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With regards to Halal Meat.

Previous post was getting long, but here is Guru Nanak mentioning about Brahmins eating Halal or abhakhiya ka Khutta in Asa Di Vaar. Ang 471

On 2/16/2020 at 12:29 PM, Kaur1510 said:

Our Guru Granth Sahib begins with Ek Onkaar, God is One, which I strongly believe.  Why Muslims eat halal meat or Christians eat different meats? Even Jesus served lamb (apologies if I am wrong).  What might be the reason for this difference?

You need to look at this shabad in Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ang page 1289

I will highlight some parts where Guru Nanak shows that Purana and Kiteb (abrahamic texts Bible/Quran/Torah etc) allow meat!

This is the start of the shabad page 1289

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ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ गैंडा मारि होम जग कीए देवतिआ की बाणे ॥ Gaiʼndā mār hom jag kī▫e ḏeviṯi▫ā kī bāṇe. It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering.

ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥ मासु छोडि बैसि नकु पकड़हि राती माणस खाणे ॥ Mās cẖẖod bais nak pakṛėh rāṯī māṇas kẖāṇe. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.

ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ फड़ु करि लोकां नो दिखलावहि गिआनु धिआनु नही सूझै ॥ Faṛ kar lokāʼn no ḏikẖlāvahi gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān nahī sūjẖai. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ नानक अंधे सिउ किआ कहीऐ कहै न कहिआ बूझै ॥ Nānak anḏẖe si▫o ki▫ā kahī▫ai kahai na kahi▫ā būjẖai. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.

ਅੰਧਾ ਸੋਇ ਜਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਿ ਲੋਚਨ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ अंधा सोइ जि अंधु कमावै तिसु रिदै सि लोचन नाही ॥ Anḏẖā so▫e jė anḏẖ kamāvai ṯis riḏai sė locẖan nāhī. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts.

ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੀ ਰਕਤੁ ਨਿਪੰਨੇ ਮਛੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਨ ਖਾਂਹੀ ॥ मात पिता की रकतु निपंने मछी मासु न खांही ॥ Māṯ piṯā kī rakaṯ nipanne macẖẖī mās na kẖāʼnhī. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat.   ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਜਾਂ ਨਿਸਿ ਮੇਲਾ ਓਥੈ ਮੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਹੀ ॥ इसत्री पुरखै जां निसि मेला ओथै मंधु कमाही ॥ Isṯarī purkẖai jāʼn nis melā othai manḏẖ kamāhī. But when men and women meet in the night, they come together in the flesh.   ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥ मासहु निमे मासहु जमे हम मासै के भांडे ॥ Māsahu nimme māsahu jamme ham māsai ke bẖāʼnde. In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh.   ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥ गिआनु धिआनु कछु सूझै नाही चतुरु कहावै पांडे ॥ Gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān kacẖẖ sūjẖai nāhī cẖaṯur kahāvai pāʼnde. You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar.   ਬਾਹਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੰਦਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਘਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਚੰਗੇਰਾ ॥ बाहर का मासु मंदा सुआमी घर का मासु चंगेरा ॥ Bāhar kā mās manḏā su▫āmī gẖar kā mās cẖangerā. O master, you believe that flesh on the outside is bad, but the flesh of those in your own home is good.   ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੋਏ ਜੀਇ ਲਇਆ ਵਾਸੇਰਾ ॥ जीअ जंत सभि मासहु होए जीइ लइआ वासेरा ॥ Jī▫a janṯ sabẖ māsahu ho▫e jī▫e la▫i▫ā vāserā. All beings and creatures are flesh; the soul has taken up its home in the flesh.   ਅਭਖੁ ਭਖਹਿ ਭਖੁ ਤਜਿ ਛੋਡਹਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਿਨ ਕੇਰਾ ॥ अभखु भखहि भखु तजि छोडहि अंधु गुरू जिन केरा ॥ Abẖakẖ bẖakẖėh bẖakẖ ṯaj cẖẖodėh anḏẖ gurū jin kerā. They eat the uneatable; they reject and abandon what they could eat. They have a teacher who is blind.   ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥ मासहु निमे मासहु जमे हम मासै के भांडे ॥ Māsahu nimme māsahu jamme ham māsai ke bẖāʼnde. In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh.   ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥ गिआनु धिआनु कछु सूझै नाही चतुरु कहावै पांडे ॥ Gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān kacẖẖ sūjẖai nāhī cẖaṯur kahāvai pāʼnde. You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar.

Here is where Guru ji mentions Meat in Purans and Kitebs.

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ਮਾਸੁ ਪੁਰਾਣੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਤੇਬੀ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗਿ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਮਾਣਾ ॥ मासु पुराणी मासु कतेबीं चहु जुगि मासु कमाणा ॥ Mās purāṇī mās ketābīʼn cẖahu jug mās kamāṇā. Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used.

ਜਜਿ ਕਾਜਿ ਵੀਆਹਿ ਸੁਹਾਵੈ ਓਥੈ ਮਾਸੁ ਸਮਾਣਾ ॥ जजि काजि वीआहि सुहावै ओथै मासु समाणा ॥ Jaj kāj vī▫āhi suhāvai othai mās samāṇā. It is featured in sacred feasts and marriage festivities; meat is used in them.

ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਨਿਪਜਹਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਸੁਲਤਾਨਾਂ ॥ इसत्री पुरख निपजहि मासहु पातिसाह सुलतानां ॥ Isṯarī purakẖ nipjahi māsahu pāṯisāh sulṯānāʼn. Women, men, kings and emperors originate from meat.

ਜੇ ਓਇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਲੈਣਾ ॥ जे ओइ दिसहि नरकि जांदे तां उन्ह का दानु न लैणा ॥ Je o▫e ḏisėh narak jāʼnḏe ṯāʼn unĥ kā ḏān na laiṇā. If you see them going to hell, then do not accept charitable gifts from them.

ਦੇਂਦਾ ਨਰਕਿ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਲੈਦੇ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ॥ देंदा नरकि सुरगि लैदे देखहु एहु धिङाणा ॥ Ḏeʼnḏā narak surag laiḏe ḏekẖhu ehu ḏẖińāṇā. The giver goes to hell, while the receiver goes to heaven - look at this injustice.

ਆਪਿ ਨ ਬੂਝੈ ਲੋਕ ਬੁਝਾਏ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਖਰਾ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥ आपि न बूझै लोक बुझाए पांडे खरा सिआणा ॥ Āp na būjẖai lok bujẖā▫e pāʼnde kẖarā si▫āṇā. You do not understand your own self, but you preach to other people. O Pandit, you are very wise indeed.

ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੂ ਜਾਣੈ ਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਿਥਹੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਉਪੰਨਾ ॥ पांडे तू जाणै ही नाही किथहु मासु उपंना ॥ Pāʼnde ṯū jāṇai hī nāhī kithhu mās upannā. O Pandit, you do not know where meat originated.

ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਕਮਾਦੁ ਕਪਾਹਾਂ ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਗੰਨਾ ॥ तोइअहु अंनु कमादु कपाहां तोइअहु त्रिभवणु गंना ॥ Ŧo▫i▫ahu ann kamāḏ kapāhāʼn ṯo▫i▫ahu ṯaribẖavaṇ gannā. Corn, sugar cane and cotton are produced from water. The three worlds came from water.

ਤੋਆ ਆਖੈ ਹਉ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਹਛਾ ਤੋਐ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਕਾਰਾ ॥ तोआ आखै हउ बहु बिधि हछा तोऐ बहुतु बिकारा ॥ Ŧo▫ā ākẖai ha▫o baho biḏẖ hacẖẖā ṯoai bahuṯ bikārā. Water says, "I am good in many ways." But water takes many forms.

ਏਤੇ ਰਸ ਛੋਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ एते रस छोडि होवै संनिआसी नानकु कहै विचारा ॥२॥ Ėṯe ras cẖẖod hovai sani▫āsī Nānak kahai vicẖārā. ||2|| Forsaking these delicacies, one becomes a true Sannyaasee, a detached hermit. Nanak reflects and speaks. ||2||

On 4/1/2020 at 4:12 PM, dalsingh101 said:

You know what would be good, is if we had a forum where the visitors had a big hand in shaping the content. Like what are the majority of young apnay interested in?  

On 4/2/2020 at 1:36 AM, Soulfinder said:

Thats a really good idea veer ji and hopefuly this site will get more followers plus help understand the youth needs of today.

ok I am also creating a separate subreddit forum for uk sikhs, I will make a separate thread to poll for a name.

22 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@ipledgeblue

I already had a few warnings on reddit about linking to this forum. lol

 

yes that's probably r/sikh subreddit which I do not moderate. We will 100% not have this issue with r/sikhawareness LOL

today, when I was listening to Tav Prasad Swaiye with my eyes closed sitting in lotus position, I had this weird sensation on the top back of my head (is that where dasam duar is?)

IF felt a bit like when an aeroplane is changing levels, it also made me feel a bit sick (I get sick on aeroplanes when changing levels) which was making it difficult to concentrate...

Started a subreddit for sikhawareness a while back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhawareness

Since I don't really have the time, I really need some members to help me out.

So the aim of the subreddit is to showcase content from Sikh Awareness onto Reddit. Reddit just has so many members globally, so it's an excellent place to learn about sikhi.

Please let me know whoever can help, I am also available on Reddit with the same username as here.

Also let me know if anyone has ideas on contributing to a subreddit for uk sikhs, I think there is one needed urgently!

@Jageera yo give it a break, no one is inviting anyone during covid-19 outbreak....

On 2/7/2020 at 1:13 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Waheguru

Also, right next to Sikhism it says "BAPTISM" that also needs to change.

Do you think Taksal or other Sampradi should have already written and done research on this topic, on how to best translate Gurmat Terminology into English.

They should have compiled a list of the most common words in Gurmat and there equivalent in English, so there will be no distortion.  Why, do you think they have not done this already?

Maybe replace Baptism with Initiation.

OR perhaps just combine Amrit / Baptism into Pahul - Amrit on it's own does not really make it clear if it's physical Amrit or spiritual Amrit.

3 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

As i have seen 2 people who serve as panj pyare that went to a party with meat sharaab and the gurdwara commitee where all drinking alcohol and eating meat apart from those 2 guys. 3rd guy kept a cat in his house feeding it meat.

maybe he feeds billee jee jhatka?

On 2/19/2020 at 2:52 AM, Soulfinder said:

Veer ji you are 100% true and i agree with you. I have seen myself people doing panj pyare sewa and attending party halls with meat & alcohol being served. 

 

So its really hard to understand who is following correct marayda nowdays.

so what if the panj pyararay sewak practises jhatka maryada but then goes to a place where meat is served??????

16 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

This is the best thing i have read today veer ji. I want to start now as i am getting bored of english language lol especially when i see punjabi written stuff vs english is not as nice.

you definitely should, it will change your whole perspective.

The more you learn gurmukhi, the more you will see how illogical and unedcuated the way spellings are done for English language, they don't even make full use of the resources of symbols and characters to spell, that's how dumbed down and unintelligible it is!

yes. maybe we should post resources like smartphone apps and Youtube videos, etc...

On 1/21/2020 at 3:01 PM, Khojidas said:

I have seen this, what name do they go under now? Are there former articles and write ups available? The tumblr account seems to have alot of their original work missing....

last time I checked they were still Tisarpanth on facebook

On 1/22/2020 at 5:16 PM, dalsingh101 said:

That's a great idea. I think given weapon restrictions in the UK, this could be more easily implemented in the US and Canada.

no, most of this stuff is already done in the uk.

There are archery clubs for public to join. There are shooting ranges that just need some kind of form to fill, no need for ownership of any guns.

we could have gurdwaras as the bases for promoting such activities.

On 1/9/2020 at 4:02 PM, Khojidas said:

Does anyone know where this website and material has gone ? Literally seems to have gone AWOL...

They seemed to have moved to Facebook and changed their ethos.

They are now no longer Budha Dal centric and seem to now be looking at sikh panth from a non-Nihang angle. 

so who will be the new jathedaar of the baba Surjit Singh lineage?

Was the accident part of a conspiracy?

I just found out it is illegal to hunt anything in India.

So how does one practise shikkar in India?

a Singh also requires sanjam kiriya, do bethaka (squats) and pressups (dand).

this will help in sitting in asan.

are you also ready to train with shastar as well?

nitnem is important even for sehajdhari sikh, but for one who takes khanda dee pahul, shastar pooja via shastar training is Guru hukam.

Read Chandi Di Vaar in your nitnem, also maybe Ugardanti and Shastar Mala.

If you concentrate on the battle in Chandi di Vaar you can expel you anger during the paat

On 10/29/2018 at 1:19 PM, chatanga1 said:

Yes Gangsar and Dera Baba Wadbhag Singh are still under the Sodhis. I wil share Painde Khan's funeral place in another topic.

There are many historical places around Kartarpur. Far more than I knew of.

Were you born there @ipledgeblue ?

 

 

no my ancestral pend is around Kartarpur.

I think we need to start with the sehajdhari sampradaiye such as udasi, sewapanthi, some nirmala, Nanakpanthi, NanakShahi, singh sikhs. 

These sikhs are more able to influence hindus than the current brand of mainstream sikhs.

On 10/22/2018 at 4:10 PM, chatanga1 said:

photos I took of the historic Gurdwara Thamm Sahib.

 

The Thamm that Guru Arjan Dev Ji built was destroyed by the Moghals in 1740s (i  think) but the gurdwara was rebuilt again by Dal Panth. This used to belong to the Sodhis of Kartarpur under Baba Wadhbhag Singh but he gave it over to the Guru Khalsa Panth after Moghals took it over. There is nothing surviving from Guru Sahib's personal possessions here though.

My Guru blessed my eyes and heart with a visit to this sacredplace. I didn't know there was so much history to Kartarpur. There are many other historic Gurdwaras here in close proximity inc where Guru Teg Bahadur was married to Mata Gujari, the chabucha of Guru Hargobind Sahib, the antim sanskar place of Mata Kaulan etc. I will put those up soon as well.

Parts of the Qila (fortress) that Guru Sahib built is still there. It is under the control of the Sodhis of Kartarpur still.

 

These are my ends lol

There's also Gangsar gurdwara which is next to Baba Wadhbhag;s ?Gurdwara?, at least I think it's a gurdwara.

I think there's alsoa place somewhere nearby related to Painde Khan.