SURYADEV

Chatka = 18 secs

Halal = 1.04 secs

Don't know whether/what to read into the timings.

Good job on the Muslim Councils part.

Yet if this carnage occured in the UK I doubt the response would have been the same.

Cheers for that .

I have heard of the community in Iran.

Do you have any further info on these Udasi deras in Russia and Azerbaijan?

St Petersburg in North Russia?? How and why did the Udasi's go there?

Ok...I get your message Morghe Sahar. LOL

DSGPC = Dehli Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandak Commitee!

There are many groups of Sikhs around South Asia who came into being because their forefathers settled in different parts of India many centuries back for a variety of reasons.

My question is are there any groups who travelled the other way ie. Central Asia, Tibet and China, Mid-East?

A while back photos were released of beadbi being done to the birs printed and stored by DSGPC.

Does anyone know what came of this??

Can't seem to find much info; seems it was all hushed up!

Southall used to be a nice place...once before...not so long ago...

Doesn't sound promising, since I am moving there in a couple of weeks time. Argh!!!!

What is 'Sorth Haal' like anyway???

I have found that you will find students of Sikh Missionary College are the ones who are very liberal and lacsidasical with the usage of bindis as well as with the whole of saanthia. They usually tend to place pauses at very different places to the rest of the schools of santhia reading too.

Most people think that 'aunkr' and 'sihari' are silent but as stated they are subtly prononced. For the aunkr think of saying 'Er' (as in um, er, oh etc)with an English accent.

For sihari - say a short , sharp ei (almost like Hey but without the H).

Thats the best I can explain by writing, in essence you do need a good teacher to sit with you.

have any of you guys read the earlier pamphlets written on recycled paper by Bhagat Puran Singh?

It seems all the social, environmental, ethical thoughts espoused by him are now common "scientific" knowledge praeched in the West. eg. he used to stated that every person should walk at least 8 miles a day to keep healthy. This almost tallies with what health practioners in UK are now saying ; to walk 10,000 steps per day.

From what I see , Bhagat Puran Singh was a true visionary whos advice/thoughts/teachings are more valid now than at any time in the past.

You know it wouldn't hurt to show some respect for the dead, If not then please try refrain yourselves from trying to post overly clever comments which no one finds funny.

Not trying to be clever- like I said: serious question??

It has been many years since they passed away. did they do something special over and above other people who have died in similar tragic manners?

is it simply as I think that because they wear gol-pag and wear kirpans and cholas theey are being treated as martyrs of a cause??

is he a sikh or sufi musalman??

as a yuppie, trimmed, beer-swilling Sikh, will someone write me a poem or give me all this media space when I keel over????

Or is it for certain Sikhs only??

Serious question!

If janet does convert wont it prevent her from her "wardrobe Malfunction" publicity seeking schemes??

Maybe its a modern thing because Sikhs did not want to use the names Bedi or Sodhi. I read on SikhSangat.com a while back that some sunday school teachers at gurdwaras discourage children from using DEV beacuase its too Hindu!!!! Wont be long before we start saying 'Bhai Sahib Guru Nanak Singh Ji'

Then again the first guru is also known as Rimpoche Nanak Lama, Nanak Faqir, Baba Nanak Shah etc, etc depending on who they're followers are.

To all those veggies against slaughtering delicious free-range, organic goats, worthy of being stacked in Fortnum & Mason's shelf; I have a question:

what about all the tablas at ALL gurdwaras that are made of animal skins. you play the drum then go and pick up a gutka/pothi without washing hands. Or what about the first sight that strikes you when you enter a temple - that of different types of animal skin'd shoes (not to mention the stench of stinking socks and shoes)? Or how 'bout the chaur made of peacock feather or other animal hair??

Or how about the the humans being slaughtered around the world or the sikh farmers in India who pollute the crops, rivers and feilds with pesticide and fertilisers causing massive rates of cancers??

And you get outraged because of a goat pop its clogs??

There are some shaastras dealing with it

Ive heard rumours of the same . would you know the name/s of the shaastras??

Cheers for that N30.

Jattboot, do you still have this booklet? If so, please let us know what it's called.

would love to know what booklet that is as well

The book is called SOHAIL PRAKASH. "Sohail" being Pandit Sohail Singh Ji Nirmala; who the book is dedicated to. They were Sant Jagjit Singhs vidiya guru and taught sant ji Sanskrit and Ayurvedic medicine- getting them registered as a Vaid (desi doktor)with the Govt.

It was one of the original books writen many years ago, by Sant Ji. They may have some copies at Sultanpur to give away.

http://books.google.com/books?id=eeeI0WUQS...ntcover#PPR5,M1

Found the above link from tapoban site .

A digitised book published by a britisher in 1834.

I've heard on various sikh sites of a story of Sikh POW who were caught by the germans. Thinking they were Muslims the sikh soldiers were sent to Turkey to fight alongside other muslims on behalf of the Axis powers.

En route the soldiers escaped and ran on foot all the way back across the Mid-East to Afghanistan to re-join the the British Army.

A remarkeable story, and beats The One That Got Away.

Has anyone else heard of this story or know its sources ????

What I'd like to know how would anyone know if a girl - or guy has had a brazilian down south.???? :wink:

So how can you judge and declare another a patit?

It seems these days a girls Sikhi is in her eyebrow hair....cos all you hear people complain about are girls waxing/trimming their brows.

.....hence the reason I posted the question on this forum. no better place than t'internet to hide behind and look silly! LOL

I may still have it in my mothers 'library' collection. will try to find outthe name.

thieving brummies!!

This was in Leicester...not brumsville. Please dont tarnish us noble brummies with the same brush as the darn northerners!!!

LOL

lets all listen to the debate before writing critiques, criticsim or de-briefings.

If anyone is posting it on the net could you please put it on youtube , as it is easier to view/listen??