chatanga1

Ok, but we'd like to share the "Rape of the Sikh people by the British Empire" with you

im quite aware of the british and thier activities wiv the sikhs. however the british were always there to exploit. not like the "indians" who pretend to be our friends/well-wishers etc and do the same thing our enemies do. So dont try and be a clever alec and post turds.

i'll leave you wiv a qoute from malcolm x. " i have more respect for the KKK who hate negroes and are open about it, than the US who hate us as much but pretend to be our friends..."

Nihang Niddar Singh duz himself no favours by writing misleading stuff about other jathe. personally i believ that he a special talent, but he has dug a hole for himself.

and its not the first hole either.

quote "jattboot"]Do you have another conspiricy theory you want to share with us, Tony?

the conspiracy of the "Rape of the Sikh people by the Indian govt". i'd like to share that wiv evryone on this forum.

shaheediyan, are you saying that the raags we use are not divine? I have read in my books of raags that Raag Sri Raag originated from Bhagwaan Shiv Ji, and that some of the raagd are dev raags, ie used to be /still are played in Inder's court eg devgandhari(if i remmeber correctly) .

it seems to me that these have been deliberately scarred/scratched.

lol dynamic banda, didnt you know that Balbir's jatha returned fire and killed thier atacker? now the real question is who gave the buffalo the gun?

so is Gurbilas Patshahi 10 gurbani? MDS?

whywould this trouble Bhain Mani Singh to call Guru ji a Fakir?

Bhai Ji Gurdas was never troubled to call Guru Nanak baba Ji.

fateh Singh Ji

do you think there may be a possibility of the scribes writing these differences than Guru Ji himself?

you know, i thought exactly da same about this when i read it, that it may have been staged just to get more govt resources. etc security, cars , firearms...

quote justme :

"I dumb and dont know much but..."

It should be I'm dumb.

qouting shaheediyan :

"When a senior/respected member of a household departs (who used to hold his house in order and family together), the youngsters, holding onto varying memories of their father, and a mutual respect, eventually go there own way. Its the natural order of things. "

should read go THEIR own way.

quote MS :

"To ask why there are Udasis, Nirmalas, Nihangs and Sevapanthis in the Sikh community is as foolish as to ask why a given society needs medics, maywers and cops. "

should read LAWYERS ....

other than that, very interesting and informative replies!

Khima,

chatanga

Bhai Fateh Singh ji, can you elaborate on the prophesy Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave about Satguru Ram Singh returning?

Did 10th Guru also say that 12th Guru will disappear for about 130 years as well?

good point dtf.

I want to share something wiv the sangat as well. I was listening to a tape of Sant Jarnail Singh, and he stated that he was asked why the jatha duznt just stick to santhiya, and he replied that the situation (regarding the nirankaris) required that parchaar of shabad guru was the main priority.

dtf's post has reminded me of the words of Sant Jarnail Singh, and its is true. There are only so many hours in the day. we have to prioritise our actions, individually and as a community as well.

Sant Ranjit Singh has done a lot of good parchaar, and i think also that being a young man he appealed more to younger people, than if someone who had a long white beard were to say exactly the same thing. Am i alone in this thinking?

i went, and it was a brilliant programme. Giani ranjit Singh's discourse on DG was superb.

its not just the politicians. a llot of people are trying to change gurmat so they can suit their own lifestyles, ie saying that keeping kes is not necessary ...

MKS knows who its for.

is this why you failed your a-levels?

i think they insist on more fighting in sgpc maryada. and shouting.

nirmalas dont really practice the art of war. how could a nirmala have killed a jathedar nihang in battle? think about it.

you omitted Tirath Singh you naughty boy!

his brotehr converted about 20 years ago.

i knew harvinder personally, and he was a top guy.

again i ask the question if budha dal means thsoe over 40, were all of Guru Jis army in the 4 battles over 40?

lol again read puratan granths to find out panth khalsa full detailed history, budhal dal go's back to Baba Budha Ji in the 6th Gurus time.

only in the minds of Budha Dal. Budha Dal was created for those people of a certain age ie over 40. Taruna Dal was for under 40s. this was under Nawab Kapur Singh. were all of the sikhs over 40 in the 4 battles of Guru Hargobind Sahib?

i think that you will find that Baba Binod Singh fell out with Baba Banda Bahadur over battle tactics, and that was way after Baba Banda Bahadur "ignored " guru's hukam.

shortly after this falling out between Binod Singh and Banda Bahadur, Banda Bahadur was captured in gurdas nangal and became shaheed in delhi. all the stuff that that we hear bad about him, never actually made Binod Singh leave his side.

and this budha dal, jathedar stuff? budha dal wasnt even created then.