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Kam ji I have never seen you in such a mood.This so called mighty kumari asks for such answers. There is a saying that " Soolan atte moorakh da moohn chhittar nal sidda keeta janda hai" This means that thorns and fools are straightened by a strong shoe.This lady rejects adsam granth sahib and yet writes kaur with her name.This is height of idiocy for this follower of kababi ragi .

So called mighty kaur you are a master twister also.I never said what you are attributing to me. Both granths are important for sikh panth. One is guru and the otehr is granth of khalsa.If you do not believe in Dasam granth you need to write as mighty Kumari and not kaur. I am not interested in medical histroy of fake professor.He is a dead wood for me after Jan 7.You can do his puja if you wish.

Might kaur Let me ask you one question so that we know from where you speak. Do you believe in sikh literature other than SGGS ji.That is important to know before replying to your bukwas. You need to shed some ignorance about sharabi kababi darshan ragi 1) It is a fact that he is 10 grade pass and was employed as a compounder at Jagroan(Ludhiana district) Compounder means a low grade para medic who packs medicine. 2) It is also a fact that when called on JUS TV for clarifying his blasphemic remarks he could not read even one line from Dasam Granth. 3) It is a fact that he does not know the language of dasam granth. 4) It is a fact that his name appears in MK dhar's book "OPen secrets" and is mentioned as an agent. There is another challenge for him from dasam granth parbodh sabha asking him to come for discussion. He has not responded and will never respond. May be he is too busy with his sharab kabab.

Might kaur The fact is that anti dasam granth brigade has not seen the gates of any university.Most of them are with 8 or 10 grades with 6 month course from a missionary school. before you do bukwas on this point further check your sources and you will find that what i stated is correct.

May be she is a follower of this sharabi kababi darshan ragi

He is a comrade and not a sikh even.He has no following and proved to be a coward when confronted by singhs at baisakhi sikh parade at Toronto.The following is written by one of his friends at kala afghana site sikhmarg. He was so scared that he failed to show up on hearing. Had he read dasam Garnth he would have behave like a man and not woman. Following is from a kala afghna site sikh marg psoted by a friend of so called president of Singh Sabha canada, truck driver Gurucharan Jeonwala. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/49435-singh-sabha-canada-seems-to-be-a-phoney-outfit/ The letter shows that these gurunindaks have no following and have presence on internet only. They were distributing CD's of Darshan ragi. They were challenged by panthic singhs and they had no will to stand against them. They fled the scene. Bunch of cowards and thugs.They have no base at all. Below is letter of Darshan singh Ghankas a friend of gurucharan Jeonwala ਦਲਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੋਠੀ ਜੀ ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਆਕਾਲ। ਤੇਰੀ 23/12/09, ਵਾਲੀ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਪੜ੍ਹ ਲਈ ਹੈ, ਹੇਠਾਂ ਮੈ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਉਤਰ ਲਿਖ੍ਹ ਰਿਹਾਂ ਹਾਂ। ਦੱਲਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਵਧਾਈ ਹੋਵੇ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਤੂੰ ਸਿਖ੍ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਵਾਲਾ ਬਣ ਗਿਆਂ ਹੈਂ, ਤੈਨੂੰ ਹੁਣ ਸਮਝ ਆ ਗਈ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਸਿਖ੍ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਿਖ੍ਹ ਨਹੀ ਕਿਹਾ ਜਾ ਸੱਕਦਾ, ਇਸ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ ਤੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਸਿੰਘ (ਥਰਮਾਮੀਟਰ) ਬਰਾਰ ਦਾ ਪਰਚਾਰ ਕੰਡਮ ਕਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਹੈ, ਕਿਉਕਿ ਤੇਰਾ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਤਾਂ ਲਿਖਦਾ ਸੀ, ਕਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਿਖ੍ਹੀ ਨਹੀ ਹੈ। ਤੇਰੀ ਕਵਿਤਾ ਤੋ ਸਾਫ ਜਾਹਰ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਤੂੰ ਹਾਲੇ ਬਚਪਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੀ ਘੁਮ ਰਿਹਾਂ ਹੈ। ਤੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਫੈਸਰ ਤਰਲੋਚਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਬਾਂਹ ਫੜਨ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ, ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਸਹੀ ਗੱਲ ਹੈ, ਵਿਾਚਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਸਾਝ ਬਹੁਤ ਹੈ, ਜਿ ਕਰ ਪ੍ਰਫੈਸਰ ਤਰਲੋਚਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਟੋਰਾਂਟੋ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੁੰਦਾ, ਤਾਂ ਮੈ ਜਰੂਰ ਹੀ ਲੋੜ ਪੈਣ ਤੇ ਉਸਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਖੜਦਾ। ਮੈ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਤੇਰੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਦੀ ਬਾਂਹ ਫੜਣ ਦੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਸਣਾਉਦਾਂ ਹਾਂ, ਜਰਾ ਧਿਆਨ ਦੇਵੀਂ ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਤੋਂ ਪਤਾ ਜਰੂਰ ਕਰ ਲਵੀਂ, ਤੇ ਫੇਰ ਸਿਖ੍ਹ ਮਾਰਗ ਤੇ ਦੱਸੀਂ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਠੀਕ ਹੈ, ਜਾਂ ਗਲਤ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਗੱਲ 2008 ਦੀ ਵਿਸਾਖੀ ਵਾਲੇ ਦਿਨ ਦੀ ਹੈ, ਗੁਰਚਰਨ, ਮੈਂ, ਜਸਵੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਮਾਂਗਟ ਅਤੇ ਦੋ ਚਾਰ ਹੋਰ ਬੰਦੇ, ਸਿੰਘ- -ਸਭਾ ਦੇ ਵਲੋਂ ਟੇਪਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਰਸਾਲੇ ਵਗੈਰਾ ਵੰਡ ਰਹੇ ਸੀ, ਸਾਮ ਦੇ 6 ਕੁ ਵਜੇ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ ਸੀ, 5-7 ਸਿੰਘ ਆਏ, ਅਤੇ ਆ ਕਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਦੀ ਬਾਂਹ ਫੜ ਲਈ, ਅਤੇ ਉਸਦੀ ਖਿਚ ਧੂ ਕਰਨ ਲੱਗੇ, ਮੈ ਤੇਰੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਦੀ ਬਾਂਹ ਛਡਵਾਉਣ ਦੀ ਕੋਸਿਸ ਕੀਤੀ, ਅਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਵੀ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਕੋਸਿਸ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਜੱਸਵੀਰ ਸਿਘ ਮਾਂਗਟ ਨੇ ਵੀ ਬੜੀ ਹੱਲਾ ਸੇਰੀ ਦਖਾਈ, ਉਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਕਹਿ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ, ਕਿ ਤੈਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਬੰਦ ਕਰ ਦਿਆਂ ਗੇ, ਅਤੇ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਸੋਧਾ ਐਸਾ ਲਾਵਾਂ ਗੇ ਕਿ ਤੂੰ ਲੰਬਣਾ ਨਹੀ, ਰੋਲਾ ਰੱਪਾ ਪੈ ਗਿਆ, ਜਸਵੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਪੂਲਸ ਲੈਣ ਭੱਝ ਗਿਆ, ਜਲਦੀ ਹੀ ਪੂਲਸ ਆ ਗਈ, ਅਤੇ ਪ਼ੁਲਿਸ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਹਟਾ ਦਿਤਾ, ਅਤੇ ਚਲੇ ਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਹਦਾਇਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਉਹ ਸਿੰਘ ਚਲੇ ਗਏ, ਅਤੇ ਸਾਡੀਆਂ ਟੇਪਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਤਾਬਾਂ ਦਾ ਬਕਸਾ ਚੁਕ ਕੇ ਲੈ ਗਏ, ਅਸੀਂ ਬੜੇ ਪਰੇਸਾਨ ਸਾਂ, ਕਿ ਇਹ ਕੀ ਬਣਿਆ। ਹਾਲੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਆਲਾ ਦਵਾਲਾ ਦੇਖ੍ਹ ਹੀ ਰਹੇ ਸਾਂ, 4-5 ਸਿੰਘ ਫਿਰ ਚੜ੍ਹ ਕੇ ਆ ਗਏ, ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਬੂਰਾ ਭਲਾ ਕਹਿਣ ਲਗੇ, ਉਨ੍ਹਾ ਦੀਆਂ ਮਿਨਤਾਂ ਤਰਲੇ ਕਰਕੇ ਅਸੀ ਖਹਿੜਾ ਛੱਡਵਾਇਆ, ਅਸੀ ਵਾਕਿਆ ਹੀ ਘਬਰਾ ਗਏ ਸੀ, ਸਾਨੂੰ ਨਹੀ ਪਤਾ ਸੀ, ਕਿ ਲੋਕ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਦੇਖਣਾ ਪਸੰਦ ਨਹੀ ਕਰਦੇ। ਅਸੀ ਘਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਤਿਆਰੀ ਕਰ ਲਈ, ਕਿ ਵੇਲੇ ਸਿਰ ਸੁਖ ਸਾਂਦ ਨਾਲ ਘਰ ਮੁੜ ਜਾਈਏ ਤਾਂ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਕਰਨੀ ਐਸੀ ਹੋਈ ਕਿ 3-4 ਚਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਫੇਰ ਆ ਗਰਜੇ ਅਤੇ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਕਹਿਣ ਲੱਗੇ ਕਿ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਭਸਮ ਕਰ ਦਿਆਂ ਗੇ, ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਹੋ ਕਿ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਦਾ ਬੱਚ ਬਚਾ ਕੀਤਾ, ਉਸ ਦਿਨ ਤੋਂ ਇਹ ਪੱਕਾ ਪਤਾ ਚੱਲ ਗਿਆ ਕਿ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਟੋਰਾਂਟੋ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਰਨਾ ਬਹੁਤ ਖਤਰਨਾਕ ਹੈ। ਜਿਸ ਤਰਫ ਤੋਂ 3 ਵਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਧਾਵਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਆਏ ਸਨ, ਅਸੀਂ ਉਸ ਪਾਸੇ ਨਹੀ ਗਏ, ਅਸੀ ਪਿਛਇਉਂ ਦੀ ਲੁਕ ਲਕਾ ਕੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਕਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਆ ਗਏ, ਅਸੀਂ ਵੜੇ ਘੱਬਰਾਏ ਹੋਏ ਸੀ। ਖੈਰ, ਦੋ ਸਿੰਘਾ ਤੇ ਚਾਰਜ ਭਰ ਦਿਤੇ ਗਏ ਸਨ, ਅਤੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਤਾਰੀਖ ਆਈ ਤਾਂ ਤੇਰਾ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਕਚੇਰੀ ਨਹੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਿਆ, ਅਤੇ ਚਾਰਜ ਖਤਮ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਸਨ। ਨਿਕੇ ਵਾਈ ਦਲਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਟੋਰਾਂਟੋ ਵਿੱਚ ਆ ਜਾਉ, ਕਿਉਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਦੁਨਿਆਵੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੇਲੇ ਵੀ ਤੂਹਾਡੀਆਂ ਬਾਂਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਜਰੂਰ ਪੈ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ। ਦੂਰੋਂ ਬੈਠ ਕਿ ਭੱਬਕੀਆਂ ਨਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਕਰੋ। ਜਦੋਂ ਦਾ ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ, ਇਸ ਸਾਹਿਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਵਾਰੇ, ਇੱਕ ਕਿਤਾਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਹ ਲਿਖ ਬੈਠਾ ਕਿ, ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਜਦੋਂ ਮੱਕੇ ਗਏ ਸਨ, ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾ ਨੂੰ ਮੂਲਾਂ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਰਹਿਸ ਮਿਲੀ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ, ਮੂਲਾਂ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਮਾਸ ਖਾਣਾ ਪਿਆ ਸੀ। ਜਿਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਅਸਲੀਲ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਲਿਖਣ ਦੀ ਬਿਮਾਰੀ ਹੈ, ਇਸੇ ਤਰਾਂ ਇਦੰਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗੇ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਅੱਬਲੀਆਂ ਜੱਬਲੀਆਂ ਲਿਖਣ ਦੀ ਬਿਮਾਰੀ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਹੀ ਕਾਰਣ ਹੈ ਕਿ, ਨਾ ਗੁਰਬਚਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਥਾਈਲੈਂਡ, ਨਾ ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ, ਨਾ ਗੁਰਚਰਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਰਾਰ ਟੋਰਾਂਟੋ ਵਿੱਚ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਕਰਨ ਤੋਂ ਅਸੱਫਲ ਹਨ। ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਪਿਆਰ ਅਤੇ ਨਿਮਰਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਧੱਕੇ ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀ। ਆਖਿਰ ਵਿਚ: ਤੂੰ ਕਈ ਵਾਰ ਮੇਰੇ ਅਸਥੀਫੇ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਕਰਦਾਂ ਹੈ, ਤੂੰ ਆਪਦੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਨੂੰ ਆਖ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਅੱਸਥੀਫੇ ਦੀ ਕਾਪੀ ਸਿਖਮਾਰਗ ਤੇ ਪਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਜੋ ਵੀ ਼ਲਿਖਣਾ ਹੈ, ਸਾਰਾ ਲਿਖੇ ਅਤੇ ਮੈ ਜਬਾਬ ਦੇ ਹਾਂ। ਜੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਨੂੰ ਮੇਰੇ ਨਾਲ, ਆਡਾ ਲੈਣ ਦਾ ਚਾ ਹੈ, ਤਾਂ ਮੀਟਿੰਗ ਬਲਾ ਕੇ, ਮੇਰਾ ਅਸਥੀਫਾ ਵਾਪਸ ਕਰ ਦੇਣ, ਫਿਰ ਮੈਥੋਂ ਲੈ ਲੈਣ, ਫਿਰ ਵੇਖਣਗੇ ਕੇਹੜੇ ਭਾ ਵਿਕਦੀ ਹੈ। ਜੇ ਮੈ, ਅਸਥੀਫਾ ਆਪਣੀ ਖੁਸੀ ਨਾਲ ਨਾ ਦਿੰਦਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਫਿਰ ਕੋਈ ਕੁੱਝ ਨਹੀ ਸੀ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ, ਜੇ ਹੁਣ ਵੀ ਚਾਹਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਕਾਨੂੰਨ ਰਾਹੀ, ਲੱੜ ਕੇ ਨਹੀ, ਤੇਰੇ ਉਸਤਾਦ ਦੇ ਨਾਨਕੇ ਯਾਦ ਕਰਵਾ ਸੱਕਦਾਂ ਹਾਂ। ਤੇਰਾ ਵੱਡਾ ਵੀਰ, ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਘਣਕਸ 0

Kam has used the right words. Whole khalsa panth promotes DG.Only a few heretisc who can be counted on fingers are propagating against DG. May i ask this mighty kaur 1) Why Darshan Ragi writes himself as professor? He is a 10 grade pass> Does that not show he has no ethics. 2) Darshan ragi used to hold these meetings at his home at Ludhiana a distance of 70 miles from Amritsar sahib. 3) He is a sharabi and kababi as reported by panthic.org. Is it OK for his thug followers. Mighty kaur see these vidoes before you write bukwas here http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5ssWDw8Qfno http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LRjFvvyJYiE

have you anything else to say that has relevance to thread.

i do not know whose response you are waiting for.This is a typical case of uttering slander against panthic jathebandis.This is what he was doing there on sikhsangat. I rebutted his points.

Have you anything else to say other than slander. Sikh sangat has its own policies to judge conduct of people.They take action independently whom to ban or not.I do not think they are influenced by anyone's opinion. If you indulge this type of slander certainly they will take action. Already admin has told you to behave.Beter keep that in mind.

I have never read this type of trashy post anywhere so far especially when this member interacted with me only once on sikhsangat. he wanted to name call Damdami taksal and other jathebandis. Obvious reason was parkash of Dasam granth.I intervened and asked that all these jathebanids have proven their love for sikh panth by giving immense sacrifices. To get personal is an immature trait. We are discussing issues here and not persons.

She has problem with whole dasam granth and all sikh literature including rehtnamas, contemporary sikh writings, srabloh granth etc etc. etc. She only and only recognizes SGGS ji. This was stated by her on sikhsangat.

Most of above is crap. This lady is nowhere on sikh flag.Show us. She is neither called sarbloh nor sword. She is shown as a fighter against Demons. Sword is symbol of akal purakah and akal purakh is creator of this lady.

Nobody ever said anything against SGGS ji.Acknowledging dasam granth as scripture of sikhs does not demean SGGS ji.

I really do not care what they write there.Most of them are from SPN who do not like me because i bared their agenda. This does not deter me at all from countering their anti sikh philosophy being propagated in the name of respect for SGGS ji. Such people have no respect for SGGS ji either.Missionaries friend sof spokesman have already bared their agenda by disowning SGGS also. This is all over the internet and leading light of this gang is Joginder of spokesman. This lady was put under moderation twice at sikh sangat becuase of condemning dasam Granth and use of uncivil language.

same thing again.You are editing your previous post and putting garbage laden language in those. Is this the language you are taught at home.may be i am not older than your daddy. I can reciprocate accordingly. You have done similar bukwas in another post also Read below You can use such language at home. Learn how to conduct on a public forum.Tell your parents to teach you some manners. When admin discipline you then you start crying.If you want respect learn to conduct with diginity. Admin Mind her language posted in an edited post after she was warned.

i read the psot regarding Harbhaja singh. Why is he silent on the most important rehatnama of Bhai Chaupa singh JI? He is silent on that because it does not go per his agenda.

Are you not aware which banis were recited during amrit sanchar of 1699. Same that are being recited today. If you do not believe in all those five banis what are you doing here on a sikh forum? You are violating sikh rehat maryada and spreading anti sikh propaganda. Pricipal harbhaja singh has done of a lot of bukwas and his anti sikh credentials as a missionary Guru are well known to sikhs. you need not to spread his anti gurmata propaganda here.

Mind your language if you are a sikh at all. I hope admin take care of a scoundrel's language being used by kala afghnai sect. He needs to be reined in like his other brother.This is hisn third abusive post in the same thread. He does not believe at all in any of banis of dasam granth. Why does not he remain aloof from such a debate. kala afghna sect has infiltrated this site thorughly.

In same way , in say tat Those who propagate against dasam granth are RSS stooges . Why will RSS promote a granth that use strong language aginst brahminism. Read below to face reality Condemnation of Idol Worship in dasam Granth * ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਪੂਜ ਧਰਯੋ ਸਿਰ ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਲਿੰਗ ਗਰੇ ਲਟਕਾਇਓ ॥ * Someone worships stone and places it on his head. Someone hangs the phallus (lingam) from his neck. .(pg.42) * ਕੋਉ ਬੁਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੈ ਪਸੁ ਕੋਉ ਮ੍ਰਿਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਨ ਧਾਇਓ ॥ * Some fools worship the idols and some go to worship the dead. (pg.42) * ਪਾਇ ਪਰੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਕੇ ਜੜ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈਂ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨਾਹੀ ॥੯੯॥ * O fool! Fall at the feet of Lord-God, the Lord is not within the stone-idols.99.(pg.111) * ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਸਿ ਮਮਤਾ ਹੁਇ ਗਏ ॥ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਪਾਹਨ ਠਹਿਰਏ ॥੧੩॥ * They also were overpowered by ‘mineness’ and exhibited the Lord in statues.13. .(pg.134) * ਪਾਹਨ ਪੁਜੈ ਹੈ ਏਕ ਨ ਧਿਐ ਹੈ ਮਤ ਕੇ ਅਧਕ ਅਧੇਰਾ ॥ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਹੁ ਤਜਿ ਹੈ ਬਿਖ ਕਹੁ ਭਜਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਝਹਿ ਕਹਹਿ ਸਵੈਰਾ ॥ * Worshipping the stones, they will not meditate on One Lord; there will be prevalent the darkness of many sects; Leaving the ambrosia they will desire for poison, and they will name the evening time as early-morning; .(pg.1142) * ਤਾਸ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਹੀ ਜੋ ਹੋਹਿ ਹੈ ਅਬ ਹੈ ॥ਨਿਹਫਲ ਕਾਹੇ ਭਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੁ ਫਲਿ ਦੈ ॥ * Why do you not pray to Him, who will be there in future and who is there in the present? You are worshipping the stones uselessly; what will you gain by that worship? (pg. 1289) * ਅੱਛਤ ਧੂਪ ਦੀਪ ਅਰਪਤ ਹੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਖੈ ਹੈ ॥ * Rice, incense and lamps are offered, but the stones do not eat anything. (pg.1349) * ਕਹਾ ਭਇਓ ਜੋ ਅਤ ਹਿਤ ਚਿਤ ਕਰ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧ ਸਿਲਾ ਪੁਜਾਈ॥ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਥਕਿਓ ਪਾਹਿਨ ਕਹ ਪਰਸਤ ਕਛੁ ਕਰ ਸਿਧਨ ਆਈ॥ਤਾ ਮੈਂ ਕਹਾਂ ਸਿਧ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੁ ਬਰ ਦੇਹੈ॥..(ਸਬਦ ਹਜਾਰੇ) * Of what use is the worship of the stones with devotion and sincerity in various ways? The hand became tired of touching the stones, because no spiritual power accrued. O fool! where is the spiritual power in them, so that they may bless you with some boon. (pg.1349) * ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਪੂਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਪੂਜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੀ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਮਿਟਾਹੀ ॥ * Why do you worship stones? Because the Lord-God is not within those stones; you may only worship Him, whose adoration destroys clusters of sins; (pg.1353) * ਜੌ ਜੁਗ ਤੈ ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ਤਪਸਾ ਕਛੁ ਤੋਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨੁ ਨ ਪਾਹਨ ਕੈ ਹੈ ॥ਹਾਥ ਉਠਾਇ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧ ਸੋ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੂ ਬਰਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੈ ਹੈ ॥ * You may even perform the austerities for an age, but these stones will not fulfill your wishes and please you; they will not raise their hands and grant you the boon; (pg.1353) * ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਭਯੋ ਫਲ ਹੀਨ ਜੁ ਪੂਜ ਸਿਲਾ ਜੁਗਿ ਕੋਟ ਗਵਾਈ ॥ਸਿੱਧ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਲ ਕੇ ਪਰਸੇ ਬਲ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਧ ਘਟੀ ਨਵਨਿੱਧ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ * The hollow religion became fruitless and O being! you have lost years and years by worshipping the stones; you will not get power with the worship of stones; the strength and glory will only decrease; (pg.1353) * ਪਾਹਨ ਕੋ ਅਸਥਾਲਯ ਕੋ ਸਿਰ ਨਯਾਇ ਫਿਰਯੋ ਕਛੁ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੂੜ ਅਗੂੜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਤਜਿ ਆਪਨ ਹੂੜ ਕਹਾ ਉਰਝਾਯੋ ॥੨੬॥ * You had been wandering with bowed head in the temples of stones, but you realized nothing; O foolish mind! you were only entangled in your bad intellect abandoning that Effulgent Lord.26. (pg.1354) * ਕਹੂੰ ਲੈ ਠੋਕ ਬਧੇ ਉਰ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੌ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ਕਾਹੂੰ ਕਹਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਸੀਤ ਕੈ ਬੀਚ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ * Someone has tied the stone-idol around his neck and someone has accepted Shiva as the Lord; someone considers the Lord within the temple or the mosque; (p1351) * ਕਿ ਓ ਬੁਤ ਪਰਸਤੰਦੁ ਮਨ ਬੁਤ ਸਿਕਸਤ (ਜ਼ਫਰਨਾਮਹ) * They were the idol worshippers, and me the idol destroyer

Mithar ji With all respect to you i understand your love for panth.That is what is needed. But it is fair to say that dasam granth was always in parkash alonside SGGS ji in purantan times. Please see below http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/49287-akj-stance-on-sri-dasm-granth-sahib-jee/page__st__24 When Gurmata or great national council, is called, (as it always is, or ought to be, when any imminent danger threatens the country, or any large expedition is to be undertaken) all the Sikh chiefs assemble at Amritsar. The assembly, which is called the Guru-mata, is convened by the Acalis; and when the chiefs meet upon this solemn occasion, it is concluded that all private animosities cease, and that every main sacrifices his personal feelings at the shrine of the general good; and, actuated by principles of pure patriotism, thinks of nothing but the interests of the religion, and commonwealth, to which he belongs. When the chiefs and principal leaders are seated, the Adi-Granth and Dasama Padshah ka Granth are placed before them. They all bend their heads before these scriptures, and exclaim, Wa! Guruji ka Khalsa! Wa! Guruji ki Fateh! A great quantity of cakes, made of wheat, butter, and sugar, are then placed before the volumes of their sacred writings, and covered with a cloth. These holy cakes, which are in commemoration of the injunction of Nanac, to eat and to give to others to eat, next receive the Unquote Charles wilkins visit to patna during 1781 They told me further, that some years after this book of Noneek Sah had been promulgated, another10 made its appearance, now held in almost as much esteem as the former. The name of the author has escaped my memory; but they favoured me with an extract from the book itself in praise of the Deity. The passage had struck my ear on my first entering the hall when the students were all engaged in reading. From the similarity of the language to theHindoovee11, and many Sanscrit words, I was able to understand a good deal of it, and I hope, at some future period, to have the honour of laying a translation of it before the Society. They told me I might have copies of both their books, if I would be at the expense of transcribing them. Unquote Puratan singhs had more kamai than us.Do you think singhs who were at higher at stage of realization were wrong.Parkash of dasam granth is not to belittle SGGS ji at all. Kala afghana jundli is not sikh.They are here to destroy sikhism

I fully agree. Those who do parkash of dasam granth have demonstrated their committment to SGGS as their guru by sacrificing their lives for this granth.They live sikhi and know its vibrant spirit that they learn from both granths.

Mithar ji You have missed two beers of Dasam granth sahib that were compiled in 1696 and 1698. May be you are not aware of those.Or you do not believe in those. kartarpuri beer was there but not at Anandpur sahib during guru sahib's physical presence.It was at kartarpur. Again topic is not to belittle SGGs ji by doing parkash of dasam Granth. We need to remember that there were gutkas and pothis after Dasam granth was written that had banis of both granths.What does that mean?If SGGS was not belitted then how can it be now? Then Bhai mani singh ji had both granths in one beer.What does that mean? Are we being more wiser than Bhai mani singh ji? We had parkash of both granths together during gurmattas and that is testified by Malcolm. We have photograph by an austrian painter showing both granths together? Are we telling that those gursikhs who had the privilege of being in company of tenth master were dummies and we are smarter than them? We have banis of Dasam Granth in Das Granthi and gutkas along banis of SGGS. That does not take status of Gurship away from SGGS ji.So let us not sccumb to propaganda tactics of those who do not acknoweledge Dasam granth. The fact is that we have two granths in theory but only one in practice.That is the root cause of our problem.

Shaheediyan I have given the relevant text from baat cheet in my earlier post. This was the order to army which was combing countryside during operation woodrose in 1984. This operation was launched immediately aftetr operation blue star. Thos combined with looting of manuscripts and burnib ofn sikh refrenec library say a lot about intentions at that time. The subject para has been repeated in Mark tully's book " Amritsar Her last battle"

Do you think SGGS was available at Anandpur sahib? When he was Guru himself this question is not relevant. Dasam granth was compiled by him in 1696/1697 and was looted during ransack of Anandpur. but nevertheless its parkash was seen by CHarles Wilkins at Patna sahib when he visited patna sahib in 1781.Read his writing " The seeks and their college" Parkash of Dasam granth is not being done to belittle SGGS ji which of couse is our Guru eternal. At takhats weapons are on display at main podium. SGGS is on side. What is being propagated by some here is slander of dasam granth under the guise of maryada.That is what should be seen by us.