SURYADEV

AK 47 - the most favoured weapon of the worlds terrorist organisations! Quality rifle , just don't try shooting an apple from someones head.

Or ....are you talking about some schoolboy gang???

If its the person who I think it is, they did seva of Baba Maha Harnam Singh Ji ( who were the guru of Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale). Their sakhis appear in the biography of Baba Harnam Singh Ji.

Very kat'han seva it was too!

I'll speak to my sources to find out more.

Recently I have been listen to the katha of Maharaz Tarlochan Darshan Das Ji on Aastha Channel.

In the past, all I have heard of him and his sect/cult from mainstream Sikhs has all been negative. But listening to his katha I have not heard anything controversal - from my point of view.

Can anyone shed any light on his beliefs and why he is frowned upon by mainstream Sikhs??

Hear, Hear

not Here,Here

Good Lord! ...the state of British graduates.

They don't make them as they used to! LOL

Thanks Chatanga

But the Panth could not produce these 5 Singhs. What those 2 guys did in jail is something praiseworthy. They should be rewarded by all Dharmic, Nihang, SGPC, Panthic, Sant etc Jathabandis in my opinion because those two guys did something non of us was prepared to do.

Here, Here.

Well said, Mithar.

yep will do. may take time - as its all boxed up.

In the book 'The Mystical Arts of the Ninja' - or maybe one of his other books I've read, Stephen Hayes (a Bhuddist) compares OM as being the same as AMEN or AMEEN of the Abrahamic religions. The basic sound structure is the same.

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

MKS, you're a follower of the Old Testament/Bible??

Are you assuming that these terrorists didn't kill any Sikhs in the bombings?

finally some payback for the atrocities of delhi

This implies that it was SIkh Terrorists who planted the bombs? Do you know something that we don't......?

What hit me most was when Mike went into the Baba Atal tower and I saw the nasty white gloss paint......why??????

Its called "beautification"! Dont get too angry, its karsewa, innit.

LOL

I strongly sugest that all those who take an interest should record/photograph all these artworks/relics/history for posterity. It may be the last time you or others ever get to see it.

Matheen

As I said JUSTICE DELAYED....

I dont deny that Sikhs have done something now to put him behind bars and to 'take him out'.

But why has it taken so long?

On Sky's Discovery Knowledge Channel in UK

Date: Wednesday 10 September 08

Time: 1800 (?)

Weapon Masters

It is a series of programs about different weapons around the world.

A whole program is dedicated to the chakra as used in Shaster Vidiya.

Made in conjunction with Nihang Niddar Singh of UK.

Fateh

In the English Legal System there is a saying: JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED!

His alledged crimes and antics have been known for many years yet he has been immune from any actions from the so called 'Panth' or the Indian Judiciary. All the while Singhs wave placards and shout slogans on the streets against some movie that that apparently "hurts our sentiments", even before it has been shown!

Priorites are misplaced, for sure!

Who cares if someone rapes or murders, so long as they are in Sikhi saroop, eh?

Sikhs smack of the Islamic situation where brothers can do whatever they want as long as they are percieved as good muslims, without anyone questioning them, ie Idi Amin.

Check out this performance by Prof. Satnam SIngh.

http://www.apnaorg.com/music/farid/

Overall a great site for Panjabi literature/music/culture.

PANJAB; PANJABI; PANJABIAT!

Fateh

I believe that when these mahan-hasti's get to the stage they are at they can dispense with things like kirpan kanga etc.

A bit like when you join an army. At the begining you follow strict rules and regulations,dress and protocols ; but as you pass basic training and get promoted you follow diffrent rules.

Fateh

As you all know there are plenty of internet resources on the web about Sikhism. Most of them are of the standard 10Gurus, 5K, go to gurdwara, 1984, dont cut hair/eat meat/drink type. Most mundane and lacking intellectual stimulation!

Are there any sites members on this forum can recommend that are on par with Sikhawareness.ocm??

Having recently joined the 21st Centuary and subscribed to Sky I have noticed that there is not a single dedicated channel to Sikhi on system. There are several others that have a bit of path/kirtan in the morning or evening but that is it. The highlight being Sant S. Maskins katha. There are, however, several local radio stations broadcasting from gurdwaras.

If you look at the other major religions they all have several channels about their respective belifs.

One channel that I do like watching is Aastha TV. A beautiful set of programs in various languages. What I have noticed is that whereas other channels/religions ALWAYS preach how there faith is better than the rest and others are wrong, Aastha teaches snatanist philosophy/theology/bhakti/yog etc . ie real katha how it should be.

Coming back to my main point: is there a reason why there are no proper Sikhi channels with lessons from varying sants/ scholars etc?? Also with real kirtan by proper ragis not someone who has done a 6 week correspondence course on the tabla-baja (that seems to be the case with most kirtanias that I hear at Harimandir Sahib).

I dont believe lack of money is an issue; could it be lack of leadership or simply a case of "can't be arsed, guv'nor"??

Fateh

I remember as a kid in the gallery at Rara Sahib all the paintings and photos of Baba Ji - even in Military Uniform ( were they ever in the Army??).

One thing that becomes apparent is that they had a great sense of style!

Woudn't know where to start with any questions , but could you record your discussions with the Pir Sahib and put it up on the 'net??

no offense, but I find all this "become a member..etc.." somewhat comical.

But hey, all power to them and their licenses.

Its the same everywhere, esp here in UK. ie Membership of gurudwaras etc. I remember a few years back I was refused by the attendents to park my car at the Ramgarhia Temple in the Jewellry Qtr of Birmingham unless I was a member of the Gurudwara. They rent out spaces during the week to local businesses and make a killing in profits. (why cant I start such a business??). Maybe it was just my wrong caste??!!

Apparently being a Sikh with a gatra, kesh etc is not enough these days.

Oh well ....of to start my new temple business....anyone want to invest?? LOL

Too right N30 Singh, with your last comment.

Amazing how so many intelligent people cannot comprehend and jump to conclusions at first glance.

No more "khoj" anymore.

Found this link from another forum.

1. Amazing qwaali singing from Nusrat FAteh Ali Khan.......probs the one of best performance I have ever seen.

2. Just take a look at the two Singhs, they are one a completely different level!

Any chance someone can upload or provide a link for this shabad???

Ta muchly

If the the Jathedar of AT is subservient to the SGPC and on their payroll; furthermore, if the SGPC was created by Act of Law(?) by the British Indian Govt, therefore an Indian Quango.

Does that not mean that the Jathedar of Akal Takat is technically an employee of the State/National Government??

What ever the structure may be it does seem that in reality the Jathedar's position is quite defunct and the real 'leader' of the Sikhs is the Badal clan and his political cronies.

If you ask Baba Ji they will give you the ingrediants for making 'havan'(no anti-hindu remarks, please!) dhoop. And the procedure for doing a 'havan yag'.

The ingrediants he gives can quite easily be bought from places like Soho Road and Smethwick.

I remember when we made it many years back. Most of the stuff are actually just herbs and spices!

There are no set ingrediants. At Sultanpur , they only use several base ingrediants, whereas we bought tons of different items.

Jai Rimpoche Nanak Lama

Chi and Prana are said to be the same concept. One from India and the other from China.

Is the a difference in the way it is cultivated using different methods in both cultures ? ie. yoga, chi kung etc.

Is there a different reason to work on this energy given by Chinese and Indian masters?