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just the usual: karate, akido, kung fu etc.

though harjinder does claim to be studying a "very rare" form of karate.

I went to buy the issue, but when I saw the article I put it back on the shelf, awful (a bit like the "art)

LOL Know what you mean!! hence the reason I mentioned just reading it in WHSmiths.

Bhujangi, Would you mind explaining to the forum about the Self-promotional, vague details of the article? Or the heavily censored pre-agreed questions?

Though one thing I have noticed about most gatka akharas in the UK is the change in the 'arts' background and history over the last few years. eg: them moving away from the "Gatka is a Sikh martial arts started by the 6th Guru". Apparently, now they think its 10,000 years old now!

is 'Thandav Stotra' same as THANDAV NACH? That which ShivJi does to bring about destruction in the Universe.

Also is THANDAV NAACH a technical dance form in the same vein as Kathak, Bharatnatyam etc or something exclusive to the spiritual world?

I pray to God that no one starts clapping and dancing at Gurdwaras, the whole message would be losted.

Is moshing your head, bopping your body or shrilling at the top of your voice acceptable to you??

only a magazine covershot.

http://www.martialartsltd.co.uk/mai/

need to buy the magazine for more. or just pop into your wh smith and read the article there.

there may be something on youtube coz as with most gatka schools they specialise in doing public demonstrations.

Jan 09 issue of Martial Arts Illustrated in the UK.

An article about Harjinder Singh of Birmingham who teaches Gatka. Interesting the way he has mish-mashed it with other Oriental martial arts in terms of style and clothing.

Also a subtle dig at Nidar Singh Nihang where he says to the interviewer that he doesn't need to accept any challenges from others!

He was a one time student of Nanak Dev Singh and Nihang Nidar SIngh.

All that racket. I didn't make anything out but a couple of accusations about Nihang Nidar Singh being in the wrong, towards the end.

They were worse than a bunch of women at a tea party!

Someone put the full debate up, please?!

Latest news is that the Hazoor Sahib lot have ripped up the "apology" and stated that it was all a mistake, the book is now on sale at Hazoor Sahib.

Can you verify that please?

Hari SIngh is based in Birmingham UK. So I'm sure he knows of Nihang Nidar SIngh and ShastarVidiya.

I met him when he first started teaching in Handsworth just after returning from China. I was impressed with what he knew about Chinese philosophy as well as fighting.

A bit like Nidar Singh it was the 'controversial' stuff that made him famous. I remember all the hoo-haa about him eating dog meat whilst in China (despite being of an AKJ background, I think)! LOL

Sant Singh Maskin ji used to quote , many a time, Socrates and other European philosophers in his kathas. As well as Rumi, Shamas Tabrezi etc.

the most Stunning kathavachik I have ever heard! Simply Enchanting!

According to Sant Jagjit Singh JI, Bibi Balwant Kaur (Sultanpur and Bebe Nanki Gurd in Handworth) is also of a Sant padvi. Due to old age and ill health she is presently living with her children in Cardiff.

cheers for that Matheen.

Does anyone know of a high protein (ie Atkins Diet), rapid weight loss program that is based on a veggie foodstuff?

Highly deserved by Bush in my opinion and probs what millions of other around the world would want to do.

but was it right to assault/insult a Head of State visiting your country?

At first glance I was gonna question whether it was your own work or just a 'copy & paste ' job! LOL

Good work.

I think because he writes about the evolution of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Real academic research always pains the reformists.

Saheediyan, could you please expand? What form of "evolution"?

Also, I would have thought its the Traditionalists who would be at pain.

what worse having a blackened darhi or a blackened face?

.....kettle calling pot black!!!! LOL

The tradition of the drawers and sash goes back to Prophet Abraham (as) and is part of the initiation ceremony of the knights.

Well that puts water on the Neo-Sikhs viewpoint that kachera was invented by the Gurus then!

there is also a story I heard from some Nirmala sant about Hanuman and Rama; and Hanuman last request that he be given Rama's kachera.

It might be worth putting out an advertisment in papers like DES PARDES WEEKLY for pathis. It has a wide readership and most older gianis who are likely to be the pathis you're looking for are avid readers too.

and linen drawers on their loins

the drawers of finely woven linen, the sash of woven linen

Could this be refering to 'kachera' and a 'kamarkasa'?

Good luck on finding you Pathis??

BTW does anyone teach the santhia of Dasam Granth??

When are you planning this PAth??

I hope it turns out to be a better programme than the event at Baba Sang Gurdwara a few months ago. Felt rather let down after all the hype on the web!

Cheers for that TSingh.

there is a pic of Sant Jaimal SIngh Ji carrying a 'charu'. Isn't that a Seva Panthi tradition?

BTW: English version doesn't seem to work.

Sau Sakhi 64

“Stand in a line, if you are to bare weapons and wish to up hold the duty of a warrior, then hunt keeping the warrior duty in mind and eat meat. If you wish to follow the vegetarian way, or the way of Saints, then meat eating is forbidden. He who contemplates God’s name and is of the of Sato Gun character, he should not eat meat, for meat eating promotes Tams Gun. He, who wishes to fight for righteousness and protect the weak in battle, has to spill many people’s blood and should be ready to sacrifice himself. He should hunt, eat meat, and should have no fear because he is but doing his warrior duty. But, remember this, eating meat for just pleasure of tongue or vice is a sin --’â€.’

(‘Sau Sakhi Steek’, by Partap Singh Mehta, Vol.2, Pa. 136-137)

Thanks for that Amardeep. For me that clarifies the whole meat issue for Sikhs. BUT what about the authenticity of the Sau Sakis as a whole? As per my understanding it has been changed alot over the centuries.

....obviously not a big deal then!!!!!??????

Most faiths (I have had personal experience of this many times) think that drinking until you can't stand is part of our faith (I kid you not). All these idiots, eps here, who think it's all good harmless fun, do nothing else but disgrace my Masters image

I concur here. I remember when I started a project at uni that was based on the pub industry. I complained to the lecturer that I am at a disadvantage because I do not drink and have no knowledge of the sector. He started laughing and said that he doesn't believe that i'm a teetotaler! went on to say that EVERY sikh he knows and ALL sikh weddings his been to was like the drinks industry's national convention with booze flowing freely.

Unfortunatley, (true as it may sound,) he, and most of the class, thought that to be a Sikh you had to be verging on being an alchoholic.