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Inder ghagha claims he is firm believer in Bani of SGGS . Does bani teach him to hate other religions. That means he is a fake and fraudist who does not practice what he reads in SGGS ji.

fauji I have shown you some beliefs of RSS. So stop preaching that RSS is supporting Dasam granth. Dasam granth is scripture of Sikhs and Sikh panth is supporting Dasam Granth.

All bla bla without any facts.The constitution of the RSS states that it would propagate the banis of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Do we also ostracise Sri Guru Granth Sahib, just because RSS is propagating it? The logo of the (Rashtriya Sikh Sangat) RSS has the excerpt from Guru Nanak Sahibs Bani.Shall we discard SGGS also? Why would RSS propagate dasam bani which ridicules the Hindu Avtaars.Examples below "raam raheem puran kuran anek kahe mat ek na manyo" (Raamavtaar). "mae na ganeshe pritham manaoo, kishan bishan kabhoon na dhiaoon" (Krishanavtaar). "jite raam hooyen, sabhe ant mooye. jite kishan hve haen, sabhe ant jai haen. (Bachiter Natak). After writing about every Hindu avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib has written very clearly what he believes in. He knew that people like Kala chelas would get confused and would come up with their own idiotic logic. You people get fake unsigned letters from RSS terming those who defend Dasam Granth sahib as RSS agents. That letter is not signed even by anyone. The man under atatck is that who got a Hukamnama from akal takhat for boycott of RSS. Watch the video below. JUS Punjabi TV Talk on RSS http://santsipahi.org/index.php?option=com...w&Itemid=73 Now there is a RSS man right on this forum who is supporting you from other side by criticizing Dasam granth

You people get fake unsigned letters from RSS terming those who defend Dasam Granth sahib as RSS agents. That letter is not signed even by anyone. The man under atatck is that who got a Hukamnama from akal takhat for boycott f RSS. Watch the video below. JUS Punjabi TV Talk on RSS http://santsipahi.org/index.php?option=com...w&Itemid=73 Now there is a RSS man right on this forum who is supporting you from other side by criticizing Dasam granth

Balbir ji I know who you are. Let me tell you frankly You are here to defend Hindutva ideology. You are not a sikh. Had you been a sikh the following would have satisfied. , as well as the the supremacy of Karta Purkh being as their creator.

Who told you this? What is SGGS ji then?

Do you agree that God is both creator and destroyer of our life? Give your opinion.

Balbir ji Please answer the following Please tell me what is meant by Avtar per hinduism?

Bani is bani whether spoken orally or preserved in written form. It does not affect the status of bani.

It is not moorati. it is Moorat. . For me there is no difference. What do you think ----- ----- Please tell me what is meant by Avtar per hinduism?

Fauji This is second time i am posting for you.Please see below raam naam simar too jeeveh fir na khaa-ee mahaa kaal. ||1|| rahaa-o. Meditating in remembrance on the Lord's Name, you shall live, and the Great Death shall not consume you ever again. ||1||Pause|| Ang 885, SGGS Apart from that mahakal is also desribed in Charitropakhayan. In that Mahakal comes to the defence of his devotee a saintly lady who fights demons. Read below ਚਾਹਤ ਮਹਾ ਕਾਲ ਕਹ ਮਾਰੋ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਪੂਰਖ ਨਹਿ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਚਾਰੋ ॥ Asura forces wanted to kill Mahakal But fools did not think ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਕਾ ਕਰਾ ਪਸਾਰਾ ॥ ਤਾਹਿ ਚਹਤ ਤੇ ਮੂੜ ਸੰਘਾਰਾ ॥੭੬॥ That Mahakal who has created the whole world How can they kill Him Charitropakhayan Dasam granth Most of the terms these heretics distort, answers for those are found in Charitropakhayan. So is word kalka to which these heretics refer as Devi. That is also found in Charitropakhyan. It is not devi.It means of Kal.

ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਰਤੀ ਜਗ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਇਸੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਾਇਦਾ Gurbani vartee jag antar is Bani te Hari Naam paayidaa The Word of the Gurbani prevails throughout the world; through this Bani, God’s Name is obtained Ang 1066, SGGS ji

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਦੇਹਿ ਮੋ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥ काल पुरख की देहि मो कोटिक बिसन महेस ॥ In the body of the Immanent Lord, million of Vishnus and Shivas abide. ਕੋਟਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਵਿ ਸਸਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਰ ਜਲੇਸ ॥੧॥ कोटि इंद्र ब्रहमा किते रवि ससि क्रोर जलेस ॥१॥ Million of Indras, Brahmas, Suryas, Chandras and Varunas are present thre in His divine body.1. (Vishnu avtar, Chaubis avtar, Dasam Granth)

THis man is now speaking the same language but in different style. Shame on you for unmasking yourself as a mole of anti sikh forces.

Nobody barred them from coming and replying. Waheguruseeker is busy sending messages on my PM that have nothing but filthy abuses in vulgar language for me and my family. He sent me three yesterday. He is doing same thing with many others. He has enough time to send those PMs of hate laced with choicest abuses, certainly he has time to write his views here. Such a person is not entitled to be called a human being leave aside a sikh and certainly he undeserves to be mentor of any forum. He can write on SPN only where a few heretics pat each others back.

Read the answer below. trinity itself is there. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਪਚਹਾਰੇ ॥ ब्रहमादिक सभ ही पचहारे ॥ Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end; ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥ बिसन महेस्वर कउन बिचारे ॥ Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva? ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥ चंद सूर जिनि करे बिचारा ॥ The sun and moon also meditate on Thee; ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥ ता ते जनीयत है करतारा ॥१४॥ Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.14 Chaubis avtar, dasam granth

The charitra is on the MB. It is duty of poster who misquoted this charitra to point out the controversial part. He claims to have studied Dasam granth. Per your concern, do you know Punjabi/ Hindi or not.

Balbir singh ji Read below ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਪਚਹਾਰੇ ॥ ब्रहमादिक सभ ही पचहारे ॥ Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end; ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥ बिसन महेस्वर कउन बिचारे ॥ Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva? ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥ चंद सूर जिनि करे बिचारा ॥ The sun and moon also meditate on Thee; ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥ ता ते जनीयत है करतारा ॥१४॥ Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.14 Chaubis avtar, dasam granth

Balbir singh ji However one may try to distort the meaning of the line given in your post the next line does not leave any chance of misinterpretation. Please read ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥ सिम्रिति सासत्र बेद सभै बहु भेद कहै हम एक न जानियो ॥ स्री असिपानि क्रिपा तुमरी करि मै न कहियो सभ तोहि बखानियो ॥८६३॥ The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863. Guru sahib is defining his views about avtars and those are completely in line with sikh thought. The discussion was with Waheguruseeker. He claims to have Studied Dasam granth. He also understands Punjabi. Verses are also given in Hindi. It should not be any problem for you to understand these languages. Keep in mind that script of Dasam granth is Punjabi.

Balbir singh ji Yes it is. You will find name akal purakh only in Dasam Granth. The invocation of chaubees avtar we have discussed partly is also named Akal ustat. Then come the stories of individual avtars. It gives the whole understanding of sikh view of these avtars. There is nothing to ask about the status of these avtars once we read invocation. Invocation is to be kept in mind when reading stories of different avtars.

Shameless kala afghani and singhsabha canada member Gurpreet sumra, a friend of fauji, wrote on IHRO forum on Aug 5,2006. Note the sarcasm in the tone. The attack is not Dasam granth , the real attack is on Guru gobind singh ji. When sangat ocnfronted he ran away from that forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IHRO/message/2791 Re: [iHRO.IN] RE: Who was Lady ANOOP KAUR referred to in Chriters 21, 22 and 23 of "Chritropakhyaan' Agent Dalip Singh jeeyo, 1)Why did Guru Gobind Singh went to learn Bhagauti mantar? 2)Guru Gobind started running like a coward with his head over his heels when girlfriend Anoop Kaur started shouting chor-chor? 3)Guru Gobind Singh was so scared that he left his shoe and blanket over there in hurry afraid of getting kutapa from people? How is Sudarshan,Advani,Thackeray and Puran Singh? I think Sudarshan has again started his payments to you.Say my hello to Sangh parivar. For members interested in the story of girlfriend of Guru Gobind Singh,Anoop Kaur(as per Piara Singh Padam, Dalip Singh,RSS,VHP,BJP,Bajrang Dal) visit the following link

But keep the sanctity of thread in mind. Do not hijack the thread.

I thought the thread was on Chaubis avtar. If you want to discuss that Can we stick to the thread? You had one question and that was answered.

Balbir singh ji Your original quest was not for knowing correct translations. Your original quest is given below. Are you changing your quest now. if so we ca n concentrate on that. Above all Keep in mind that this thread is on Charitras 21,22 and 23 of Charitropakhayn.