Mr Sardar

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60114 http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6713

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http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/35194-dumbest-reasons-for-converting-to-islam.html Thing is the Islamic Research Foundation led by Zakir Naik is having a global effect like aurangzeb had and the conversion thing has started again. http://www.faithfreedom.org/ The times which we had are going to be even worse very soon be prepared for much worse then what happened to our Gurus and sikhs.

"As far as I know Baba Guru Nanak was great MUSLIM sufi who even went to perform Haj.Imagine the degree of his devotion he traveled across continent for this purpose.He even went to Banaras to find commonality in religions.He was born in hindu household.And believed in One God.Whom he affectionately called "Wahe Guru".He NEVER declared a separate religin in his life time.Formal Sikhism was formed hundreds of year after him.Sikhs developed separate identity for unity against onslaught of Mughals.Even foundation stone of their holiest of shrine "Golden Temple" was laid by greatest Muslim sufi saint Of his time Hazrat Mian Meer.You have to understand Sufis do not divisive but inclusive.They have romantic version of concept of God and religion.Which at times disagrees with conventional"wisdom"." http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/39578-sikh-praising-islam.html http://www.sikhism101.com/node/231 Most of us grew up believing in bhai bhala and now he has been taken out of the picture that the infamous bhai sobha singh painted of guru sahib in which guru sahib holds a flower in his hand. This practice of holding flowers is something even sufi masters did. http://www.justsikh.com/files/images/Guru%20Nanak-800X600.preview.jpg Bhai bhala janamsakhis are used in gurdwaras today all around but even today people have now declared them unauthentic and have stated that bhai sahib mani singh wrote janamsakhis which are authentic. Bhai Bhala janamsakhi states the rejection of prophet muhammad when guru sahib meets sheikh ibrahim as the need of an intercessor for wajjat-al-whuud or what hindus called moksha which in punjabi is mukhti. Even the development of sikhi rejecting drinking of alcohol was discovered by macaufille in islam it is haram however sikhs used to drink like the moghuls. There are many parallels in which if we start reading the haddiths we even find lost rehat which we are supposed to have today such as praising God before we eat or go toilet etc. which have been written in by baba nand singh nanaksar rehat. What sikhism is today is thanks to the sewa of maharaja ranjit singh but when we study his life we learn even he was ignorant of sikhi rehat otherwise just a heretic in himself, however his empire which somewhat a fusion between the court of Guru Gobind Singh and Akbar both which we can see were inspired by persia's cyrus the great for being immensely religious tolerant in a time of intolerance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Cylinder Maharaja ranjit singh in his possesion had janamsakhis which painted guru nanak more as a hindu, ranjit singh himself used to do devi pooja. Ranjit singh had 7 wifes who commited sati. Ranjit singh also believed guru nanak respected islam so in that sense he even paid for a caligraphy work of the quran which he showed respect to. However in his time the muslim moulla were insane who incited hatred as there are many now and in guru sahibs time so he had restrictions placed on them i.e. banning azan in punjab. The moghuls after studying sikhism found one thing disrespectful about islam which was: ‘Mitti Musalman ki peire paee Kumiar; Ghar bhandei itan kia, jaldi karei pukar.’(Asa Mohalla 1, P-466) ‘The ashes of the Mohammadan fall into the potter’s clod; Vessels and bricks are fashioned from them; they cry out as they burn. (Translation of the above) However today muslims studying the haddiths say going to dargahs is wrong and no different to idol worship and is shirk. We find in a janamsakhi guru nanak says his followers will end up worshipping the granth. In islam muslims are not allowed to associate any partner with allah as this is shirk the biggest sin a muslim can ever do, and if you notice most muslims educated in islam who go to a gurdwara will not prostrate infront of guru granth sahib including pirs themself they may touch the ground infront of it as a sign of respect. Which is also in our rehat marayada and most rehat we have are newly created by various movements, as for purthan rehat many of them have controversial things in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam) However that being said in terms of bowing infront of a murshid there are elements in sufism which allow the kissing of hand or feet in islam and many other aspects of bowing which do exist. Guru Nanak is declared as a practioner of tawhid. We find Nihangs even making muslims eating pork in the books of muslim historians it says Guru Nanak forbid his followers from eating pork his langar tradition was veggeterian to make in inclusive of even hindus. When studying such a mater we can not be closed minded we have to analyse such a mater from all angles even from muslim historians, french aswell as european historians and hindu historians. India has had a way of destroying religions that challenged Brahmanism such as buddhism. So we really have to investigate in Mohammedan countries such as syria. Guru Sahib taught us to be free thinkers as the sufis taught muslims to be aswell. (In the Court of Guru Nanak) The Ruler and the Pauper were equal. He brought into vogue the practice of bowing at each other’s feet. What a wonderful feat the Beloved wrought! Lo, the head bows at the feet. xxxxxxx Do not give up the practice of bowing at others’ feet. For in the Kaliyug this is the path. xxxxxxx A Sikh should adopt the practice of bowing at another’s feet; He should listen to the advice of the (other) Gursikh, and ponder over what he says. Bhai gurdas ji vaaran http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bole_So_Nihal There are many sikhs who forbid touching of feet as they say this is sin and a sikh should only bow infront of guru maharaj. The more we go in from our history the more we are learning that we are much further away from hinduism then we are to islam http://www.searchsikhism.com/hinduism.html Guru Nanak fordid anyone from making any photo painting of him or doing any play or movie about him which all the other Gurus said, this was common for hindus to do but forbidden in islam by prophet muhammad. During masand period there were statues of devi/devta all of harmander sahib and in baba atal we find painting of devta devi which evidence points to being placed perhaps during misl period. As for the orthodox of amritsanchar this was done by akali nihangs who if we compare to rehat they do bhaang all the time intresting thing is the vedas talk about bhang where in islam the prophet muhammad said anything that causes harm to you is haram- so drugs/alcohol were haram. Even though sufis did bhang aswell but we really have to cross compare sikhi with the greatest sufi in islam which is rumi. All sufis also teach there followers not to make painting of them. We might see Guru nanak similar to sai baba or bhagat kabir having pushed themselves away from islam but the thing is Guru Nanak spent alot of time with muslims, singing shabads in persian and arabic which most sikhs have not studied into and when we mention it alot of sikhs assume that it means we are superior to muslims because muslims bowed infront of our guru and if they did so it was perhaps because they assumed him to be one of them. We can actually see that according to rehat no gurdwara or sikh should even have a painting of guru sahibs. Additonally the moghuls even having relations with guru sahibs never constructed any huge monument towards them so it means they probably considered them to be low sufis perhaps it may reflect the heretic nature of going out of the scope of Muhammadanism. All we see is akbar aloted the land of amritsar to guru sahib they did respect them perhaps in an attempt to make dawah to them to become muslim.

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If this is truely the case then it is the duty of all sikhs to get this information out there because we are playing along with this game of creating problems in the world in our own belief system of respect other religions even though we may not agree with certain aspects of them.

sorry all baffalling krodh messes up thinking.

Thing is zakir naik's views are quite extreme not every muslim agrees with these views as some haddiths are unauthentic so people have different views rape in islam was haram. This is probably why in 1947 sikh women were raped in the millions due to those writings.

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The idea of one finger starts from Avesta who was a brahmin for monotheism and is shown by Guru Nanak below Avesta Zorostrain prophet "Zoroastrianism is the oldest of the revealed world-religions, and it has probably had more influence on mankind, directly and indirectly, than any other single faith." - Mary Boyce, Zoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices (London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1979, p. 1) "Zoroaster was thus the first to teach the doctrines of an individual judgment, Heaven and Hell, the future resurrection of the body, the general Last Judgment, and life everlasting for the reunited soul and body. These doctrines were to become familiar articles of faith to much of mankind, through borrowings by Judaism, Christianity and Islam; yet it is in Zoroastrianism itself that they have their fullest logical coherence....” - Mary Boyce, Op. Cit. p. 29.

http://www.hf.uib.no/i/religion/popularikonografi/exhib02.html the Prophet holds the Quran in his left hand, while with his right hand index finger, he points upwards. The one finger symbolises or reminds the viewer of the basic Islamic tenet of the one God.

You know rumi says in one of his works he was muhammad of the past so if we take literally maybe he was mohammad reincarnated and generally under reincarnation doctrines the virtues of that soul are preserved it is that the character of the past life will show so a famous prophet becomes a famous saint such bhagti has to follow through could mohammad be guru nanak? it is insane probably to say such a thing and paap. But prophet muhammad did alot of miracles he split the moon in half, his hair is still alive till today when human hair degenerates in 80years and if we believe in reincarnation he did alot of paap aswell from our perception however in that time those things were acceptable would such bhagati follow through? We do know prophet muhammad clearly had alot of knowledge of hinduism from the quran and haddiths he is teaching concepts which go back before his time from buddha, krishna, jesus, brahma, ram and further on even though he was illiterate.

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