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I stumbled across Pran Sangli today and had a quick look at it. One thing i noticed was that the shabads were written in Raags. So would this mean that Guru Arjan Dev wrote the raags to this granth?

And if it were not to be used for any purpose for the Sikhs, why would Guru written the raags for it?

thnaks harbhajan, ahve made a powerpoint pres to show 2mrow at gurdwara from the info you have given. nice one.

i have read that Bhai Mani Singh was of Rajput caste. any1 confirm this or disagree with this?

niranjana, can you shed more light on your statement that Sant jarnail Singh himself said that he descended from one jat who didnt ask for payment please?

i have heard more or less all his recordings, and i have never heard that b4.

thanks in advance.

viakaran arth is like what you get on sikhi to the max, just a literal translation of the line. but the antreev arth which is the deeper meaning of the line, the whys, hows, wherefores , if you like.

gangster the differencce is that the akj was built around what randhir singh thought and how he interpreted gurbani, in a very viakaran sense.

the taksal, nihang dals etc have been there form the times of Dasam pita and interpret gurbani in a viakaran sense and more importnantly in an antreev sense, as per Guru's order. You cannot fathom the mystical from viakran arth alone.

well done shaheediyan. yes panjabis use w instead of v when using english words.

i think that will be the post of the year so i hope my friend Fateh Singh will be noting this down.

bigger fish? the akj will go mental if you refer firstly to them as fish, and secondly cos of their being weggie warriors.

the raeson the akj will never accept Raagmala is that cos Randhir Singh never accpeted it. If they accept it it means they dont beleive randhir singh was 100% true.

this discussion only got this far?

Kind words Fateh Singh.

But i want the glory to go to both my ustaads who have been ever so patient with me , firstly the young Jujhar Singh, and 2nd-ly Ranbir Singh.

im getting a degree!! YAY!

Ustaad Harjinder Singh Lallie also teaches at Gurdwara Baba Ke on Hockley flyover past soho road, birmingham as well. They dont charge much at all.

there is a sikh community in Baghdad. s'pose they wud know but how wud 1 make contact wiv them?

from malaysia?

very interesting bro. very interesting.

gurmeet singh did a week at wednesfield a few weeks ago.

will try and find out.

prob giving them food and support finanacially so they will be grateful to the moevemnets and be drawn into whatever the head of that religion espouses.

so does anyone want to volounteer any thoughts on this?

http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?show...c=22548&hl=

is the original link.

This is an article which ive "borrowed" from another forum, as i have never seen this being discussed here. Opinions Khalsa Ji please.

Siri Gur Katha

Bhai Jaita Ji’s name shines in the Sikh history like a koh-i-noor diamond. He made a great sacrifice for the panth. It was only him who brought ‘Sees’ of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji from Delhi. It was him who fought numerous battles in Guru Sahib’s army and gave shaheedi at Chamkaur Sahib. He was not only a great gursikh but also a great poet and writer. He wrote Siri Gur Katha granth which remained hidden from the panth until recently. Even today most of the Sikhs are unaware of its existence. Bhai Sahib wrote much more but it is believed that due to wars and persecution it was lost. What remained stayed in the family of a gursikh.

Luckily, what remained is perhaps the most crucial information Sikhs need today. In the document Siri Gur Katha Bhai Sahib wrote eye witness accounts of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s Shaheedi, description of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, account of wars, and most importantly first Amrit Sanchaar. It also highlights rehat kurehat and some very fundamental beliefs of Gurmat which many of the Sikhs today hesitate to accept. I am not writing anything on my own (although it affirmed many of my beliefs) but I will post what it states. The purpose is for the readers to be aware of this and study it on their own. I am not trying to start any controversial topic or debate. Accepting it or rejecting it is the decision of the reader. I will post only if asked specific questions about the document. I do not have enough time to discuss it or post extractions. I won’t post everything written in it but following is what I understood from the text. Here is some of what is written by Bhai Sahib:

1) There is no one equal to Guru Sahib throughout ages. Following Gurmat will bring muktee.

2) “Waheguru†is gurmantar. A Sikh should always recite it.

3) Sikhs are not to lie, slander, eat tobacco, eat kuttha, smoke, drink, commit adultery, and follow brahmanical rituals.

4) Piercing is forbidden.

5) Always remember Waheguru and be prepared to fight Dharam Yudh.

6) Help everyone who comes to you.

7) Realize that everyone is the child of Waheguru. Reject caste system.

8) Always wear Shastars without which one is a jackal.

9) Never cut or trim hair.

10) Always greet everyone with Fateh.

11) Do not wear “Laal Sooha†and “Nasvaar†clothes.

12) Always do sangat of Gursikhs. Do not intermingle with patits.

13) Worship only Akal Purakh.

14) Always eat the food prepared by Amritdharis.

15) Accept everything as will of Waheguru.

16) Five Kakkars are Kes, Kangha, Kara, Kirpan and Kachera.

17) Always wear dastaar on the head.

Much more is written on rehat but these are enough points. Amrit Sanchaar is perhaps the most important of all. Bhai Sahib writes that Guru Sahib took five heads, dead became alive, five banis were recited etc.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

also we should not forget the art of horseriding as well.

i was watching a program on bbc caleed wild china. they showed the moghals still preserving the same traditions exactly ass they did over 1000 years ago. one of them was horse riding and little kids 5 or 6 yeras old were learning to ride and were expert riders when they were 8 years old.

we have a "nihang" sitting on a horse which is being held by a bihari!!!

im really sirprised by javanmard assertion of the raping of muslim women. would this make raping of non-muslim women a lesser crime?

anyhow the muslim league started large-scale violence against non-muslims way back in 1946. even b4 that there was violence against non-muslims in the western parts of panjab.

also what about the violence of rawalpindi in march 1947?

I guess that cutting breasts of sikh women was an act of chivalry on muslim people's part right?

i know that Sikhs committed many exceses on the muslims. but what is absurd is that the muslims were the innocent community in this violence with all the violence and murder they committed way before a sikh even drew his kirpan.

good support neo.

Mithr the marriage you describe wiv all the len-dhen dowry alcohol is not the mariage that our Guru has insructed us to carry out. this is just man-made superficial nonsense.

however the namdharis are folwing the hukam given by Satguru Ram Singh ji ,so the example you have given duznt reallty fit in here. plz refrain from doing so to score cheap points.

what im asking is that is the witness of Angi-Dev more cruicail than that of Guru?

Guru also says that Tri-dev were al subject to kaal. wasnt agni-dev subject to kaal?

and agina i ask that as evryone is not cremated simply by the circumstances in which they move on is spirit why the neccessity or importance given to agni-dev for such a ritual?