13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What about your peasant hypocrisy?

You'll have to explain it....lol

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

If you can start bringing in Haryani hindu jut phudhus who were murdering and raping Sikhs around 84 like it never happened, how are you any different to these people?

Like I said earlier, in plain english, furnish this forum with any names of Jaats who killed Sikhs in 1984, and then became Sikhs in the Kisaan Andolan.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

And the majority of extra judicial murders of 'kharkus' and innocents were done by juts of Sikh backgrounds, so what's your point? 

That sellouts and traitors exist in every colour, community, caste and country. What's your point?

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Is this guy your relative?

As far as I know, no.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

And who did this for India - hypocrite jut panchodayaa.

Absolutey. Those people views stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms, as more valuable than the sons of their mother.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Soon, I reckon I'm going come up north to teach you some integrity. 

You're not coming anywhere lol.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

It's your gundhaa jaat that does the dirty work for India against Sikhs. And will do so again in future. 

Did you see those tiranga waving Sikhs (read Hindus) in that video? I don't they are of "my" jaat.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I know you are in some backwards northern monkey 'pend' but can't we expect some coherence and relevance from you? 

Of course you can! I asked a very simple, cohorent question, in plain english, which you still haven't answered.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Nah, it get easier and easier these days because I have jut 'laagis'.

Maybe then you should get them to help you answer the question then? Obviously they (and me) invited these  Sikh-murdering hindu jaats into the Panth, so they can easily tell you why. I look forward to the answer.

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Chatanga used to be good, now he's just some backwards troll who pops up once in a blue moon (in between over eating and playing playstation like a man-child probably) with completely out of touch buckwaas.  

Good?? I'm amazing lol.

12 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What change? They kept a system they have been complaining about for decades.....

And which govt listened to those complaints? The farmers resisted this new system, which would have made them more vulnerable.

12 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Plus Rihanna made more of an impact than all juts put together or no one would have known or cared about this shyte. 

Well how did Rihanna get to know about it in the first place? Because of the thousands of farmers in Panjab and outside of Panjab, Sikh and non-Sikh, Jatt and non-Jatt alike protesting for months. Mighty rivers flow from drops of water Dal....lol

12 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Also, nihangs protected them - many of whom come from backgrounds juts traditionally oppress i.e. Mahzbhis. 

Those mazhabis were overlooking any caste affiliations and working for the betterment of all farmers then, good on them.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

So Sikhs can't even win election in Punjab but dream of a nation ruled by sikhs. How this is going to happen? 

Because people's perceptions change. Simple as that.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

You are comparing Aurangzeb with China. One wanted to convert entire India and the other just wanted some border land which they believe is thiers. 

I'm comparing how Sikhs have always been loyal to this artificial creation called india, in the face of external threats. Says so much about you that I had to make it blindingly obvious.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Hindu's also claimed that thousands of them killed by Sikhs .

They are welcome to bring figures and factual accounts. No Sikh denies that Hindus were wrongly targeted and killed at some times, but facts and figures are always needed. The kind that Jaswant Singh Kalra brought.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Did you ever said a word about it.

Many times. Maybe your eyes and ears were shut.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

And BTW it is you people who still have photo 's of a man who killed 329 people in Air india flight.

Every indian political office has a photo of nehru or modi, who were responsible for deaths in their thousands. And BTW it is you people who still bow and treasure those photos.

We won't put up a photo of this man you claim killed 329 people if you will take the photos of those men who killed thousands and thousands. Deal ?

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

The truth is when you are in conflict innocents die on both sides and all parties claim innocence.

Conflict is one thing Mr Hindustani, state terrorism and oppression is another.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

On the net you can have peaceful debate with everyone except a khalistani. All he start abusing and you you are no different. How you attached Ram with my name clearly show your mentality that Hindu's are inferior and any sikh who is not on our side is ram , kishan , devi

Hold on Mr Rapistani. It was YOU or ME that started this thread of a Sikh thanking Pakistanis for their help with Panjab's floods, and compared it with Muslims threatening Sikhs in Pakistan?

Is that peaceful debate? Then when you get labelled a kdRam you start crying? Typical dindu.

I have attached ram to you name because you certainly don't deserve to use the name Singh. You and your kind of people are a disgrace to the Guru and Gurmat.

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

What's wrong is that you people just want to keep your first class lives in UK Canada and USA while you need some poor sikh who just become cannon fodder and fight for you. If he gets killed or jailed you will just shout slogans against india. You want khalistan leave your country, come to india and fight for it. Just remote controlling it from Canada is nothing but cowardice. 

And get jailed for nothing? Tortured? Why ? What did Jagtar Johal do that he has been in jail for 5 years now, whilst the indian state have yet to start his case?

Jagtar is in jail and what have YOU done about an innocent man in the judicial system of your country?

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Telling a not so highly educated villager that we will recreate maharaja Ranjit Singh Raj which is not possible is nothing but using him as pawn

Typical hindu bhapa mentality. You have tried to tell these "not so highly educated villager" that they are hindus for the last 75 years? have they accepted that they are hindus? Or is it just you urban bhapa sikh (read hindu) types who have folded over and accepted it?

Why are you and your kind acting as pawns for the indian state? All these hindu bhape crying over the tiranga yet none of are concerned about 1 sikh being in jail for 5 years?  Is that the acts of "highly educated people" or traitors?

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Nobody is afraid of it , it is just used by handful of anti Sikh Hindus to spread hatred against Sikhs.

Well if you're not afraid of it, then why make threads like this in the first place? Why has you hindustan been complaing to Australian and Canadian authorities over it?

And why are you afraid of Hindus in india? You side with them. You love their tiranga more than your own Nishan Sahib, You accept that you are in essence a Hindu, so why are you afraid of Hindus?

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

In the end I just want to say that live in present not in past. What happened in 80s and 90s was terrible but nothing can be done now. India is now 10 times stronger while sikhs are extremely weak. Low birth rate christian conversions are major threats now . 

2 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

His wife fought lok sabha election from probably the most sikh dominated seat and this was the result. 

 

 

Khadoor Shaib Lok Sabha Results Live – Dimpa Leading, Bibi Khalra Trailing at 3rd Place

https://sikhsiyasat.net/khadoor-shaib-lok-sabha-results-live-dimpa-leading-bibi-khalra-trailing-at-3rd-place/

 

Wow. Give this guy a round of applause.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

If sikhs had so much problem with india then why the hell they kept voting for congress again and again in Punjab.

It was not a majority of Sikhs who voted Congress. The Congress vote is strengthened through the urban hindu and rural SC votes. It always has been.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

In 1962 Sikhs were largest donor of gold when China invaded . Why the hell sikhs Did that when congress . 

Because Sikhs wanted to show that in the face of external threats, they did not the internal forces to be weak.

Same as when Guru Gobind Singh Ji, himself an idol-breaker,  asked the pahari rajas to form an alliance against the moghals, but the pahari rajas prefered to side with the moghals.

Are you going to ask now why the hell did the Guru of the Sikhs do that?

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

Did the sikh leaders took those gurantees on legal papers.

No and that was their main plank of failure. But it was a double sided sword. The Sikh leadership thought they could rely on the words on the next PM of India.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

Without something written everything else is baseless

Yes and the Sikhs found that out very quickly when Master Tara Singh was arrested for treason in 1949, and jailed.

But in India even written things can be baseless. Like your PM Manmohan lying to the UN Human Rights Commission that no torture or extrajudicial killings were happening in Panjab. The same subject that Jaswant Singh Khalra talked about in his video. Today being the day in 1995 that he paid for with his life. And  you making up excuses to shift the blame to Sikhs and absolve your country and govt of any wrong doing. And you don't feel no shame about it either.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

Also sikhs trusting Hindu 's was only option as The choice was India and Pakistan. Sikh country was neither offered nor feasible as Sikh population was too small and scattered . 

So the question is why the Hindus took that level of trust and betrayed it. They knew our weak position and our reliance on them and they purposely backstabbed the Sikhs. And you get upset and cry over Sikhs burning their flag.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

What happened in 80s and early 90s was wrong.

 

Is that all you have to say Mr genocide apologist? some 30,000 Sikhs killed in false encounters. Thousands more unaccounted for. Your state giving those killers stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms? And you beaming with pride at your countrys flag?

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

Conducting phoney refrendum,

Why are you so invested in it then? Why is your country so fearful and vindictive over it? The referendum is as phoney as the flag you love.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

gathering some pendu's and dreaming them recreation of Maharaja Ranjit Singh Raj. Is this solution for you

Pendu's ? It was these same people who bore the brunt of torture and state murder. They have the same rights to freedom as all human rights do. Why would you want to deny them those human rights? You sound just like a moghal would. Or a nazi.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

The present census is not conducted but there is good chance that sikh population is now below 55% of Punjab. So even if your imaginery khalistan is created chances of Bhagwant mann type non practicing sikh

Who cares if the PM of Khalistan would be practising or not. The issue is not of whether they practice or not. The issue is of freedom. Something you need to do with your own mind. Free yourself from that tiranga. Darbara Singh claimed to be a practising Sikh, but under his rule, torture was rife in Panjab. Modi could claim to be a practicing Hindu, but I can't Lord Ram Chander or Lord Shiva supporting his actions against minorities.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

much higher than any hot headed khalistani becoming pm. 

And there you go. Your blindness and hatred means you see all Khalistanis as hot-headed. Says so much about you. You're no different from those snakes in delhi really.

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

The truth is you people are just fulfilling your wishes of a sikh nation .

And whats wrong with that?

1 hour ago, kdsingh80 said:

If Sikhs has problem then they either vote for khalistani party or some aggressive sikh party not some secular party like AAP in Punjab.

Well AAP was given a chance in Panjab and they started well, but faltered very quickly. And thats why Khalistan Party won the Sangrur elections.

On 3/23/2022 at 8:49 PM, chatanga1 said:

b. I hope that Maan sees that democracy has taken him to the chair of CM and that he also doen't use force to silence the freedom of speech that democracy gives when it comes to Sikhs of Panjab.

Maan has been CM for a year and half now. It's very apparent he is no different from the previous CMs in terms of running or improving a state, and reducing or removing corruption. He is also not no different from previous CMs when it comes to basic human rights.

Bump

5 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

 Who mercilessly slaughtered sikhs in 1947 then what's strange if sikhs in india protest against Khalistan.

kdram80 - do you know what happened today in Sikh history? It was this day in 1995 that Jaswant Singh Khalra was abducted and disappeared because of your beloved india.

You talk about "mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in 1947" but strangely never talk about mercilessly slaughtered Sikhs in the 1980s/90s. Why ?

Watch this video to see the actions of your beloved india if you have the courage to do so.

5 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

If Khalistani sikhs are dreaming of brotherhood with muslim punjabi's and pakistani 's. Who mercilessly slaughtered sikhs in 1947 then what's strange if sikhs in india protest against Khalistan.

Well...the thing is mr hindustani...Sikhs dreamt of brotherhood with India and its Hindu majority. And look how that turned out. You aren't even a Sikh in India. You're a hindu. And you were labelled a HIndu in 1949 when the constitution was written.

But before you were labelled a Hindu, when you still had your identity as a Sikh, you were labelled a "Juraim Pesha" - a criminal. So are you one or the other? Or both?

The Muslims offered, promised and guaranteed the Sikhs nothing. The Hindu led Indian government offered, promised and guaranteed everything to the Sikhs and yet delivered nothing. So who is more trustworthy? The snake that did and said nothing, or the snake that did and then bit you?

Why do you feel the need to keep running to muslim conduct during 1947 as some kind of deflection for what the indian govt has done since 1947?

5 hours ago, kdsingh80 said:

Any khalistani activity protest indian flag burning severely affect sikhs living in rest of india. Do sikhs outside india ever think about them

I don't agree with flag burning myself. I think we should be more classier and smarter than that. Even though your flag, the flag that you are so proud of, has caused untold misery to the Sikhs, it should still be respected. But PEOPLE like you, can never be respected. Your whole talk, your demeanour is hindutva. Your loyalty is to the savage tiranga rather than the Nishan Sahib.

You want Khalistani Sikhs to think  about Sikhs living in the rest of India. Since when has that concerned you? You have a widows colony in your midst. You don't live far from a historical Gurdwara that is now a Mandir because of 1984, yet you want US to think about Sikhs living in the rest of India?

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

You can't talk about sh1t, you and your family have been pro Badal fudhus from day. 

Rough day eh Dal? ......lol.

Sounds like you have been trying really hard with those rural desis today.

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

It says a lot about jut fudhus like you that you castigate the Delhi lot,

It's called calling a spade a spade......lol

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

but ignore your own 'biraderi's' recent love affair with Haryani Hindu jaats.

Yes I asked "Well obviously you know more than us on this subject. Let's hear the names of those jaats who murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84 who then became Sikhs in 2020/21...." but you didn't answer. Was the above repeat of your same question, just to buy yourself some time? I'm patient. Let's hear those names when you have it.

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Don't be such a hypocrit, say it like it is peasant - your caste is more important to you than Sikh dharam ever has been.   

Ok, if it makes you happy....my caste is more important to me than Sikh dharam ever has been....lol

16 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

And NOW you pop your head up on the forum after years of sitting around playing computer games, when your skirt wearing, head waggling, wife sharing 'brotherhood' is rightly questioned on its bull5hit. 

NOW? I've always been here. And yes, I am really good at Black Ops lol.

Now you have been on the ball so to speak for the last few years, it won't be hard for you to furnish this forum with the names of  "The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84. "

On 9/4/2023 at 5:39 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Oh it's oxford. No surprise there. They're animously determined to revise history and destroy Sikhi. 

Not only Oxford but this particular paper was written by the Chair of Sikh Studies at Wolverhampton University - none other than Opinderjit Takkar. There's a reason. Obviously she does not care about kes and such, so tries to justify it with "Guru Granth Sahib doesn't say anything about kes etc"

What are these people going to do for the future of the Panth. I'm worried.

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

Did you not see when jut pockets were about to get hurt (during the kishaan andolaan),

Is that what you saw? Only Jatts? The Kisaan Andolan had that name for a particular reason - it represented all farmers. It's very feeble thinking that you should portray it with a twist, and you fall in the same group of Kangana Ranauts who called it a Khalistan movement. I think that says more about you yourself? That your mind is just as feeble as theirs?

There is and was a working system in India for food sourcing and procurement. The same system that is been in place for centuries. But under the new system, that would all be open to abuse and exploitation. Given that the new system was created by, and it's implementation oversaw by Modi's financial strongmen, who do you think would have come off worse?

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

peasants had absolutely no problem with welcoming haryani hindu jaats into the quom.

Well why would they have a problem? Those handfull of jaats who became Sikhs did so, after witnessing the Sikhs standing up for their rights, and a greater exposure to Gurmat during the Andolan.

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84.

Well obviously you know more than us on this subject. Let's hear the names of those jaats who murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84 who then became Sikhs in 2020/21.

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

But apnay peasants were all in a forgiving mood for that when it suited them........lol  

Because these peasants and jaats were combined in a united mission against a greater threat. Have you learned zero about strategy during conflict from your studies of Sri Gur Panth Parkash..........lol?

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

Did you not notice as well that India is excelling in tech and moving into arms manufacture whilst our lot have a made a rep for themselves for this:

 

Great. And you've won the debate.

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

I work with rural desis (on and off) probably more than all of you. I know what they are like.

What are YOU like is what should be discussed I think? You've been saying this for something like 10 years, but just like they don't seem to change...

What would you have liked to have seen during the whole "jut pocket bachao morcha"?

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

They aren't the sharpest tools in the box,

They aren't the only ones then. But they did stand up and make a change when it was most crucial.

On 9/4/2023 at 5:26 PM, dalsingh101 said:

and achieving your own rule when you're surrounded by more intelligent, highly hostile  and better resourced people is beginning to look like a fantasy or some sort of escapism rather than reality. 

That's always the case for the wolf climbing the hill. It was the case during the times of the Gurus, and the Dal Panth. Its the same now. And it's not restricted to India either.

On 4/9/2016 at 5:15 PM, chatanga1 said:

Here is a screen shot of the opening part to the sakhi of Mata Kaulan. I have addressed Kaulan as "Mata Kaulan" as this is how she is addressed in GP6. The nindaks from the sangh sabha international have stated that only the Mahals of the Guru's were addressed as Mata? Anyone shed any further light on this?

Here's the screen shot for everyone to read:

If anybody is interested this is a link to the katha to our group effort on translation of these passages:

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I agree with use of Mona, Sehajdhari, Keshdhari and Khalsa. 

Yes Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not put on the roop of superstitious angel worshippers. 

We developed our own. 

Putting it on doesn't make you a Sikh. The narcissists will be the quickest to put it on. 

The associated disciplines and behaviors make one a Sikh. 

We have to hold people in Roop accountable. And if they aren't worthy they aren't Khalsa wether they tie something or no. 

But those that have reached a real level should be found in Saroop. 

What do you think is being said in the paragraph ?

On 8/31/2023 at 7:05 PM, kdsingh80 said:

Meanwhile Sikhs in Punjab

 

 

On 8/31/2023 at 7:38 PM, dalsingh101 said:

Jut stupidity again......

What's stupid about thanking others who are helping thousands and thousands of people in flood stricken Panjab? The Pakistanis opened their floodgates to reduce the water level on our side of Panjab, flooding their own land in and around Kasur. What is wrong with that in your eyes?

People who saw partition now have one last chance, a chance to the homes, villages, lands and towns that they grew up before they depart to the next world. What exactly is wrong with allowing that to happen?

15 hours ago, Premi said:

Hindus pretending to be Sikhs

I think it might be the other way round. These types of Sikhs insist on being called Sikhs, but have no qualms in being labelled as part of the wider Hindu religion.

6 hours ago, Premi said:

Some of the urban Sikhs however, do deserve to be treated with suspicion.

I would add pity to that. I pity these guys who have this urbanite kind of mentality. They bore the brunt of the genocide in Delhi 1984, they have a Widows Colony in their midst, they walk past the Red Fort every day, which has reneged on promises to Sikhs causing all these problems, and yet they pride on calling themselves "Indians."

47 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

 There are other economic reasons why people might see another vision forward.

I have heard this reasoning from a lot of Sikhs. But what the point of being economical successful, when the state can kill some 30,000 of your people in false police encounters, and do with no fear of national or international law? The Jews were very afluent in Germany yet were begging to save themselves from starvation due to the government they lived under.

Thousands of Sikhs killed in Delhi, and majority of killers are still evading justice, yet our Sikh brothers in Delhi...

Was reading this book and saw this paragraph that I'd like to share with everyone. It's is middle paragraph. 

On 11/28/2022 at 5:40 AM, Ramneek said:

but then again, I haven’t met and know Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

no way!

On 7/16/2022 at 4:36 AM, Cheryl ladd said:

some of you have probably come across his hard-core missionary brother "Tejwant Singh Malik" from Henderson, Nevada.

No way! Teji Malik is Ripudaman Singh's brother? I would never have guessed that.

4 hours ago, proudkaur said:

So he is still stuck now? Who would go to iran to work as a non muslim seeing the conditions is beyond me.

Who would go back to india seeing the total lack of help shown to one of their citizens?