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chatanga1

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  1. I didn't take it anywhere brother. I just said that your plane thing was nonsense.
  2. 84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards. Where? Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have? As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas. Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.
  3. I didn't either. It doesn't make any sense about the plane. Either elaborate on this clearly or just leave the conversation where it is.
  4. But the plane needs both wings to fly and they are not competing with each other, claiming to be the sole reason that the plane will be better if either have dominance.
  5. OK bro, maybe I'm getting confused on your point. It seemed to me that you were saying the Islamic power would be a good counter balance to capitalist/socialist/communist power structures around the world. What did you mean by the above statement? Please elaborate.
  6. The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour. Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out . Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world. I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state. In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step. But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law: As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.
  7. I have started reading this book, and as with all books on partition of Panjab, it makes a VERY depressing read! I was hoping that this book would have truly reflected the feelings of the Sikh leadership and masses, but it carries a great irritiation from the author that the Sikhs won't accept themselves to be Hindu or part of the wider hindu pantheon. She makes the odd historical mistake here and there, but takes digs at the Singh Sabha and Gurdwara Sudhar Lehars. She also quotes from some quite hideous authors to back up the india-wide assertion that Sikhs were essentially part of the hindu society until the 1880s when they came under the infuence of the British to assert themselves as a separate people. So disappointing.
  8. Glad to see that some news outlets are taking the issue of assassinations of Sikhs more seriously. If only the british govt would have the same approach but while rishi is in charge that will never happen.
  9. How generous of the Maharashtra government to "withhold it for broader consultation" !!! The fact that they must have been planning for months before doing it, and to even think about it in the first place shows that their intentions. I'm just glad that on the one side the hazoori Sikhs have kind of woken up to the deceitful nature of the indian states and their regional and central governments. Hopeful one day the delhi sikhs will shake off their slumber as well.
  10. Listen to around 15 mins onwards but specifically around 24:40 to hear the "Buddha Dal jathedars" views on Baba Surjeet Singh
  11. @jaikaara Why is this hindutva agent not saying anything about this ? He lives there in Nander, and has always pretended to be friendly to any Sikh who is against Khalistan and freedom for Panjab. What's Balbir Singh going to do? He can't visit Nander because the Nihangs there hate him. They don't accept him as Jathedar of anything. And it doesn't surprise me. I saw a video of Balbir Singh slandering Baba Surjeet Singh and saying the most stupid things about Surjeet Singh and his beard, claiming that Surjeet Singh kept his beard like a muslim. What kind of drivel is that to come from anyones mouth, let alone a so-called jathedar of Buddha Dal?
  12. The actual place according to the katha in Gurdwara Nanaksar, Jhang, Pakistan. This is the current condition of the historic gurdwara. It took me one year to listen all through the katha of Sri Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin. I feel blessed and have learnt so much from this Granth. I cannot recommend it enough and it has proved a valuable soure for some questions I had about Sikh history. I hope my brothers on this forum have already started their journey into the katha of this granth.
  13. Cameron pledges to help Scot imprisoned in India https://www.gg2.net/cameron-pledges-to-help-scot-imprisoned-in-india/ Let's see what Cameron does and hopefully it won't be any worse than Bo-Jo and his Iranian case.
  14. No, as they were killed by the military rather than villagers. Plus the Muslims wanted to take the Sikh lands and properties so if they did convert to Islam, they would still be able to hold onto those properties.
  15. In Sheikhupura, Sikhs had taken refuge in a factory, where they were soon to be surrounded by muslim military, and machine-gunned. Some 1200 Sikhs were killed in this massacre.
  16. Here https://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature?browse=Steeks_and_Teekas look under the folder for Dasam Granth and its the one by Pandit Giani Narain Singh Lahore Walae lots of valuable Granths on there also.
  17. Sri Charitro Pakhyan Granth from Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib.
  18. And he couldn't find no better way of going about it? The stupid name-calling. The stupid GIFs. And do you really think here on this forum that we are against fighting castiesm or caste domination?
  19. I'd be surprised if Azerbaijan invaded Armenia. They have got what they wanted for 20 years in taking over Nagorno Karabagh. Azerbaijan has also been warned by Iran that it should not overplay it's hand with Armenia. Turkey and Russia in the meantime have given strong support to Azerbaijan. Yet Iran is still supporting Russia against Ukraine. Israel has supported Azerbaijan in retaking Nagorno Karabagh, as they are not on good terms with Iran. It's a mess isn't it lol?
  20. Great thread. The naqba of the palestinians happened in 1948, 1 year after the naqba of the Sikhs. Yet the Sikhs are generally mute to their own naqba in Panjab. It's like we have forgotten, or chosen to forget what happened in 1947. Its why Yasser Arafat was a great supporter of Nehru and Indira Gandhi, as they claimed to be secularists as well. But the state of India also got help and advice from Israel in counter-terrorism for Operation Bluestar, as the Israelis had been conducting such like operations for years. Both enemies. Both supporting India. It seems like their plan to create infighting between Palestinians backfired as one side came out very dominant. And then decided to kill 1000 Israelis.
  21. If you look at Dal's posts from 10 years ago, he was at times talking the same trash, he was talking about a month ago. It's hard to beleive, yet true, that for all his academic prowess, research skills and general eloquence in discussing such topics, he has not moved an iota from his castiest drivel and mental block. Life is about becoming wiser and more forgiving and less intolerant as you grow older, but this dude just bucked the trend. Maybe he has not been posting here out of embarrassment.
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