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Have people been watching the news over the last few weeks about the farmer's agitation in Delhi ?
One of the things that has really surprised me is the anti-Sikh vitriol being poured out by indian fascists. From government officials to bollywood wale, they have been claiming that the agitiation is a Khalistani propaganda move, inspired by Pakistan and Sikhs abroad. Only when the Hindu farmers then joined the agitation this has calmed somewhat but there are still people calling the agitators traitors to india etc.
I will share some videos here so people can see some of the venom that the indians are producing.
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The only photo I ever saw of Baba Uday Singh was with Avtar Singh Makkar. Havne't seen any others but maybe you should get in touch with Budha Dal hq.
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Gyani Manjit Singh Damdami Taksal had completed his katha of Sri Gur Panth Parkash. It is available on gurmatveechar to listen/download.
After listening to the whole katha of Sri Gur Panth Parkash over the last year, I felt it should be compulsory katha in Gurdwaras. It is an excellent tool to teach youngster about Sikh history and to develop love and sacrifice for the Panth.
http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio
and then follow these folders:
audios /Katha /Present Day Katha /Giani Manjit Singh (Damdami Taksal Vidyarthi Sampardai Bhindra) /
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On 10/25/2020 at 1:23 PM, Vshal said:
Please re upload.
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Watched this video on Afeem, as it pops up now and again in puratan granths:
Its a shame that Makhu is the anchor, as he is not very good in presenting.
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On 9/18/2020 at 3:52 PM, sarabatam said:
Hello, we just upgraded the new version and new back ground. We really like it. Please let us know other tweaks when you browse. We still need to work on tablet configuration.
It looks really good. Apologires for not having visited for some time.
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On 7/28/2020 at 3:16 PM, sarabatam said:
Lucky, sat, chatanga, soulfinder, harsharan, dalsingh, jageera sukhpreet and all veer and bheenji, please post more often,
Will do. Regarding Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth series, at the moment it feels like I'm having a conversation with myself. I just have been a little busy lately, and a little demotivated to be honest. Too much agianta flying around on social media.
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On 9/5/2020 at 4:11 AM, Arnav said:
Hey Soulfinder and chatanga1, than you so much for your replies.
Here in SA, there is one Langar hall with chairs and tables. However, it is shocking to hear that shoes are allowed in some Langar halls. Also, thank you so much for the video Soulfinder.
What or where is SA?
Shoes in the langar hall are usually where there are only tables and chairs. I have only seen some ramgarhia gurdwaras in the UK that still only have tables and chairs. Whereas most Gurdwaras have provisions for both.
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Sitting on the floor to eat is also a sign of humility. Servants eat on the floor in their masters house. Not on the tables.
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Found this today.
It's also on Youtube on a very interesting channel with some other gems there as well.
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6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:
Why have they turned against Sikhs. Sikh help everyone and are very small group in Afghanistan hardly a thousand people and they still can't live in peace. It's a shame the Afghanistan people can't accommodate such a small group.
The Sikhs are a strong financial community there but a weak physical community. They do not have the resolve to defend themselves, so are easy targets.
6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:Have the Nihang Singhs been made aware of this they are Guru ki Fauj. They have been around for hundreds of years. They can solve this problem.
I think you are overestimating the capabilities of the Nihangs if you think they can take on any faction of the Afghan militias. Big or small.
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On 7/21/2020 at 7:48 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:
Waheguru Ji
Why are the Afghan people not standing up and protesting the ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs going on. If it was the reversed this would become international news.
Once the Sikhs and Hindus are gone all gurdwaras and temples will be destroyed, just like its happening in Pakistan where so many gurdwaras and temples have been destroyed. There was even attack on gurdwara nanakana sahib recently.
Why are international organizations silent on ethnic cleansing of hindus and sikhs in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I think it is because most international orgs know that there is little they can do. Even the general public of Afghanistan have turned against the Sikhs and HIndus over the last 25 years. If US could not destroy the Taliban with all their firepower, international orgs know there is nothing more they can do.
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Neo, I like that there are many sections and sub-sections to this forum. It kind of divides everything up neatly. I do think that a separate sub-section be made for Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth research in Dasam Granth section as it takes up a lot of the forum.
It's a shame that progress on Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth has come to an almost standstill. When Paapiman was here, there were two of us to keep things going but he has disappeared for almost 2 years now. I just got some things going on with family and such that doesn't give me much time any more. I hope that by the end of this year we might get to charitar 200. That would be a really impressive step the way we are going.
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Hi all. Wanted to bump this thread again and bring everyone news of a dismaying situation in Lahore, with the ShaheedGanj of Bhai Taru Singh being taken over by Barelvi muslims. Some years ago, a sect of muslims took over this Gurdwara and painted one of the domes green, although it has been repainted white.
This article mentions the same guy behind the recent attempt on 26th July, Sohail Butt. He is the same guy who made the video on the 26th threatening Sikhs in Pakistan.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070827/main8.htm
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On 7/1/2020 at 10:19 AM, kdsingh80 said:
The good news is that the issue is temporarily resolved
UP Sikhs return to their fields
This is from the 10th July .
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On 6/27/2020 at 4:01 PM, kidsama said:It's worrisome that so many Sikhs either don't think about hell or don't believe in hell.
Missionaries are using misusing lines from SGGS to try and deny that hell does not exist. This needs to be countered by given correct explanations of gurbani.
One of the missionaries more common lines to use is :
ਕਵਨੁ ਨਰਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੰਤਨ ਦੋਊ ਰਾਦੇ ॥
(ਇਹ ਲੋਕ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਕਾਸ਼ੀ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਸੁਰਗ ਮਾਣਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ) ਨਰਕ ਕੀਹ, ਤੇ, ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੁਰਗ ਕੀਹ? ਸੰਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਹੀ ਰੱਦ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ;
What is hell, and what is heaven? The Saints reject them both.Missionaries say that this line proves that there is no heaven or hell. But they mislead with the word "ਰਾਦੇ " (ਰੱਦ) which does not mean "reject" but means "ERASE" or "removed/destroyed" etc.
This line in Gurbani is saying that "the Saints have erased love/desire for heaven and fear of hell."
In the context of Bhagat Kabir Ji's shabad it is telling us about people's superstitions of dying in certain places which would determine what would happen to the soul after death of the body.
The whole Shabad:
ਤੂੰ ਮੇਰੋ ਮੇਰੁ ਪਰਬਤੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਓਟ ਗਹੀ ਮੈ ਤੇਰੀ ॥
You are my Sumayr Mountain, O my Lord and Master; I have grasped Your Support.
ਨਾ ਤੁਮ ਡੋਲਹੁ ਨਾ ਹਮ ਗਿਰਤੇ ਰਖਿ ਲੀਨੀ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਰੀ ॥੧॥
You do not shake, and I do not fall. You have preserved my honor. ||1||
ਅਬ ਤਬ ਜਬ ਕਬ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਹੀ ॥
Now and then, here and there, You, only You.
ਹਮ ਤੁਅ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ਸੁਖੀ ਸਦ ਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
By Your Grace, I am forever in peace. ||1||Pause||
ਤੋਰੇ ਭਰੋਸੇ ਮਗਹਰ ਬਸਿਓ ਮੇਰੇ ਤਨ ਕੀ ਤਪਤਿ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥
Relying upon You, I can live even in the cursed place of Magahar; You have put out the fire of my body.
ਪਹਿਲੇ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਮਗਹਰ ਪਾਇਓ ਫੁਨਿ ਕਾਸੀ ਬਸੇ ਆਈ ॥੨॥
First, I obtained the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan in Magahar; then, I came to dwell at Benares. ||2||
ਜੈਸਾ ਮਗਹਰੁ ਤੈਸੀ ਕਾਸੀ ਹਮ ਏਕੈ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨੀ ॥
As is Magahar, so is Benares; I see them as one and the same.
ਹਮ ਨਿਰਧਨ ਜਿਉ ਇਹੁ ਧਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਰਤੇ ਫੂਟਿ ਗੁਮਾਨੀ ॥੩॥
I am poor, but I have obtained this wealth of the Lord; the proud are bursting with pride, and die. ||3||
ਕਰੈ ਗੁਮਾਨੁ ਚੁਭਹਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਸੂਲਾ ਕੋ ਕਾਢਨ ਕਉ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
One who takes pride in himself is stuck with thorns; no one can pull them out.
ਅਜੈ ਸੁ ਚੋਭ ਕਉ ਬਿਲਲ ਬਿਲਾਤੇ ਨਰਕੇ ਘੋਰ ਪਚਾਹੀ ॥੪॥
Here, he cries bitterly, and hereafter, he burns in the most hideous hell. ||4||
ਕਵਨੁ ਨਰਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੁਰਗੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ਸੰਤਨ ਦੋਊ ਰਾਦੇ ॥
What is hell, and what is heaven? The Saints reject them both.
ਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੀ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕਢਤੇ ਅਪਨੇ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੇ ॥੫॥
I have no obligation to either of them, by the Grace of my Guru. ||5||
ਅਬ ਤਉ ਜਾਇ ਚਢੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਸਨਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਹੈ ਸਾਰਿੰਗਪਾਨੀ ॥
Now, I have mounted to the throne of the Lord; I have met the Lord, the Sustainer of the World.
ਰਾਮ ਕਬੀਰਾ ਏਕ ਭਏ ਹੈ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਪਛਾਨੀ ॥੬॥੩॥
The Lord and Kabeer have become one. No one can tell them apart. ||6||3||
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On 7/2/2020 at 11:53 PM, kdsingh80 said:
Tokenism do not make the entire oppressed community more educated and financially strong.
It does provide the oppressing community with ammunition to claim that everything is ok and the ones who complain are a minority of troublemakers.
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On 7/1/2020 at 10:19 AM, kdsingh80 said:
If you are living in a nation and you need outsiders to tell that you are oppressed then that is not oppression but brainwashing.
So because we are outsiders we have no voice, no opinion? Well why are you posting this drivel on an international forum? Why not just post it in India and discuss it between yourselves?
On 7/1/2020 at 10:19 AM, kdsingh80 said:Please tell me these things don't happen in Punjab. I am sure you heard about Bant Singh
Exactly. So you have proved yourself to be an ignorant person yet again by trying to insinuate that muslims and only muslims do these crimes. The "future" of this terrorist state of india.
On 7/1/2020 at 10:19 AM, kdsingh80 said:As far UP Sikh farmers are concerned that is unfortunate incident. But please tell me what makes you think that was a communal issue.
Why should I tell you? I'm an outsider so have no opinion of value to you. You keep kissing hindutva batty.
For my fellow forum members though, who have an ounce of dignity and beleive in justice, you can read about this situation yourselves. And it didn't only occur in UP, it has happened in Gujarat and Madhya Pardesh.
"Unfortunate incident"? See how this person describes it? Generations of families farming land and then suddenly are forced to vacate it without any explanation or appeal.
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Chritar 118: Tale of Rani Mantar Kala
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
Chaupaee
ਪਛਿਮ ਦੇਵ ਰਾਵ ਬਡਭਾਗੀ ॥
ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਕਲਾ ਰਾਨੀ ਸੌ ਪਾਗੀ ॥
In the West Country there lived an auspicious king named Dev Raao. Mantar Kala was his wife.
ਜੋ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਕਹੈ ਵਹੈ ਜੜ ਕਰਈ ॥
ਬਿਨੁ ਪੂਛੈ ਕਛੁ ਤਿਹ ਨ ਨੁਸਰਈ ॥੧॥
The way the woman directed, that fool followed and without her consent would not take a single step.(1)
ਤਾ ਪਰ ਰਹਤ ਰਾਵ ਉਰਝਾਯੋ ॥
ਦੋਇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਾਯੋ ॥
She always ensnared the Raja; they had two sons.
ਕਾਲ ਪਾਇ ਰਾਜਾ ਮਰਿ ਗਯੋ ॥
ਰਾਜ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਕੋ ਭਯੋ ॥੨॥
After sometimes the Raja died and his sons took over the kingdom.(2)
ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥
Dohira
ਏਕ ਪੁਰਖ ਆਯੋ ਤਹਾ ਅਮਿਤ ਰੂਪ ਕੀ ਖਾਨਿ ॥
Once, a man came, who was very handsome.
ਲਖਿ ਰਾਨੀ ਤਿਹ ਬਸਿ ਭਈ ਬਧੀ ਬਿਰਹ ਕੈ ਬਾਨ ॥੩॥
Becoming the victim of his love-arrows, Rani felt herself under his spell.(3)
ਸੋਰਠਾ ॥
Sortha
ਤਾ ਕੌ ਲਯੋ ਬੁਲਾਇ ਪਠੈ ਸਹਚਰੀ ਏਕ ਤਿਹ ॥
Through one of her maids, she called him over,
ਕਹਿਯੋ ਬਿਰਾਜਹੁ ਆਇ ਸੰਕ ਤ੍ਯਾਗ ਹਮ ਕੌ ਅਬੈ ॥੪॥
And told him to stay their without any trepidation.(4)
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
Chaupaee
ਤਬ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਤਿਨ ਹ੍ਰਿਦੈ ਬਿਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥
ਰਾਨੀ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਉਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥
Then, that handsome man thought and spoke to the Rani emphatically,
ਏਕ ਬਾਤ ਤੁਮ ਕਰੋ ਤਾ ਕਹਊ ॥
ਨਾਤਰ ਧਾਮ ਨ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਰਹਊ ॥੫॥
‘I must ask you one thing, I will stay if you agree, and otherwise I will leave.’(5)
ਸੁ ਹੌ ਕਹੌ ਜੋ ਯਹ ਨਹਿ ਕਰੈ ॥
ਮੋਰ ਮਿਲਨ ਕੋ ਖ੍ਯਾਲ ਨ ਪਰੈ ॥
(He thought) ‘I must say something which she cannot do and abandon thought of meeting me.
ਸੁਰ ਪੁਰ ਬਹੁਰ ਬਧਾਵੋ ਭਯੋ ॥੧੪॥
He took over the sovereignty, once again, and the greetings flowed in the heaven.
ਦੁਹਕਰ ਕਰਮ ਜੁ ਯਹ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ॥
ਤਬ ਯਹ ਆਜੁ ਸੁ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਬਰਿ ਹੈ ॥੬॥
‘Or else she will be too firm and will definitely marry me.’(6)
ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥
Dohira
ਏ ਜੂ ਪੂਤ ਜੁਗ ਤੁਮ ਜਨੇ ਤਿਨ ਦੁਹੂਅਨ ਕੋ ਮਾਰਿ ॥
‘These two sons which you have given birth to, kill them both,
ਗੋਦ ਡਾਰਿ ਸਿਰ ਦੁਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਮਾਂਗਹੁ ਭੀਖ ਬਜਾਰ ॥੭॥
‘And placing their heads in your lap, go out to beg alms.’ (7)
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
Chaupaee
ਤਬ ਤਿਹ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕਾਜ ਸੋਊ ਕਿਯੋ ॥
ਨਿਕਟ ਬੋਲਿ ਤਿਨ ਦੁਹੂੰਅਨ ਲਿਯੋ ॥
The woman decided to undertake the task and called both her sons.
ਮਦਰਾ ਪ੍ਯਾਇ ਕੀਏ ਮਤਵਾਰੇ ॥
ਖੜਗ ਕਾਢਿ ਦੋਊ ਪੂਤ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥੮॥
She intoxicated them with wine and with a sword killed them both.(8)
ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥
Dohira
ਦੁਹੂੰ ਸੁਤਨ ਕੇ ਕਾਟ ਸਿਰ ਲਏ ਗੋਦ ਮੈ ਡਾਰਿ ॥
She cut of and put the heads of both of them in her lap.
ਅਤਿਥ ਭੇਖ ਕੋ ਧਾਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਗੀ ਭੀਖ ਬਜਾਰ ॥੯॥
Putting up the disguise of a beggar, she went out for begging.(9)
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
Chaupaee
ਭੀਖ ਮਾਗਿ ਮਿਤਵਾ ਪਹਿ ਗਈ ॥
ਪੂਤਨ ਮੁੰਡ ਦਿਖਾਵਤ ਭਈ ॥
After begging, she went to her lover and showed him the heads of her sons.
ਤੋਰੇ ਲੀਏ ਦੋਊ ਮੈ ਮਾਰੇ ॥
ਅਬ ਭੋਗਹੁ ਮੁਹਿ ਆਨਿ ਪਿਯਾਰੇ ॥੧੦॥
‘I have killed my both the sons. Now you come and make love with me.’(10)
ਦੁਹਕਰ ਕਰਮ ਜਾਰਿ ਲਖਿ ਲਯੋ ॥
ਪਹਰ ਏਕ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਸੌ ਭਯੋ ॥
An uphill task he faced, and for one whole watch he felt like a dead man.
ਦੁਤਿਯ ਪਹਰ ਆਨਿ ਜਬ ਲਾਗਿਯੋ ॥
ਚਿਤ੍ਯੋ ਛੋਰਿ ਮੂਰਛਨਾ ਜਾਗਿਯੋ ॥੧੧॥
When the second watch approached, he regained the consciousness.( 11)
ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥
Savaiyya
ਤਜਿਹੂੰ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਰਮਿਹੂੰ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਇਹ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੀ ਆਨਿ ਬਨੀ ਦੁਚਿਤਾਈ ॥
(And contemplated,) ‘Neither I can accept her, nor can I leave, I am in a fix now.
ਬੈਠ ਸਕੈ ਉਠਿਹੂੰ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕਹਿਹੂੰ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕਛੁ ਬਾਤ ਬਨਾਈ ॥
‘Neither, I can sit nor get up, such a situation has arisen.
ਤ੍ਯਾਗਿ ਸਕੈ ਗਰ ਲਾਗਿ ਸਕੈ ਰਸ ਪਾਗਿ ਸਕੈ ਨ ਇਹੈ ਠਹਰਾਈ ॥
‘Neither I can abandon her, nor I can relish her in such a condition.
ਝੂਲਿ ਗਿਰਿਯੋ ਛਿਤ ਭੁਲ ਗਈ ਸੁਧਿ ਕਾ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੇ ਬਿਸ੍ਵਾਸ ਬਨਾਈ ॥੧੨॥
‘I have been downed to doom and all my perceptibility has abandoned me.’
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
Chaupaee
ਪਹਰ ਏਕ ਬੀਤੇ ਪੁਨ ਜਾਗਿਯੋ ॥
ਤ੍ਰਸਤ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਕੇ ਗਰ ਸੋ ਲਾਗਿਯੋ ॥
He woke up after another watch had passed and, under extreme compulsion, took the woman in the embrace.
ਜੋ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਵਹੈ ਤਿਨ ਕੀਨੋ ॥
ਬਹੁਰਿ ਨਾਹਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਲੀਨੋ ॥੧੩॥
Whatever she asked for he did and, thereafter, never yearned for a woman.(13)(1)
ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਖ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਅਠਾਰਹ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੧੧੮॥੨੩੦੯॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥
118th Parable of Auspicious Chritars Conversation of the Raja and the Minister, Completed With Benediction.(118)(2307)
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The main aspect of this story to me is Jujaat's impatience. He has been given a method to obtain Sati as his wife but the method is long-drawn and timely. He simply cannot wait to reach Sati that he commits a sin by striking a Rikhi - a holy man. Forgetting that these Rikhis have the power to give boons but also curses.
The other thing tha stood out was that Jujaat had already been made Indar Raaj - God of swarag. This should have been more of a acquisition than the consort of Indar Dev. Instead of thinking about the huge blessing, and responsibility conferred on him, he got caught in the lesser tangles of Sati.
With a war raging between the devtas and raskhsas, the disappearance of Indar Dev, what should Jujaat have been focusing on?
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Farmer's Agitation in India
in Sikhs Against Global Extremism
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Listen to this "news" anchor trying to drag Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale into the movement, thereby trying to criminalise the agitation.