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March 10, 2020

Chritar 110: Tale of Raja Roopeshwar

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

Savaiyya

ਪੂਰਬ ਦੇਸ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਰੂਪੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਰਾਜਤ ਹੈ ਅਲਕੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਜੈਸੋ ॥

Roopeshwar Raja of the west was as good as the Raja of Alkeswar.

ਰੂਪ ਅਪਾਰ ਕਰਿਯੋ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਕਿਧੌ ਅਸੁਰਾਰਿ ਸੁਰੇਸਨ ਤੈਸੋ ॥

He was so much handsome that, even, Indra, the enemy of the devils could not match.

ਭਾਰ ਭਰੇ ਭਟ ਭੂਧਰ ਕੀ ਸਮ ਭੀਰ ਪਰੇ ਰਨ ਏਕਲ ਜੈਸੋ ॥

If a war were inflicted upon him, he would fight like a mountain.

ਜੰਗ ਜਗੇ ਅਰਧੰਗ ਕਰੇ ਅਰਿ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਹੈ ਮਕਰਧ੍ਵਜ ਕੈਸੋ ॥੧॥

If a group of braves came to kill him, he alone would figh t like one hundred soldiers.(1)

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

Chaupaee

ਤਾ ਕੇ ਪੂਤ ਹੋਤ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ॥

ਚਿੰਤ ਯਹੈ ਪ੍ਰਜਾ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥

But his subject was getting worried as he was not blessed with a son.

ਤਬ ਤਿਹ ਮਾਤ ਅਧਿਕ ਅਕੁਲਾਈ ॥

ਏਕ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਤਿਹ ਨਿਕਟ ਬੁਲਾਈ ॥੨॥

One day, extremely perturbed, his mother called in a lady.(2)

ਕੰਨ੍ਯਾ ਏਕ ਰਾਵ ਕੀ ਲਹੀ ॥

ਸੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਕੋ ਬਰਬੇ ਕਹ ਕਹੀ ॥

Who selected a girl for the Raja and she requested Raja to marry her.

ਰਾਇ ਪੁਰਾ ਕੇ ਭੀਤਰ ਆਨੀ ॥

ਰੋਪੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕੇ ਮਨ ਨਹਿ ਮਾਨੀ ॥੩॥

She presented her to the Raja but he did not approve her.(3)

ਜਨ ਕਹਿ ਰਹੇ ਬ੍ਯਾਹ ਨ ਕੀਯੋ ॥

ਤਾਹਿ ਬਿਸਾਰਿ ਚਿਤ ਤੇ ਦੀਯੋ ॥

People pleaded but the Raja did accept her and counted her out of his mind.

ਤਵਨ ਨਾਰਿ ਹਠਨਿ ਹਠਿ ਗਹੀ ॥

ਤਾ ਕੇ ਦ੍ਵਾਰ ਬਰਿਸ ਬਹੁਤ ਰਹੀ ॥੪॥

But, the lady with determination, stayed put out side his door steps.( 4)

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

Savaiyya

ਰਾਵ ਰੁਪੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕੁਅਰਿ ਥੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਸੋ ਕੁਪਿ ਕੈ ਤਿਹ ਊਪਰ ਆਯੋ ॥

Raja Roopeshwar had an enemy; getting furious, he raided him.

ਭੇਦ ਸੁਨ੍ਯੋ ਇਨ ਹੂੰ ਲਰਬੈ ਕਹ ਸੈਨ ਜਿਤੋ ਜੁ ਹੁਤੇ ਸੁ ਬੁਲਾਯੋ ॥

He came to know as well and whatever small army he had, he collected.

ਦੁੰਦਭਿ ਭੇਰ ਬਜਾਇ ਰਿਸਾਇ ਚੜਿਯੋ ਦਲ ਜੋਰਿ ਤੁਰੰਗ ਨਚਾਯੋ ॥

Beating the drums he commenced his assault and, after assigning his army, he danced his horse.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਕੈ ਧਾਰ ਹਜਾਰ ਮਨੋ ਜਲ ਰਾਸਿ ਕੈ ਭੇਟਨ ਧਾਯੋ ॥੫॥

It looked like the tributaries in thousands running to meet the River Brahamputra.(5)

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

Chaupaee

ਉਮਡੇ ਅਮਿਤ ਸੂਰਮਾ ਦੁਹਿ ਦਿਸਿ ॥

ਛਾਡਤ ਬਾਨ ਤਾਨਿ ਧਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਰਿਸਿ ॥

From both sides braves swarmed and, in fury, shot the arrows.

ਧੁਕਿ ਧੁਕਿ ਪਰੇ ਬੀਰ ਰਨ ਭਾਰੇ ॥

ਕਟਿ ਕਟਿ ਗਏ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਨ ਮਾਰੇ ॥੬॥

The dauntless ones would get up again but those cut half with swords were dead beat.(6)

ਨਾਚਤ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਰਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥

ਜੰਬੁਕ ਗੀਧ ਮਾਸੁ ਲੈ ਜਾਹੀ ॥

ਕਟਿ ਕਟਿ ਮਰੇ ਬਿਕਟ ਭਟ ਲਰਿ ਕੈ ॥

ਸੁਰ ਪੁਰ ਬਸੇ ਬਰੰਗਨਿਨ ਬਰਿ ਕੈ ॥੭॥

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

ਬਜ੍ਰ ਬਾਨ ਬਰਛਿਨ ਭਏ ਲਰਤ ਸੂਰ ਸਮੁਹਾਇ ॥

ਝਟਪਟ ਕਟਿ ਛਿਤ ਪਰ ਗਿਰੇ ਬਸੈ ਦੇਵ ਪੁਰ ਜਾਇ ॥੮॥

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

ਦਾਰੁਨ ਲੋਹ ਪਰਿਯੋ ਰਨ ਭੀਤਰ ਕੌਨ ਬਿਯੋ ਜੁ ਤਹਾ ਠਹਰਾਵੈ ॥

ਬਾਜੀ ਪਦਾਤ ਰਥੀ ਰਥ ਬਾਰੁਨ ਜੂਝੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਤੇ ਕੌਨ ਗਨਾਵੈ ॥

ਭੀਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਨ ਸੈਥਿਨ ਸੂਲਨ ਚਕ੍ਰਨ ਕੌ ਚਿਤ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਲ੍ਯਾਵੈ ॥

ਕੋਪ ਕਰੇ ਕਟਿ ਖੇਤ ਮਰੇ ਭਟ ਸੋ ਭਵ ਭੀਤਰ ਭੂਲਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ॥੯॥

ਢਾਲ ਗਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਘ ਪਟਿਸ ਦਾਰੁਣ ਹਾਥ ਤ੍ਰਿਸੂਲਨ ਕੋ ਗਹਿ ਕੈ ॥

ਬਰਛੀ ਜਮਧਾਰ ਛੁਰੀ ਤਰਵਾਰਿ ਨਿਕਾਰਿ ਹਜਾਰ ਚਲੇ ਖਹਿ ਕੈ ॥

ਜਗ ਕੋ ਜਿਯਬੋ ਦਿਨ ਚਾਰਿ ਕੁ ਹੈ ਕਹਿ ਬਾਜੀ ਨਚਾਇ ਪਰੇ ਕਹਿ ਕੈ ॥

ਨ ਟਰੇ ਭਟ ਰੋਸ ਭਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੈ ਤਨ ਮੈ ਬ੍ਰਿਣ ਬੈਰਿਨ ਕੇ ਸਹਿ ਕੈ ॥੧੦॥

ਬੀਰ ਦੁਹੂੰ ਦਿਸ ਕੇ ਕਬਿ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਮੁਖ ਊਪਰ ਢਾਲਨ ਕੋ ਧਰਿ ਜੂਟੇ ॥

(The Poet) Siam says, the braves from both sides fought defending themselves with the shields,

ਬਾਨ ਕਮਾਨ ਧਰੇ ਮਠਸਾਨ ਅਪ੍ਰਮਾਨ ਜੁਆਨਨ ਕੇ ਰਨ ਛੂਟੇ ॥

The arrows shot out of bows eliminated many young-men from the fights (they died).

ਰਾਜ ਮਰੇ ਕਹੂੰ ਤਾਜ ਗਿਰੇ ਕਹੂੰ ਜੂਝੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਰਥੀ ਰਥ ਟੂਟੇ ॥

Somewhere, the chiefs were lying (dead), and somewhere the crowns and chariots were scattered.

ਪੌਨ ਸਮਾਨ ਬਹੇ ਬਲਵਾਨ ਸਭੈ ਦਲ ਬਾਦਲ ਸੇ ਚਲਿ ਫੂਟੇ ॥੧੧॥

Like the wind some braves were shaking and they were staggering like the clouds.(11)

ਬਾਧਿ ਕਤਾਰਿਨ ਕੌ ਉਮਡੇ ਭਟ ਚਕ੍ਰਨ ਚੋਟ ਤੁਫੰਗਨ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਯੋਂ ॥

ਤੀਰਨ ਸੌ ਬਰ ਬੀਰਨ ਕੇ ਉਰ ਚੀਰ ਪਟੀਰ ਮਨੋ ਬਰਮਾ ਤ੍ਯੋਂ ॥

With swords in their hands, they came forward like the shots and the spinners.

ਮੂੰਡਨ ਤੇ ਪਗ ਤੇ ਕਟਿ ਤੇ ਕਟਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਗਿਰੇ ਕਰਿ ਸਾਇਲ ਸੇ ਇਯੋਂ ॥

The chests of the intrepid were torn apart like the cutting of wood logs by the saws.

ਜੋਰਿ ਬਡੋ ਦਲੁ ਤੋਰਿ ਮਹਾ ਖਲ ਜੀਤਿ ਲਏ ਅਰਿ ਭੀਤਨ ਕੀ ਜ੍ਯੋਂ ॥੧੨॥

The valiant ones were cut from the heads, feet and waist and they fell like the elephants fall in the sea.(12)

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

Chaupaee

ਐਸੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਜੀਤਤ ਰਨ ਭਯੋ ॥

ਬਹੁਰਿ ਧਾਮ ਕੋ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਲਯੋ ॥

The great soldier, after winning the war, marched to his house.

ਤਉਨੈ ਨਾਰਿ ਭੇਦ ਸੁਨੈ ਪਾਯੋ ॥

ਰਨ ਕੌ ਜੀਤਿ ਰੁਪੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੩॥

Then the news reached the woman that Raja Roopeshwar had won and was coming back.(13)

ਆਛੇ ਅਰੁਨ ਬਸਤ੍ਰ ਤਨ ਧਾਰੇ ॥

ਦੁਹੂੰ ਹਾਥ ਨਰਿਏਰ ਉਛਾਰੇ ॥

On the route, the Raja was to come back, she had erected a death-pyre,

ਹੁਤੋ ਦਰਬ ਸੋ ਸਕਲ ਲੁਟਾਯੋ ॥

ਆਪੁ ਸਤੀ ਕੌ ਭੇਖ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥

And she had gone there with new red clothes on to become a Sati(14)

ਜਿਹ ਮਾਰਗ ਰਾਜ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਆਯੋ ॥

ਤਹੀ ਆਨਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਚਿਤਹਿ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥

(to immolate herself in case Raja was dead).

ਤਬ ਲੌ ਰਾਇ ਆਇ ਹੀ ਗਯੋ ॥

ਹੇਰਤ ਤਵਨ ਸਤੀ ਕੌ ਭਯੋ ॥੧੫॥

When Raja passed that way, he observed the Sati.(15)

ਰਾਇ ਬਿਹਸਿ ਤਿਹ ਓਰ ਨਿਹਾਰਿਯੋ ॥

ਨਿਕਟ ਬੋਲਿ ਭ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਚਨ ਉਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥

ਜਾ ਕੋ ਸੋਧ ਲੇਹੁ ਤੁਮ ਜਾਈ ॥

ਕੌਨ ਸਤੀ ਹ੍ਵੈਬੈ ਕਹ ਆਈ ॥੧੬॥

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

Dohira

ਸੁਨਤ ਰਾਵ ਕੋ ਦੂਤ ਬਚ ਤਹਾ ਪਹੂਚ੍ਯੋ ਜਾਇ ॥

On Raja’s order his emissary approached the place,

ਸਕਲ ਸਤੀ ਕੋ ਭੇਦ ਲੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਪਤਿ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ ॥੧੭॥

And brought the news of the secret desire of the Sati.(17)

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

Chaupaee

ਯੌ ਸੁਨ ਬਚਨ ਰੀਝਿ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਰਹਿਯੋ ॥

ਧੰਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਤਿਹ ਕਹਿਯੋ ॥

Hearing this Raja was delighted and praised her vehemently,

ਹਮ ਯਾ ਸੋ ਕਛੁ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਗੀ ॥

ਮੇਰੇ ਹੇਤ ਦੇਨ ਜਿਯ ਲਾਗੀ ॥੧੮॥

‘I did not love her at all but she was going to sacrifice herself for me.(18)

ਧ੍ਰਿਗ ਮੋ ਕੋ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਚੀਨੋ ॥

ਅਬ ਲੌ ਬ੍ਯਾਹ ਨ ਯਾ ਸੋ ਕੀਨੋ ॥

‘I should be ashamed of myselfthat I did not acquiesce the secret.

ਜਿਨ ਨਾਰਿਨ ਸੌ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ ॥

ਸੋ ਇਹ ਸਮੈ ਕਾਮ ਨਹਿ ਆਈ ॥੧੯॥

‘Not even from the women I loved, came to wish me success.(19)

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਮੈ ਇਹ ਅਬੈ ਬਿਯਾਹੂੰ ॥

ਤਨ ਲਗਿ ਯਾ ਸੋ ਨੇਹ ਨਿਬਾਹੂੰ ॥

‘Now, I will marry her immediately and spend whole life wit her.

ਬਰਤਿ ਅਗਨਿ ਤੇ ਤਾਹਿ ਉਬਾਰੋ ॥

ਮੋ ਸੋ ਜਰੀ ਨ ਤਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਰੋ ॥੨੦॥

‘I will save her from immolating in the fire, rather she is already burnt in fire of love for me.’(20)

ਚਿਤਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਜੋ ਸਤੀ ਜਗਾਈ ॥

ਬਿਰਹਾਨਲ ਸੋਈ ਠਹਿਰਾਈ ॥

The pyre the Sati had built, he thought it to be the pyre of separation.

ਤਾ ਕੇ ਤੀਰ ਭਾਵਰੈ ਦੀਨੀ ॥

ਰਾਂਕ ਹੁਤੀ ਰਾਨੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਕੀਨੀ ॥੨੧॥

He circumambulated three times through all the four corners and honoured her as his Rani.(21)

ਏਹੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਕੋ ਪਾਯੋ ॥

ਸਭ ਰਾਨਿਨ ਚਿਤ ਤੇ ਬਿਸਰਾਯੋ ॥

After observing this incident, he relinquished all the other Ranis. And

ਅਪਨੀ ਆਗ੍ਯਾ ਕੇ ਬਸਿ ਕੀਨੋ ॥

ਜਾਨੁਕ ਦਾਸ ਮੋਲ ਕੋ ਲੀਨੋ ॥੨੨॥

new Rani took control over Raja as if she had bought him.(22)

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

Dohira

ਤਾ ਦਿਨ ਤੈ ਤਾ ਸੋ ਘਨੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਬਢੀ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਇ ॥

From that day on, Raja’s love was enhanced towards her.

ਸਭ ਰਨਿਯਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਵ ਕੇ ਚਿਤ ਤੇ ਦਿਯੋ ਭੁਲਾਇ ॥੨੩॥

Raja eradicated from his heart the love for all other Ranis.(23)(1)

ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਖ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਦਸ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੧੧੦॥੨੧੦੬॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥

110th Parable of Auspicious Chritars Conversation of the Raja and the Minister, Completed With Benediction. (110)(2104)

March 10, 2020

What an interesting Charitar!

This is the 2nd part of the Sassi Punnu story. Punnu has been murdered by his first wife Prabhavati, and Dharam Raaj calls for her own life in return, for which Urvasi volunteers. Urvasi makes a very intelligent assertion in his darbar that those who are steadfast in their dharam are very hard to kill, but those who are not, you hold them (their life) in your hands.

Urvasi then proceeds towards to Prabhavati's Kingdom where her son is now King. Prabhavati feels happy that the restrictions on her being married to Punnu are now lifted and she feels she can live life as she desires. She feels happy to be a widow. However meeting Urvashi, who calls himself "Mohan" she falls for him completely. Mohan does not accept her advances as HER home, but instead says she must travel to HIS home. Prabhavati does as such, like a fly flying straight into a spider's web. This is reinforcing what Urvashi told Dharam Raj that "their lives are in your hands."

There Mohan kills her with poison to take revenge for Punnu.

These were the main aspects that stood out for me. That people who are weak in dharam are easier to trap and kill than those who are strong. That Mohan didn't kill Prabhavati at her place but instead let her fall into his trap at his place.

March 10, 2020

7 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

I would expect no less from absurd anti-Hindu bashing site pretending to promote spirituality.

Haha...play the martyr again.

You have been given a lot of tolerance here with your rubbish. You're not a sikh. Why do you need to plague a sikh forum? If you expect no less, then go. Why are you still hanging around?

March 10, 2020

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

And what exactly are you doing to HELP those FIRS of Sikhs viciously attacked in 1984

I am ever-ready to support them either morally, financially and personally.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Do you think "BJP" has a magic wand

Yes, it's called government. bajrang janta party rules therefore holds a magic wand called power. It has the power to restore justice to those Sikhs yet avoids doing so and prefers to protect the killers of Sikhs.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

But... you accuse me of "protecting killers of Sikhs" while sitting in my home. How do I do that exactly?

By defending their killers online. Not covertly but BRAZENLY. How much time have you spent defending those who hide the killers of Sikhs on this forum over the last few days?

It's very clear.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

What is "Hindutva rule" exactly? Some mythical Hindu's only state somewhere? Doesn't exist.

Yes this hindutva rule about some imaginary motherland.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Who would you prefer "rule" in India anyway?

People with a conscience. Not murderers, or those who support or defend them.

Why do you prefer the government of murderers and protectors of murderers?

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Really? A sampradaya (सम्प्रदाय) is a religious lineage or succession of gurus.

Buta was thrown out of nirankari darbar and started up his own cult narakdhari. A cult is not a samprdaye.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

When Punjabi has a wedding, and they are drinking, smoking, dancing in hall with Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..

Again, you have shown yourself to be a cheap whore. Where has anyone done that in the same hall as SGGS? You know it but are grasping for sensationalist arguments now.,

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

But I feel most sorry for your daughters because you have such disrespectful low opinion of women you call abusive names instead of having discussion.

Having discussion? Its because of your method of discussion, your lies and defence of mass murderers, that you are called out for what you are.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Fortunately I do not have to live in household of your mentality.

Fortunately for you. If any of my sisters or daughters were to display the convictions you have towards justice they would be disowned.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

When did I ever sanction torture and murder>?

By defending those who committed it. How many times do you need to ask?

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Congress govt did that.

So that means the bajrang janta party can wash its hands of it? How disgusting.

10 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

Who gave the Hindutva such a label?

They did themselves.

March 9, 2020

What you graduating in brother?

March 9, 2020

41 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Pakistan is using you, they despise Sikhism and want to warp you into a version of Taliban.

Every Khalistani I know of, are very clear about Pakistans intentions. We make no bones about it, and neither do we condone their own terrorism or support it, or try to defend it.

But cheap whores like yourself are hellbent on trying to defend the terrorist hindutva regime. The safforn brigade despots who you defend despise Sikhs and want to turn us into a warped version of rakshas like the narakdharis.

March 9, 2020

20 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Both sides tell a different version of the story.

Yet you stick to one only. The one that you feel vindicates your feelings of hindutva rule. To you all others who get in the way of this are targets for murder, arrest and torture. You have tried your utmost to validate the oppression of the indian state against sikhs under some false label of sanatan sikhs. narakdharis aren't Sikhs by any stretch of the imagination. Unless your a hindutva activist.

20 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Time reveals truth however.

Time helps reveal the truth certainly. Thge truth that your terrorist bjp regime has not to date done ahnything about the state sanctioned murders of Sikhs but has moved rather to protect the killers. They protect the killers of Sikhs sitting in their offices. You protect the killers of Sikhs sitting in your home.

21 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Sant Nirankaris as well as many other sanatan sikh sampraday

narakdharis are not sikhs, so they cannot be a samprday.

22 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

The Tat Khalsa Sikhs excommunicated sant Nirankaris,

Yes. Because they denigrated the Gurus. the narakdhari leader putting his cockroach feet on Sri Guru Granth Sahib. That must be so pleasing to you, but its not to any Sikh.

22 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Who struck first? I'm inclined to believe from the hate-mongering and intolerance and history of targeted killings by the pro-Khalistanis,,, and not the Sant Nirankaris...

The narakdharis by putting their cockroach feet on SGGS and insulting gurbani. You are of course inclined to blame nirankaris, because you are like I said earlier, a cheap whore for the hindutva brigade.

22 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

So what... Kill them? Is that the answer? Exterminate them? Murder their leaders? throw GRENADES into their prayer hall? How can you not see the destructiveness in such a path?

Isn't this your method to deal with Khalistanis? You advocate the same for people who support Khalistan, and make no bones about it. Yet you see the destructiveness in others. So deceitful.

23 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I have altered some time ago to say I am not a Sikh, but a Hindu.

You aren't a hindu though are you. When did Lord Shiva ever sanction torture and murders of those people who asked for their human rights? When did Sri Ram Chander call for the deaths and torture of the rakshas because of what raavan did?

You are not a hindu but a rakhsas. No person who has faith in Sri Vishnu or Shiv Ji Maharaj would ever contemplate doing what your terrorist saffron brigade have done in the guise of some imaginary "motherland".

Drop the hindu label. Recognise yourself for what you are. A rakhsas.

23 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Okay. At least I don't praise murderous militancy and executions of persons who don't hold the same views as mine.

What a liar. You have been doing nothing but supporting them here.

23 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

1984 lead by non-Hindu indaitya, and non-Hindu Rajiv..

egged on by aryan lal kishan advani and aryan vajpaiyee.

23 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I never saw anywhere Hindu's from RSS or VHP or BJP say anything bad, or stir up hatred, or provoke violent attack against Sikh community.

Course you haven't. You haven't got the eyes to see the truth.

March 9, 2020

17 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

All I see is a long history of vicious, bloody targeted murders, goonda-vadi.

You saw what you wanted to see in other words.

How did you miss the narakdhari attack on the Sikhs at Gurdwara Bangla Sahib in 1972 where 3 Sikhs were killed and scores injured?

How did you miss the attacks on Sikhs in delhi by the narakdharis from 1972 to 1976?

How did you miss the attack on Sikhs at Mehta Chowk by the Nirankaris shortly after the taksal dera was established there in the early 1970s?

You missed it because you wanted to. Correct?

These narakdharis are not sikhs. They do not believe in Guru Granth Sahib as their Guru. Simple as. You don't believe in Guru Granth Sahib as your Guru either. You can call yourself whatever misleading label you choose. All I see is a long history of vicious, bloody targeted murders, goonda-vadi against the Sikhs by these so-called sanatan ~~sikhs~~ hindus.

March 8, 2020

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Entire Khalistan militancy wasn't about creating a separate homeland... that's just a myth. It was about TARGETED KILLINGS to eliminate an entire section of Sikh population, which identified with Hindu.

Name some.

March 8, 2020

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

how true were his words after time and again hearing sanatan Sikhs and deray being attacked

Name some.

March 8, 2020

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

Jaggi is not being "illegally" detained

Again for those short of understanding because of their devotion to injustice and support of terrorist states, Jaggi has been in jail now for 3 years. His case has not progressed beyond FIR. Why ? Ask yourself. If there was genuine evidence against jaggi he would have been sentenced immediately.

March 8, 2020

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I have always accused or said KPS Gill is guilty of rape, torture and murder absolutely. Even on this very thread. You have exposed nothing at all.

Because you place your faith in him as a bastion of truth when it comes to the origins of the Khalistan movement.

March 8, 2020

Just now, HarjasDevi said:

Tell me at the event, do you have evidence, recordings or such, newspaper articles that Hanspal promoted and advocated for violent attacks (pogrom) against Sikhs?

I never said he did. I said that by being there in person, he was defending the governmants actions against the Sikhs.

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

Really, you call me a cheap whore now?

Well you certainly act and talk like one for terrorists.

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

That's fine dear, I will pray for you.

Please don't. Prayers from you would be poison. Someone who can revel in the illegal detention and torture of jaggi, whilst labelling him a murderer even though he has not been proved guilty should NOT pray for anyone else.

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

Okay. It is not even Congress government in power now, and Modi has long spoken against anti-Sikh pogrom..

Spoken ? WHo cares about "spoken"? It's action that is needed. Actions speak louder than words.

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

When did I defend those who killed sons of Punjab...

Same question again? When you support the ideology of murderous states because of some "motherland" rubbish.

March 8, 2020

3 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Yes I have always said KPS Gill was guilty of murder, torture and rape.

No you haven't. You've only admitted to it grudgingly when you knew that you were exposed.

3 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

No the murder of holy man Jaswant Singh Khalra is a horror to the civilized world and must be protested until the end of time.

How much protest have your beloved bjp carried out against his murder? How much have you advocated for Khalra to your indian state overlords? The same ones you betray your motherland for?

3 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

We need people like him to expose criminality and corruption in government so that innocents don't suffer

Khalra exposed your murdering indian state troopers 25 years ago. Whats the point of exposing them if the government only acts to shield the killers, or ignores the exposure?

Jaggi is innocent until proven guilty. Yet he has been tortured and in jail for years. Isn't he as per universal human rights laws innocent? So why is he suffering? Why are you making him suffer even more?

3 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Just because KPS Gill is correct that Khalistani militancy has from the beginning targeted Sanatan Sikhs for murder

That in itself is wrong. Khalistan moevement had nothing to do with sanatan sikhs, whatever that means. Our struggle was against the non-ending injustice against the Sikhs and Panjab since 1947. Our motherland.

March 8, 2020

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I said Hanspal wasn't supporting the Khalistani separatist agenda at the World Sikh conference in 1984, as to promote unity of India against issue of separatism.

Of course he wasn't ! The World sikh conference was a congress event. Why would the congress let any one but their own supporters speak there?

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

ANYWHERE but MOTHERLAND?

Panjab is my motherland. The same land where the sons of Panjab were killed in their thousands by the terrorist indian state. How does it feel to be such a cheap whore for the indian terrorist glorifying and defending those who killed the sons of Panjab in their thousands? My mind boggles at that.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

And now can do nothing less than advocate extremist hate for Hindus,

I don't hate hindus. I love any hindu that allows me and my people to breathe. You clearly support those who have been and continue to suffocate my people.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

and blind support of any foreign state or jihadi attempt to break apart India... well try that in UK, USA, Canada, Germany, Malaysia.. you'll find yourself on trial for treason and terrorism and disappear.

Here the western powers have already devolved parliaments and assemblies to give people more of a say in their regions.

March 8, 2020

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

KPS Gill told the truth about Khalistani militants targeting their sectarian rivals from sanatan deray for cold-blooded murder.

gill told many lies in his book to cover up his criminality. The disappearances of thousands from Panjab. For which Jaswant Singh Khalra was also killed by your utopian hindutva state. That must have pleased you no end to hear of Khalra's death.

1 minute ago, HarjasDevi said:

Who did I advocate be attacked, beaten or killed?

You advocate for the defence of those that did. Joint enterprise is what we call it in the UK. You share the responbility for those deaths personally by supporting those who committed the actual murders and by denigrating those who was justice for them.

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I am not advocating against him, I hope and even pray he gets a fair trial.

You only labelled him a murderer some hours ago. If you really hoped that he would get a fair trial, you would have responded to, nay even mentioned it before i did, that he has been in jail for over 3 years yet his case has not even progressed one inch in your criminal state.

You have exposed yourself again, as a liar and a fraud. You have no genuine sympathy for any Sikh that has been tortured or killed by your motherland.

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

If he is proved innocent I will be the first to send him my regards and be sure on media that is is widely known.

"If he is proved innocent" ?? What happened to the universal human right of "innocent until PROVED GUILTY" ? That doesn't happen in your terrorist hindutva state does it.

You will be there with more lies. That is all you are. One lie after another.

2 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

I'm not a Namdhari

Who said you was?

March 8, 2020

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

What is really deeply sad to me... is that it took a demon like KPS Gill to actually speak the truth about it...

Demons always tell the truth don't they? Murderers always admit truthfully to their murders don't they?

And criminal apologists like yourself "speak the truth" about it don't they?

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

You accuse me of so many things...

You reveal these things about you. And then lie about them. And then I expose your poison for what it really is.

You want to share some more namdhari videos? Sure...

March 8, 2020

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

You have extremely unclear thinking. He was not a Khalistani, that's for sure

Who said he was a Khalistani? i didn't. You have somewhere exerted that brain cell of yours and assumed that I did. That is unclear thinking.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

Show me where anyone from Namdhari Panth advocated that innocent Sikhs should be attacked, beaten, robbed, raped, tortured, killed?

Again with your unclear thinking! I never said that. I said, and produced irrefutable evidence that "someone from namdhari panth" was defending the mass murderers of Sikhs. Defending mass murderers is almost as bad. Those victims were killed once by the congress, and then again by the likes of hanspal. A namdhari, in case you are unclear of his religion.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

Now you flip and flop to grab some Congressi guy who is a Namdhari spinning damage control of his political party to suppress witness statement to media.

"Flip flop"? I knew that video would expose you and the criminal appologist that you are. Look at how you try and put a spin on it. So amusing.

March 8, 2020

26 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

No, you have done the topic diversion into personal attack on me, let's be honest here.

You, who support criminals and murderers, and spread lies about it, are always going to be exposed. You sound like a thief who's been caught by the police saying that. A thief nonetheless.

26 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

1. TOTALLY unrelated. BJP GOVERNMENT is not the COURT system or lawyers or police investigators.

No they are the ruling party which is bound by dharma to uphold justice. Have they done so in the last 20 years? No they haven't.

27 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

Jagtar Singh Jaggi no doubt is a Khalistani, abundant evidence links him to radicalizing people and links with members of banned militant group. Did he cross a line and become active supporter and bring funds to Pakistan based Khalistan Liberation Force? Police and investigators say they have evidence he did conspire to commit targeted killings which did happen. What evidence do you have that deny's his involvement such to refute the charges?

I'm a Khalistani. Does that mean I should be jailed, tortured or murdered by you or your people?

If the police had genuine evidence against Jaggi, they would not have waited for over 3 years in dragging his case out. This is typical behaviour of the "justice" system in your terrorist utopia. To keep people locked away and drag out cases, because they have no other way to keep them in jail through lack of evidence.

27 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

At least you admit that you have no evidence.

You claimed Jaggi was a murderer. Without evidence. Now you try and protect the criminals from their injustices meted out to Jaggi. You don't even have the honesty or integrity to admit that you were lying and then get caught with your false information.

27 minutes ago, HarjasDevi said:

your entire agenda is to spread rabid hate and blame against every Hindu and sanatan Sikh while defending Paki controlled terrorist outfits

And your entire agenda is to defend the rabid injustice of your terrorist state and instead try and drag others into it to excuse your own bloodthirsty activities. No Paki controls me. But you are control by this hindutva agenda and you will NEVER succeed here. The admins of this site may be comatose as usual but I will be here to expose your lies and support for tyranny.

March 8, 2020

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

No Namdhari ever supported Congress government pogrom against Sikhs,

Again trying to cover the misdeeds of others when it suits your agenda. I have already stated that Hanspal supported the indian states' World Sikh Conference in 1984, and even after did everything to cover the killings of people by the indian state.

Now watch this you criminal apologist! Hanspal tries his best to get an victim of 84 genocide to not give a statement against sajjan kumar.

March 8, 2020

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

Then you are incapable of discussion, and stick blindly to only one-side...

And you are incapable of discussion with your essay copy and pastes which only move the discussion away from what it is, in a direction of apologist nonsense for your bleoved hindutva ideology.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

BJP is a political party. They are neither the government which ordered, sanctioned and perpetrated the killings...

Yet they are the government. By your warped thinking the allies and successive german governments should never have pursued nazi war criminals as they happened under a different regime. How disgusting!

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

I am neither judge, nor jury nor executioner,,, I have neither compiled evidence of his involvement or complicity, either direct or indirect.

Yet you boldy claimed "Jaggi committed murders which complicates his case..."

How disgusting!

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

Perhaps it is the other way around.

When I accuse others of murder without any evidence, and protect murderers in the name of some bogus nationalism, then yes it may be the other way around. But until that time, we can safely say that it is true about you.

1 hour ago, HarjasDevi said:

In the first place, you have not established with any evidence that current government of India is 1. "terrorist" or 2. "fascist."

If they hide/excuse/ignore the crimes of the previous government then they are just as guilty, for they hold that power to address justice yet remain committed to not doing so.

March 8, 2020

On 3/7/2020 at 11:20 PM, HarjasDevi said:

Namdhari Panth in every way is swaroop of true Gursikhi.

Gursikhi is more than the swaroop.

On 3/8/2020 at 1:36 AM, Soulfinder said:

Bhen ji true but now they have no use for the Sikh Panth especially since they didn't help in 1984 when we really needed it.

Of course they didn't. They did exactly the opposite.

One of the biggest supporters of the Panjab congress was an namdhari. Harvinder Singh Hanspal was a high ranking member of the Naamdhari Panth. He was also a high ranking member of congress party in 1980s in Panjab. Hanspal also participated in the indian terrorist backed "World Sikh Conference" in 1984 to support the indian state's terrorist actions.

On 3/8/2020 at 5:49 AM, HarjasDevi said:

All Sikhs were targeted in 1984. Namdhari Panth didn't support the separatist state of Khalistan. You must differentiate what the allegation is... they didn't help Sikhs, or they didn't take up arms in support of anti-India militancy? for those are separate things. Khalistanis are not all Sikhs. Khalistan is not about Sikhism.

The allegation is simple. They did zero, actually minus zero to help any Sikhs in those decades.

March 8, 2020

11 hours ago, HarjasDevi said:

BJP did not order or sanction the murders as Congress Party did. Why are they charged as being more responsible than Congress?

I'm not going to read through your essays. I have never done and won't start now.

Have the BJP done anything to bring the criminals of the indian state to justice? No. So they have been/are an instrument in denying justice. They are protecting the killers that belong to the indian state. So they are JUST AS responsible for the murders.

The absurd lengths you will go to to defend this terrorist hindutva regime is simply what you are. A fascist.