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37 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

And the changing of position of manglacharan is a really big thing. Atleast, the position was same in all puratan saroops.

This is something that should definitely be addressed.

19 hours ago, paapiman said:

Were they all spelling mistakes or were any other major differences also noted by the scholars?

The essay I read said "differences" but I think these were mainly scribal errors.

34 minutes ago, Trimandeep Singh said:

When the Rehat Maryada says bhog can be done at Mundawni or Raagmaala, it's over.

I agree with this 100%. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that either is done, although I do read raagmala myself.

On 5/20/2021 at 7:24 PM, paapiman said:

What do you mean bro? Can you please explain?

Strict monogamy is a core Sikh value.

This line has been discussed a few times on this forum. Will try and locate a thread and add it here.

Strict monogamy is not a core Sikh value. It never has been. Throughout the times, Sikh men did take more than one wife and there was never any issue over it. This change to monogamy happened when the British took over Panjab, and tried to enforce their marriage views on the populace. Sikhs and Hindus acquiesced whilst the Muslims didn't.

On 5/20/2021 at 7:25 PM, paapiman said:

Isn't it also found in Navneen Panth Prakash by Gyani Gyan Singh jee?

I think Gyani Gyan Singh ji wrote that Guru Sahib married 4 wives who each brought a female attendent to the Guru's house as well.

On 5/20/2021 at 7:26 PM, paapiman said:

Do you know Bhai Kulbir Singh jee?

no bro.

On 5/20/2021 at 7:28 PM, paapiman said:

Which is the earliest historical source which talks about Jhatka maryada?

Is Jhatka also done at Sri Patna Sahib?

Don't know and possibly think there isn't one. The earliest source that talks about jhatka to my knowledge in Dhadi Nath Mal's Amarnama, where he details the Sikhs doing jhatka of Madho Das' animals in his ashram.

Yes jhatka is done at Sri Patna Sahib.

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

On the Gurupurab of Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji, RSS declared that it will too celebrate the Holy auspicious event. And with no surprise, at the large stage RSS leader openly quoted the Shabad 

'Deh Shiva Bar Mohe Ehai' and said Guru Gobind Singh Ji is asking for a boon to Shiva.

Hey Bro, just a few words I'd like to add to this topic.

If the RSS celebrate Hind-ki-Chadar Guru Tegh Bahadar Ji's shaheedi purb in the correct context, then it's good yes?

(Mis)Quoting Gurbani has always been a major trademark of these Hindu organisations, and they will always claim that "hari/Ram/Thakur" etc are references to their gods. Our job is to counter that. To always stay active and one sep ahead.

This same "Deh Shiva" was proof tht the Guru asked Shiv Ji for a boon according to a Sikh friend of mine. Let's start at home and educate those first.

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

One such opinion that has been popularly spread in the panth is that Guru Gobind Singh Ji had 3 wives.

How did such an "opinion" become so "popularly spread" in the Panth? That's what you have to ask yourself. Maybe, just maybe because there is truth to it?

The fact is that it wasn't just Guru Sahib who had more than one wife. Bhai Mani Singh aslo had 2 wives who gave birth to 11 children between them.

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Daas respects Mahakavi Santokh Singh Ji alot and we can't thank him enough to collect the saakhis of unbelievable karamaats of guru sahibaan. However, it must be noted that the Granth also contains some saakhis which attack the Ucha character of Guru Sahib like doing jhatka on Vaisakhi, Mai Bhago stories, Devi Pooja etc.

These saakhis don't attack the character of the Guru in any way if they are understood properly. According to Sikh tradition, Guru HarGobind Sahib started jhatka outside Sri Akal Bunga after Guru Arjan Dev Ji's shaheedi. This practice was only stopped in 1940s by SGPC.

The saakhi of Mai Bhago has been grossly distorted to claim that Mai Bhago was in Guru Sahib's presence all the time naked, when she wasn't. The first time she came to Guru Sahib's hazuri naked, Guru Sahib told her it wasn't right and told her to keep herself covered. But listening to cretins they push the story that Mai Bhago was always with Guru Sahib naked.

The Devi Pooja story also finds itself in other texts as well but with differing stories. Maybe if you can locate a text or screen shot of the text we can look at it for ourselves here? And compare it with others?

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

History collected by Mahakavi Santokh Singh jee in Sooraj Prakash has not been refined by Mahakavi jee. He went from village to village and recorded whatever he heard from senior citizens of that time. He did not try to verify or authenticate what he heard and just wrote whatever he heard. We are grateful to him for not judging what he heard and just writing it. I think his function was not writing history but collecting all information possible from people, including local traditions.

I also thought this at one time. This post was made in response to a post I made on Sikh sangat.com :

"Kavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji, was a poet indeed, but beyond that he was an immense vidhvaan of the Panth. He was a great scholar and theologian too, as is exemplified by his Japji Sahib translation in his Garab Ganjani Teeka. 

I would say Bhai Santokh Singh Ji also fits the mold of an historian. It was immense work and research he did compiling historical literature/records, recording oral accounts, visiting historical sites, and then analyzing all the information, scrutinizing it for accuracy, and compiling it all into the poetic masterpiece that is Suraj Parkash.

He may even be the Panth's foremost historian!"

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

The Saakhi of 7 marriages of Siri Guru Har Rai Sahib jee is totally absurd. The only Mehal Guru Sahib had was Mata Kishan Kaur jee.

This saakhi is found in Gurbilas Patshahi 10vi written by Kavi Koer Singh in 1741. This is most likely where Kavi Ji found this, but I'm with you on this one, I don't think there were 7 mahals.

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Similarly, the Saakhi of 3 marriages of Siri Guru Hargobind Sahib jee too should be taken with a grain of salt. Not that it makes a difference, even if it was true, because worldly rules don't apply on Guru Sahib but still it is highly unlikely, that Guru Sahib had 3 Mehals.

The texts from those times, all confirm the 3 marriages of Guru Sahib. I'm thinking that Kulbir Singh possibly thinks one, because he is afraid to answer to those who claim "equality" thinking a man should and could only have one wife. Yousee, it's very hard to explain multiple marriages without giving the impression that it was for adult purposes/wealth only etc.

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

Mata jeeto jee and Mata Sundari jee was probably the same person with Mata Jeeto jee being her name in her parent's home and Mata Sundari jee was the name given by her in-laws.

This is nonsense that has been disproved time and time again. There are 3 separate chikkas of all 3 mahals. How could the Sikhs just invent a chikka and raise a monument there with no-one questioning them?

On 5/19/2021 at 4:56 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

EK NAARI JATI HOYE is a key principle of a Sikh's Grihast Jeevan.

And another line which has been grossly distorted to try and prove something.

On 5/18/2021 at 5:13 PM, Ragmaala said:

love your responses man, they are so subtle, witty and clever haha , lol at kudrat. I know who you are referring to 

haha you saw the arrows fired! The thing is, look at the opening lines of our saviours post "Many people on this forum are very misguided..." and on another topic he is asking other members if they have read Gurbilas P6 to comment because he sees reading it for himself as a "waste" of time.

Do you remember the last person who posted a topic here, and then wouldn't reveal the source, until I found it, and then reading it for myself, saw that the OP had given a very gross misinterpretation of it? That's the dangerous thing. My guy wants us to spoon feed him information, without verifying whether it correct or not.

On 4/21/2021 at 7:19 PM, Lioness11 said:

Ive never had a great issue with alcohol but I did used to drink it

Thanks for sharing that. It something that I've been thinking about recently seeing the situation of some relatives. May I ask, how did you start drinking, if it's not too intrusive?

What's the histroy of this sword Dal? Who gave it to Maharaja Ranjit Singh?

8 hours ago, KingTarunjotYT said:

Many people on this forum are very misguided

Well thank kudrat you are here to help.

8 hours ago, KingTarunjotYT said:

and maybe not mentally100% ok(stop spewing hate and believing conspiracy theory pls)....

stop spewing hate? but...

8 hours ago, KingTarunjotYT said:

raitors like dt dhumma get full support from 1diot followrs when he asks everyone to do ardas for parkash singh badal election win.

is quite hateful isn't it, when no-one on this forum has actually supported that. Or maybe it's cos Dhumma said didn't actually say that.

8 hours ago, KingTarunjotYT said:

Pls use brain or just quit gurudwara

If people used their brains, no0one would beleive in God/gurdwara/religion at all. Logically.

I have come across this old text called "Decameron."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decameron#Frame_story

It is a text which is very similar to Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth in it's structure. It's worth reading the above link to see how the main characters are represented and what they came up with in the stories.

Just wanted to share this snippet from the above link :

"The frame narrative structure (though not the characters or plot) originates from the Panchatantra,^{[citation needed]} which was written in Sanskrit before AD 500 and came to Boccaccio through a chain of translations that includes Old Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, and Latin. "

No. There is a distinct lack of knowledge of gurmat amongst Sikh preachers from Pakistan/Afghanistan compared to preachers from Panjab. But to be realistic, the Sikhs in these countries, marginal minorities as they are, have been completely neglected by the Panjabi Sikhs.

No Sant or Samprdai is interested in these Sikhs.

21 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

WJKK WJKF

Gurmuko I had a question, since I play sports like basketball. I used to take off my sarb loh kara when playing, so it doesn't hurt anyone. But I didn't like taking off my kara, so I started wearing a smaller steel kara with indent lines. But when I read the Damdami Taksaal rehat maryada it said you can only wear sarab loh kara with no indent lines, so I started wearing it again. Although it stated that the only the kirpan and kachera must never be separated from the body, I don't like taking my kara off. So is it allowed to take off my kara while playing sports? Btw I am not amritdari but am hopefully going to get blessed with amrit this year, this is why I am trying to build my rehat as much as possible with Guru sahib's kirpa.

Kabaddi players take their karas off. I know one kabaadi player who is amritdhari who used to take his kirpan off as well. It's totally up to you. If you feel so bad about it, then don't do it.

Personally I wouldn't want to plat any sport against someone who is wearing something that could injure me. Would you be prepared to play that game?

7 hours ago, paapiman said:

You can take the Kara off your wrist bro, but do not separate it from your body. Keep it in your pocket, while you are playing.

Basketball shorts don't have pockets do they?

On 3/25/2021 at 4:22 PM, Veer said:

Farm reform was a long standing recommendation of the IMF

This was all to do with trade and economy. India wants to compete with China but with india being a strongly agriculturally based economy some proposals were put forward to try and strengthen that sector so India will have more clout.

On 3/25/2021 at 4:22 PM, Veer said:

Has to be a comprehensive plan that deals with the entire situation - msp, fertilizer use, middlemen, corruption, water table.

These issues have been going on in India for about 2 decades now, but the truth is that most farmers are not educated enough, or willing enough to make a change yet.

On 8/13/2020 at 4:45 PM, sarabatam said:

I am out of touch on this topic, can anyone tell me whats happening with this dude- Update on ranjit singh dhandrianwale- whats happening with this dude..what is he stirring now

He caught a lot of flack over his non-support for the farmers movement. Since then he has somewhat began to support it half-heartedly.

On 2/25/2021 at 11:44 PM, AkalKiFauj said:

2) You have to keep a maryada of the farla. You cannot lie down straight if you have a farla as the nishan sahib should never face down.

So how do they lie down?

On 1/18/2021 at 1:34 PM, singh1981 said:

29 Views and no response. Please someone reply ! 

I guess that no-one on this site really has much contact with them. @Amarjeet Singh_1737 I think, knows more about the Dal Panths than existing members here. Try sending him a message and see if it generates an alert in his email inbox.

On 2/11/2021 at 11:16 AM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Can you speak punjabi without adding English words.

Mostly. Depends on what you're talking about. Growing food, yes. Technology, no.

On 2/11/2021 at 11:16 AM, Sajjan_Thug said:

Do you find that there is some concepts that don't have a punjabi word so you have to insert a English word.

Yes, and that's fine, because English itself, has many germanic, latin, french and even sanskrit words in it.

On 2/11/2021 at 11:16 AM, Sajjan_Thug said:

What part of punjabi you think is under developed. 

The Panjabis themsleves lol. No-one in Panjab says "Pita Ji" any more more, they say "Father Sahib."

22 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

Can I believe in Hindu Mythology as a Sikh? Should I believe it such why Brahma married his daughter? Shiva and mohini(Vishnu). Is this true? Should I read about this stuff???

Yes, there is nothing wrong in understanding Dharma throughout the 3 yugs previous to kalyug. I find it very interesting myself.

On 2/12/2021 at 1:49 PM, Guest Anmol said:

Hello is it possible for to get the details of Zahoor Ahmed Khan? Thanks 

The Muslims of Malwa went to Pakistan after 1947. Some of the families still hold gifts from the Gurus. If you wanted to try and research further, then you should contact the Nanaksar Thath at Wolverhampton, UK, who arranged a visit by one of these Muslim families from Pakistan to the UK some years ago.

Bollywooder calling the farmers terrorists and worrying about China taking over india.