurmat compatible Sikh identity as we see in the examples of Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji, Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh Ji, Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, Giani Ditt Singh Ji, Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji, Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji, Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji etc, etc
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On 9/10/2023 at 9:00 PM, GurjantGnostic said:
For the record. The Jatt Sikh who did the most to welcome me into the Paanth was the first person to tell me the numbers and casteism of Jatts are a serious problem in the Paanth.
Casteism, racism, selfishness will ruin anything.
100% agreed. But one thing we have to be careful about is our enemies falsely portraying most Sikhs as being of Jatt ancestry. Our opponents at RAW do this via their stooges in the so-called entertainment industries if you can call them that! Why would Bollywood Hindu directors make films about flying Jatts when they comprise 0.4% of the 1.45 Billion Indian population? Similarly the Punjabi music industry is financially under the majority control of Hindu's and Muslims so why would they deliberately promote a background from 80% of whom are Muslims and Hindu's unless to try detach Sikhs from certain backgrounds away from the Panth towards a drugs and alcohol lifestyle?
The actual figures are that only around 20% of the east Punjab population is of Jatt ancestry.
In turn that equates to around a 40% minority of the Sikh Panth being from Jatt tribal ancestry.
However, most Jatts are Muslims and an overwhelming majority of over 80% of Jatts are Muslims and Hindu's when Pakistan and Haryana demographics are factored in.
Similarly, many in east Punjab seems to think that Brahmin's, Khatri's, Rajput's are Hindu communities when the actual reality is that on a historical Punjab wide basis most Brahmins, most Rajputs, most Jatts, most Khatri's are proud Pakistani Muslims who support what the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs achieved for them.
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On 9/8/2023 at 6:06 PM, chatanga1 said:
Or is it just you urban bhapa sikh (read hindu) types
What is it with the minority who purport calling themselves Sikhs yet blanketly bash urban Sikhs or juts or tarkhans etc etc?
Most Khatri's of Punjab are Muslims in Pakistan who despise Sikhs and supported the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs
Most Jatts of Punjab are Muslims in Pakistan who despise Sikhs and supported the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs
Most Brahmins of Punjab are Muslims in Pakistan who despise Sikhs and supported the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs
Most Tarkhans of Punjab are Muslims in Pakistan who despise Sikhs and supported the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs
Most Saini's of Punjab are Muslims in Pakistan who despise Sikhs and supported the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs
There is a reason the Pakistani Punjabi's who are proud of speaking Urdu refer to Punjabi as "Chooreh-Chamaara di Zubaan" and we should be proud as Sikhs that we are the only community proud to be perceived like that.
Provided someone does not support an apartheid mentality when it comes to our Gurughar's we need to treasure all those from whatever background who are fellow Sikhs within the Panth given that we Sikhs are now a 10% minority within the erstwhile historical populations of erstwhile united Punjab.
The heroes of the Sikh Panth come from every single possible conceivable background as our Itihaas.
United we stand and Divided we fall.
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On 9/8/2023 at 3:39 PM, kdsingh80 said:
So Sikhs can't even win election in Punjab but dream of a nation ruled by sikhs. How this is going to happen?
Exactly when the demographics of Punjab are heading towards Sikhs becoming a minority by as early as the 2031 census then the crooks like Pannun who are promoting this bogus referendum to divert the minds of innocent Sikhs away from more pressing immediate problems are insane.
Hindu's also claimed that thousands of them killed by Sikhs .
The actual reality is that of the couple of hundred innocent Hindu's who died most were killed by Congress-Indira's Black Cats led by Muhammad Izhar Alam.
And BTW it is you people who still have photo 's of a man who killed 329 people in Air india flight.
The Air India was done by RAW as a false flag in order to justify the subsequent Congress Genocide of Sikhs.
Sikhi repudiates terrorism. 30 Sikhs from Montreal were among those killed. Sikhs are always over-represented on flights from the Diaspora to India. Sikhs had nothing to gain from such a heinous act. Delhi and RAW had everything to gain by using the false flag operation (AI bombing) as a pretext for the Congress Genocide of Sikhs,
he start abusing and you you are no different. How you attached Ram with my name clearly show your mentality that Hindu's are inferior and any sikh who is not on our side is ram , kishan , devi
Agreed and those who to spread hatred between Hindu and Sikh do so in the realisation that it will prevent potentially a future one billion new sehajdhari Sikhs and countless millions of new Amritdhari's from leaving the so-called fake umbrella of Hinduism as Hindutvadi's espouse it.
Just remote controlling it from Canada is nothing but cowardice.
Please bear in mind that there are over 800,000 Sikhs in Canada. If 80 people paid by RAW or ISI or both shout a few tired old repeated slogans at the Embassy in Ottawa it has no real meaning beyond the hype that the Godi Media attaches it to it.
In the end I just want to say that live in present not in past. What happened in 80s and 90s was terrible but nothing can be done now. India is now 10 times stronger while sikhs are extremely weak. Low birth rate christian conversions are major threats now.
100% agree with you. The Sikh birth rate is below replacement level in Punjab. Pakistani drugs being encouraged by RAW into Punjab. Zail Sin's concept of Divide and Rule being deliberately encouraged via Apartheid Golaks. Millionaires like the wretched Christian Jatti Sonam Bajwa and Khatri Christian Ankur Narula trying to emulate the Muslim Waqf Board with it's target of 12,000 new or renovated Mosques in the villages of Punjab to facilitate turn the Sikhs of east Punjab into a demographic minority are some of what we need to fight on a ground level first. The biggest first step we can take towards the growth of Sikhi is ensuring only one united Gurdwara in each pind in Punjab as once we eradicate apartheid mindsets from within our midst we can easily deal with the Pakistani drugs menace and the growth of Christianity and Islam in east Punjab along with educating all so-called Hindu's that our Panj Piare were from Gujarat, Orissa, Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh etc with Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji both from Bihar - yet for some reason we do not educate and assimilate our Bihari brothers in Punjab (despite Punjab being the only state where Bihari's say they actually get treated with dignity).
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On 9/6/2023 at 10:57 PM, chatanga1 said:
It was not a majority of Sikhs who voted Congress. The Congress vote is strengthened through (H)indu votes.
Agreed
Like your PM Manmohan lying to the UN Human Rights Commission that no torture or extrajudicial killings were happening in Panjab.
There was no mass Genocide of Sikhs occuring under Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in 2013 when he gave his speech to UN. Badal and the BJP alliance were in control of Punjab at a local level between 2007-2017. Manmohan Singh lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and set India on the trajectory from erstwhile economic failure to future $42 trillion economy. To put that into context east Punjab alone is projected to have a $1 trillion economy by 2050. India is currently 15years behind China in economic terms but even that to stand today at where China was in 2008 is all possible thanks to Manmohan Singh.
https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/china-india-to-lead-world-by-2050-says-pwc/
On 9/6/2023 at 10:57 PM, chatanga1 said:So the question is why the Hindus took that level of trust and betrayed it.
Are almost 1.2 billion Hindu's to all be collectively held responsible for the actions of Nehru, Indira and Rajiv?
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On 9/6/2023 at 9:00 PM, kdsingh80 said:
If sikhs had so much problem with india then why the hell they kept voting for congress again and again in Punjab.
As correctly pointed out by your adversary because the Hindu voters of Punjab constituted a solid 35% votebank for the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty meaning that even a small minority of Sikhs voting for Congress would result in victories for them.
In 1962 Sikhs were largest donor of gold when China invaded . Why the hell sikhs Did that when congress .
The Sikhs had seen the Genocide inflicted upon Tibet since 1950.
The Sikhs realised that a similar fate would befall ALL Indians under the rule of the CCP and saved them.
Also sikhs trusting Hindu 's was only option as The choice was India and Pakistan. Sikh country was neither offered nor feasible as Sikh population was too small and scattered .
This is common sense to most people with a single brain cell. When Sikhs were a 13% minority in the erstwhile united Punjab there was no way the British Empire were going to give hurt the interests of their beloved Pakistani Muslims in order to grant a 13% minority rule over an 87% majority. That's as fanciful as someone saying that the British Empire would grant African Americans as a 13% minority in America the keys to Washington DC and the White House on leaving America.
What happened in 80s and early 90s was wrong.
Exactly. Almost 40years on even most non-Sikhs in India acknowledge this Truth.
Now please tell me solution. Conducting phoney referendum, claiming punjab haryana rajasthan part of UP as khalistan when sikh population is their negligible ,
KD Singh Ji remember that these bogus referendums play into the hands of Delhi and Islamabad as the joint beneficiaries. But they disproportionately negatively impact Sikhs in terms of PR and the increased drugs pushed into Punjab by Pakistan aided by RAW as a result. It is clear to me that RAW has a strategic interest in demonising Sikhs prior to the 2024 elections given the INDIA alliance against Modi.
gathering some pendu's
Bhai Sahib please note that the word Pendu is used against Sikhs by our enemies. They realise that most Sikhs hail from rural backgrounds. Hence, we are meant to self-hate on ourselves as being of poor villager ancestry in order to despise our attachment to the rural language of Punjab's villages (Punjabi) and the fact that Sikhs are only in a majority in the villages of Majha and Malwa only (after the population transfers of 1947)
The present census is not conducted but there is good chance that sikh population is now below 55% of Punjab.
Absolutely correct and the projections are that Sikhs are likely to fall below 50% of the east Punjab population by 2031. But instead of focussing on this reality the crook Pannun distracts innocent naive Sikhs away from this looming threat in order to encourage tourism to Pakistan.
So even if your imaginery khalistan is created chances of Bhagwant mann type non practicing sikh as it's pm is much higher than any hot headed khalistani becoming pm.
Bhai Sahib it is important to recognise that any community which suffers Genocide at the hands of Delhi has a right to not wish to have any ongoing connection with Delhi so the minority of Diaspora Sikhs who support an independent Punjab free from Delhi's interference are not wrong for wanting freedom from Delhi. The problem is when such aspirations are led by crooks like Pannun in America and when we take our eyes off the ball of geopolitical realities and the damage inflicted upon Punjab's youth and culture by RAW over the last 40 years. An independent Punjab will never exist until such time as every pind in Punjab is united under the Nishan Sahib of a single Gurdwara for each village with an utter eradication of apartheid mentalities as encouraged by Zail Sin.
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On 9/6/2023 at 4:44 PM, chatanga1 said:
Well...the thing is mr hindustani...Sikhs dreamt of brotherhood with India and its Hindu majority.
The so-called Hindu majority in India is a fiction. There are potentially one billion new sehajdhari members of the Sikh Panth tomorrow if we understand we have the power of Truth to dissolve this so-called fake Hindu majority that Nehru constructed by alienating crores of Nanakpanthi Sikhs away from the Qaum during his wretched lifetime.
And look how that turned out. You aren't even a Sikh in India. You're a hindu. And you were labelled a HIndu in 1949 when the constitution was written.
Says a clown constitution that has no relevance for Sikhs until that point is amended. However, we do well to remember that all non-Muslims were labelled as Hindu's by the Muslims and British but that never stopped the Sikh Panth,
But before you were labelled a Hindu, when you still had your identity as a Sikh, you were labelled a "Juraim Pesha" - a criminal. So are you one or the other? Or both?
If one idiot said that it should not be held as a Damocles Sword over 1.2 Billion so-called Hindu's when at least 1 Billion of the same artificially constructed demographic could readily become tomorrow's sehajdhari Sikhs and from whom millions of new members of the Khalsa Panth would arise.
Why do you feel the need to keep running to muslim conduct during 1947 as some kind of deflection for what the indian govt has done since 1947?
Perhaps because the Congress Genocide of Sikhs resulted in the death of 0.1% of the Panth's population whereas the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs was something in the order of 250 times worse in per capita with a quarter of Sikhs there being killed by Pakistani Punjabi's.
Your whole talk, your demeanour is hindutva.
Nonsense I have read KD Singh posts for years and I can tell he is a Sikh who cares about the Panth.
On 9/6/2023 at 4:48 PM, chatanga1 said:kdram80 - do you know what happened today in Sikh history?
I don't understand why you and Dal feel the need to abuse KD Singh with personal insults if you disagree with his facts?
It was this day in 1995 that Jaswant Singh Khalra was abducted and disappeared because of your beloved
KD Singh and all Sikhs honour the memory of Shaheed Justice Khalra - most Sikhs despised the Congress regime of that time
You talk about "mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in 1947" but strangely never talk about mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in the 1980s/90s. Why ?
Why would he given that the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs (25% of Sikhs there butchered) was around 250 times worse than the Congress Genocide of Sikhs in per capita percentage terms. Why would he wish to focus on the 40year old painful memories of the Congress Genocide of Sikhs given that he lives as someone from a small vulnerable minority community in Delhi.
No Sikh can deny the truths uttered Shaheed Bhai Justice Khalra Ji and I don't believe KD Singh does either.
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On 9/6/2023 at 10:48 AM, kdsingh80 said:
If Khalistani sikhs are dreaming of brotherhood with muslim punjabi's and pakistani 's.
This is literally what the clown Pannun dreams of KD Singh Ji.
He has promised to leave Pakistani Punjab untouched and under Muslim control of course!
Their real end vision of Punjab is dominated by an overwhelming majority of Muslims like at this table.
On 9/6/2023 at 10:48 AM, kdsingh80 said:Who mercilessly slaughtered sikhs in 1947 then what's strange if sikhs in india protest
Exactly the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs resulted in the death of 25% of the Sikh population.
Ie the equivalent of if 7 million Indian Sikhs were killed tomorrow by Pakistan.
Yet Pakistan is being touted as the premiere tourist destination for Diaspora Sikhs by a minority of deranged lunatics like Pannun in America and the Diaspora
On 9/6/2023 at 10:48 AM, kdsingh80 said:Any khalistani activity protest indian flag burning severely affect sikhs living in rest of india.
Exactly it's common sense. If the small but vocal minority within the Sikh Diaspora that follows clown Pannun was to tomorrow burn the American, British, Canadian or Australian flags it would be inevitable that most Sikhs living in those English speaking would seek to distance themselves from the same actions and I say that as someone who only has allegiance to our Nishan Flag rather than any of these wretched flags of these various terrorist countries such as India, USA, UK, Canada or Australia.
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On 9/5/2023 at 7:22 PM, chatanga1 said:
Is that what you saw? Only Jatts? The Kisaan Andolan had that name for a particular reason - it represented all farmers. It's very feeble thinking that you should portray it with a twist, and you fall in the same group of Kangana Ranauts who called it a Khalistan movement. I think that says more about you yourself? That your mind is just as feeble as theirs?
Agreed: Kissan-Mazdoor-Ekta was the ethos of the Andolan. All Sikhs understood the threat from Modi.
There is and was a working system in India for food sourcing and procurement. The same system that is been in place for centuries. But under the new system, that would all be open to abuse and exploitation. Given that the new system was created by, and it's implementation oversaw by Modi's financial strongmen, who do you think would have come off worse?
Agreed 100% but as many youth from the Sikh Panth need to transition away from agriculture so keeping the status quo also suits Modi as keeping people trapped in unviable agriculture also constrains Sikh academic potential and achievement in the way south Indians who were the first in their families to go to University who have subsequently left their villages and achieved great success as top IT experts in America and with their own companies in India and the States.
Well why would they have a problem? Those handfull of jaats who became Sikhs did so, after witnessing the Sikhs standing up for their rights, and a greater exposure to Gurmat during the Andolan.
100% agreed - the majority of new Sikhs via the Andolan actually being from gareeb families living in the slums surrounding Delhi who have become new Gurdwara going Sikhs as a result of the Langar and Academic sewa provided by all Sikhs participating in the Andolan from Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh.
Let's hear the names of those jaats who murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84
I think Dal may be thinking of the Sajjan Kumar's and majority of Delhi Police from 1984 as opposed to new Sikhs.
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On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:
Did you not see when jut pockets were about to get hurt (during the kishaan andolaan)
This is an over simplification of the Morcha Mantra - "Kissan-Mazdoor-Ekta". All sections of the Sikh community were 100% united against Modi's proposals. The entire economy of Punjab would have been massively negatively impacted (in much the same way as if New Zealand was to suffer agricultural disease outbreaks then their overall economy would be impacted) and all Sikhs of all backgrounds realised that and rallied around to oppose Modi and succeeded in the end.
On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:had absolutely no problem with welcoming haryani hindu jaats into the quom.
The Sikh Panth should welcome new Sikhs from any source. However, we need to be mindful that with Haryanvi Jaats being massively over-represented as top Generals in the Indian Army and being the majority of the Delhi Police in 1984 as well as them owning some of the most expensive land around Delhi, Gurgaon, Noida etc that not that many of them are actually likely to switch over to Sikhi but due respect to those individuals that did after seeing the Langar sewa and educational sewa to gareeb children carried out by Sikhs during the Andolan.
On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:achieving your own rule when you're surrounded by more intelligent, highly hostile and better resourced people is beginning to look like a fantasy or some sort of escapism rather than reality.
100% agreed. These pathetic puppet Diaspora referendums engineered by multi millionaire crook Pannun are exactly that
Our primary focus for new Sikhs needs to the be poorest people in India rather than rich communities in and around Delhi.
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On 9/3/2023 at 9:19 PM, chatanga1 said:
The Pakistanis opened
Modi told them to do that and Shebaz Sharif did that as with the Pakistani economy on its knees a riparian disagreement with India would be the last thing the Pakistani's need. Brahmin ancestry Muslims such as Shebaz Sharif and Allama Iqbal and the various Butt's engaged in grooming in the UK are well known to hate Sikhs and this was done with Pakistani strategic interests in mind
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On 9/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, chatanga1 said:
These types of Sikhs insist on being called Sikhs,
That says it all
On 9/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, chatanga1 said:They bore the brunt of the genocide in Delhi 1984, they have a Widows Colony in their midst,
On 9/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, chatanga1 said:when the state can kill some 30,000 of your people in false police encounters, and do with no fear of national or international law? The Jews were very afluent in Germany yet were begging to save themselves from starvation due to the government they lived under.
100% agree with you on this point. It is common sense that no community subjected to Genocide by Delhi should be in any way forced to live under corrupt kleptocratic Hindutva rule from Delhi. However, instead of us chanting the same slogans as the last 40years there needs to be a recognition of Delhi's current economic power, Delhi's current defence spending and where they are headed economically in partnership with their western partners such as the USA,UK, Canada, France, Australia etc and the fact that Sikhs are likely to be a minority in Punjab by 2031 rendering all those bogus referendums by a crook like Pannun quite nonsensical sideshows which strategically serve no benefit to our Panth.
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On 9/3/2023 at 8:25 PM, dalsingh101 said:
These people are potential Sikhs.
Well said there are One Billion ready made Sehajdhari Sikhs in India tomorrow if we focus on building numbers and Unity.
There is a massive unquenched thirst for the Truth og Sikhi amongst the 1.45 Billion population in India who many in our community are quick to wrongly perceive as automatic Hindu's instead of as tomorrow's potential sehajdhari Sikhs.
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On 9/3/2023 at 5:56 PM, GurjantGnostic said:
The ones that go the length to protest for hindustan? Probably hindus.
Look if one isn't practicing and bought into Gurmat you aren't a Sikh. I don't care what you wear, who you daddy was none of it. Get with the program or get the admin cut on.
Not so bro. Also please read into the history of one word you would do well to edit please.
Anybody that attends Gurdwara or partakes of Guru ka Langar is a de facto Sikh (learner) in the puratan definition.
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On 9/3/2023 at 3:08 PM, Premi said:
I know most Sikhs in India don't want it, for various reasons.
Some of the urban Sikhs however, do deserve to be treated with suspicion. They marry into Hindus and mix it with Sikhi and don't see themselves as niara. They also propagate many stereotypes about Sikhs (many are fat - not in a muscle + fat way that many pendus are; many of them drink; many of them wear embarrassing colored Pagris). They also love to be in crowds supporting Indian cricket team.
Premi Singh, they could make the same accusations against British Sikhs marrying into the 99.3% of non-Sikhs in Britain.
Similarly, if the Sikh percentage in Delhi has been reduced via Genocide and fear (as well as urbanisation more generally) from 7.5% of the Delhi population to roughly 2.5% in Delhi today isn't it inevitable that they some will intermarry with the 97.5% non-Sikh population?
It's actually incredible that in a City where the Congress Genocide of Sikhs was committed in November 1984 that so many still proudly go to the Gurdwara where hundreds of thousands of the poor are fed daily and proudly wear the Dastar.
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On 9/3/2023 at 1:59 PM, dalsingh101 said:
Are you serious? That seems like seriously simplistic thinking.
Do you think all Sikhs are pro-Khalistan?
Agreed. The pro-Khalistan political parties recieved less than 1% of the votes in the most recent general elections.
People in Punjab itself clearly see the writing on the wall when the USA, Russia, UK, Canada, France, Australia and pretty much every country in the world are bending over backwards to court a country with almost 1.45 Billion population and with a projected $42 Trillion economy by 2050. Nobody apart from Sikhs cares about the Genocide inflicted on Sikhs by Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi.
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On 9/3/2023 at 5:24 AM, Premi said:
Hindus pretending to be Sikhs
Premi Singh:
Let's say the British carried out Genocide against the Sikhs in 1984.
Thereafter a minority of Sikhs burn the British flag in Slough with resulting bad PR for Sikhs more generally in the UK
Would you not expect some Sikhs in London to subsequently signal to the local population that they do not support burning of the Slavemaster flag known as the Union Jack? Would it imply that Sikhs who want to peacefully continue living as British citizens in London are "Christians pretending to be Sikhs"?
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On 9/2/2023 at 9:42 PM, chatanga1 said:
Thousands of Sikhs killed in Delhi, and majority of killers are still evading justice, yet our Sikh brothers in Delhi...
A tactically sensible PR move by Delhi Sikhs.
Let's say the British carried out Genocide against the Sikhs in 1984.
Thereafter a minority of Sikhs burn the British flag in Southall with resulting bad PR for Sikhs more generally in the UK
Would you not expect some Sikhs in Walsall to subsequently signal to the local population that they do not support burning of the Slavemaster flag known as the Union Jack?
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On 8/31/2023 at 7:38 PM, dalsingh101 said:
Jut stupidity again......
The thing is the Muslim majority of Jatts like General Bajwa and Air Chief Marshall Sidhu of the Pakistani Air Force seem to be very clever at manipulating their east Punjabi counterparts like the Christian multi millionaire actress Sonam Bajwa and clowns such as Navjot Sidhu
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On 8/31/2023 at 7:05 PM, kdsingh80 said:
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/threat-letters-to-sikhs-in-pak-condemned-537987
Meanwhile Sikhs in Punjab
Absolutely correct KD Singh Ji.
Though he seems to have improved recently in terms of supporting Sikh human rights, this was also the same person who agreed to entertain Ram Rahim Sidhu of Dera Sirsa a few years before that. Similarly, he is one of those naive people who thinks brotherhood with those that celebrate the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs - which resulted in a quarter of the Sikh population killed - is important so that the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani drug suppliers to Punjab can financially benefit as a consequence of this facade.
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15 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:
With Delhi Amritsar expressway coming in 2024, this is great idea. Mann is doing serious effort to improve economy of Punjab.
100% correct KD Singh Ji.
Instead of encouraging idiotic tourism to Pakistani in order to enrich the Pakistani Army types like the Pakistani Bajwa's and Chief Sidhu of the Pakistani Air Force
... we need to focus on tourism on ensuring that all Diaspora tourism revenue is directed towards uplifting the economy for East Punjab.
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@GurjantGnostic I think the key is bro that Sikhs discard all labels be those known as Nanaksaria, Missionary, neo-Nihang, Chowk Mehta Dera premi, etc, etc, etc
The only identity we need is SIKH.
The only one we need worship or recognize is IK ONKAR (that has no gender = Mata/Pita).
And we only need to recognize folks based on their soch and their proven sewa for the Panth.
Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan
in Sikhs Against Global Extremism
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My point being that in the interactions I have had in my life, I have myself observed that the majority of fellow Sikhs from all diverse ancestry backgrounds such as Jatt, Ravidassia, Tarkhan, Arora, Bhatra etc, etc are decent non-casteist people. A small but vocal minority of casteists such as KP Gill or Zail Sin or Khemu Bedi should not be allowed to poison the well for new generations of Sikhs who thirst for a unified and expanding all inclusive Sikh Panth.
I disagree. Look at the amazing economic success of rural Punjabi's from Mazhabi, Tarkhan, Jatt, Ravidassia and Bhatra backgrounds to name but five rural communities that spring to mind.
The overwhelming majority of Granthi's in Gurdwara's in Punjab are from a Mazhabi background and similarly in Canada and America they are the primary beneficiaries of Green Cards and PR cards on that basis. Because Mazhabi's are the most pukkeh Sikhs and children impacted by Gurbani succeed far more academically as a consequence it is clear to see.
Tarkhans spearheaded the Green revolution via machinery engineering at a time when India could ill afford imports.
Jatts are vastly over-represented among realtors in Canada to name but one business profession.
Whilst Bhatra's were the original enterprising rural Sikh immigrants to the UK a 100years ago.
Whereas the economic condition of leatherworking ancestry folks is pitiful outside Punjab, in Punjab they have been CM of Punjab and run multiple businesses.
All five rural communities were considered so-called "low castes" by Manuvadi soch but the spiritual freedom and personal self-confidence that Sikhi imbibes ensure that all five rural communities are highly enterprising and significantly better off than their Hindu and Muslim counterparts in India and Pakistan.
Collectively, Sikh Diaspora communities have the highest rates of home ownership in both Canada and the UK