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Gur Fateh I was surfing the internet this morning when i cam across the following post on another sikhi forum . it starts of as a simple question of whether to bow to sants or not. The replies of the post are alarming to say the least in respect to the points raised. If this is type of things Sants get up to these days, it is understandable why people are getting further and further form the idea of sants! All it does is to arm further the people who are already against sants. I believe Sants should be respected because of the instiution they respect, the clothes they wear. But in this day and age it is harder and harder to do so. The post is included below: VJKK VJKF A good friend of mine is a shardalu of a sant and we usually go to the local gurdwara on our lunch breaks. We recently went to the gurdwara and he took me outside of a room, where the sant stays when he is at the Gurdwara. The door for the room was locked and he bowed down in front of the room to which I was quite surprised. I have also seen some people stand up to welcolme sants in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I have read that sant Kartar Singh (DDT) wouldn't enter a divan hall when people would stand up to greet him as he thought it was direspectful to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the great king of kings. As I understand a sant is a mahapursh that has a great spiritual level of understanding and I have alot of respect and pyar for them as they are great souls who are playing their part in keeping great rehat within some gurdwaras. Therefore I feel to respect them is good as we might learn something from them that will increase our level of spirituality and gyan. But the question is how far do we go to show respect? and if we bow to them (or a room?) are we disrespecting guru ji? I would be grateful if any one could clarify this for me, as I see this happening quite often. Also if some one could post an example of how great mahapurshes were treated during the physical life of the 10 Gurus. Thank you for your help, VJKK VJKF REPLY 1 It was always the respect of Shabad not the body. Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Jee were respected due to Shabad inside them. Guru Gobind Sahib Jee were respected due to Shabad inside them. The Shabad has been now residing in Guru Granth Sahib Jee, hence just need to bow Guru Granth Sahib Jee. That does not mean, you don't respect others. But to bow (to sacrifice or to surrender) is only to Guru. All these so-called Saints have attained this Vadyaaye through Guru Granth Sahib Jee, then why not hold tight to the limitless sea and bow or sacrifice to Guru Sahib Jee, instead of being in confused state. Reply 2 it hurts me so much to see this after watching this so often, it feels like sunts are TUG. i have seen it so much. a relative of my friend is a big shardalu of baba maan singh pihowa (i didnt say sant, explane it soon), and when baba comes and he does lot of sewa of maan singh. he even gave him lot of money. now hez kinda in bad situation cuz maan singh now frequently ask him for money so openly. for more than once, maan singh asked (actually ordered ) him to produce 5 grands and 7 grands in few hours. now, why i dont respect this 'Bhekhee'. In New York richmond hill gurughar (i was there) he was doin katha (or whatever its called cuz its not keertan of shabd and not only katha vichar of a shabad, most of em usually sing these kavitas) . he said, " THERE ARE SOME SHABAD IN GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI THAT CAN NOT BE PUT IN 'VIAKHAYA' IN FRONT OF BEEBEEYAN". then he looked at granthy ji to get is vote in this but granthy ji was motionless. there was no response from granthy ji against this "KOOR" by this so called sunt. no one did anything. i was looking at the granthy ji and other high positioned guru pyarey. i was hurt to see this guy insulting guru ji. if anyone says anything sangat goes "these SHOKREY making trouble in gurughar and insulting sants" we gotta be awared from these pakhandees im sure i have insulted many guru pyare by my posting. it is so true. i havnt wrote the stuff that i heard, if i had the list would've been endless. bhul chook maff jio gur fateh Reply 3 think through meditation and Gurbani few people can get to level of knowing the feeling of others and may be read others mind. This opportunity makes them to become Sant. No true Sant will have people bow in front of him or her. He or She will direct the people to bow in front of Guru Granth Sahib only. Becoming Sant and make people follow his or her teachings is a leadership quality. Or some times It is passed on by the dynasty. Although many Sants have their Dera based on Guru's teaching and preach the teachings of Guru and convence people to become kesdhari Sikh and teach them to become Amritdhari the main object is have faith in the Sant himself that is why they always sing the shabads having sant word in it, That is why people are attached to Sants (So called) and Deras like Dodra, Various branches of Taksals, Baba Man singh etc. etc. IT Is these sants who allow the people to touch their feet. They claim that with out Sant one can not understand the Gurbani, They say that there has to be some Mahapurakh or teacher to teach. But the sensible people know that greatest teacher, Mahapurakh, Sant, Guru is Guru himself. "Guru Granth ji Maniyo pragat Guran ki de " All these Deras who have their own set of rules under the cover of teaching or preaching Gurbani is nothing more than a Cult.

that picture taken from www.bhorasahib.com shows the sant samaj of that day which was headed by Sant Ji maharaj Baba isher Singh Ji rara Sahib. It was taken during the Mangal Discusion at Rara Sahib

why should have baba mohinder singh ji have got the gaddi? it was intially offered to Sri Maan Sant Baba Balwant Singh Ji Rara Sahib, who declined it saying they were not worthy of it and passed it on to Sant baba Teja Singh Ji. and anyway They left for jarg sahib some time after baba Teja Singh had Taken their place on the Gaddi

at all rara sahib Samparada Gurdwarae and Ashramas Jot is lit during Akhand paths and diwans!

please check out the photo gallery 24 new Saroops of maharaj ji now added

I accept Baba Teja Singh Ji is head of Rara Sahib, but my site is dedicated to Sant Maharaji not Rara Sahib or Rara sahib Samparda so i eneded it with maharaj ji. this was done for no other reason, and bu not includong it how does that make baba teja singh not head?. baba teja Singh Ji is a puran Mahapurakh no doubt about it, but you cant critise other sites because all people have their own views. sant maharaj Ji spent all their life teaching respect for saints so challenging anyone is against the message of saints, and it is this attitude of my sant is bigger than your sant, which is lowering the esteem in which saints are held. All these sites respect Sant maharaj Ji so leave it at that if you dont like it dont visit them, but challenging people is against the very principles sant maharaj ji set out

http://www.bhorasahib.com/Diary.htm please see the link to see the entire diary and other information on Sant ji Maharaj. In particular please watch the amazing Bachan video on the video page

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Please see my new Website dedicated to shriman 111 Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji maharaj rara sahib Wale www.bhorasahib.com

Please see my new Website dedicated to shriman 111 Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji maharaj rara sahib Wale

a view of the 5 star gurdwara in southall

no it wasnt jathedar ji. they left under unideal circumstances considering their role as Jathedar of maharaj jis jatha. alot of people will probabaly disagree with me complteley here, but Jarg was made in competition to rara sahib. As many people know Bhupinder Singh famously said we will make people forget rara sahib! it is a sad thought that politics and rivarly can affect such instutuions like rara sahib. One must not forget the time when a teacher came to vaddae maharaj ji and said maharaj ji thank you my entire class has passed the year. Maharaj ji replied looking at their Jatha who was sitting along side and said what about the teacher whose pupils all fail!

with regards to sant baba isher singh ji maharaj jis succesor we shouldnt forget that the gaddi went rightly to Chotte maharaj Ji Sant baba kishen singh ji who was a true bhramGiani and who graced us with is presence till 1991. it was after Choote maharaji that the gaddi went to Sant baba teja singh ji who was vadda maharaj jis cook. he was bestowed the sewa of bhora sahib by Choote maharaj ji who told him to do sewa beliving maharaj ji was still alive, a sewa that Sant ji is doing to this day. when given the sewa by chote maharaj ji he was told Bahar de khall chadd de 3 times. to this day he only leaves bhora sahib twice a year to go into darbar sahib to give sangat darshan on the stage for the barsis of vaddae and chote maharaj ji. i was there once when another sant came to ask Sant teja singh ji to lay the foundation stone of a new gurdwara, to which ant teja singh replied je asi Bachan ni Mania Jeevan da koi fada nahii hai!

brothers i converted a tape by bhai sulakahan singh ji rara sahib onto mp3 and shared it on Dc++ Someone who uploaded it from me then changer his name from bhai to sant. Bhai Sulakhan Singh was never a sant he was a sewadar of sant isher Singh ji maharaj who used to like his kirtan and many times he used to perform kirtan before sant ji maharaj. i do have some more tapes of him and i will shortly be converting it to mp3s. i hope this clears up any confusion

just to let people know that the site has been updated so please have a look ! and guyd thanks for all your comments on here and your emails of support! greatly appreciated! Rupinder

please visit my website dedicated to the loving memeory of His Holiness Sant Isher Singh Ji Maharaj www.santbabaishersinghji.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

This is a true story. i am a sewak of Rara Sahib and although i never had darshan of Mahan Haste That was Maharaji, like manvir i have spent time a t hapur and have seen similar style exorcisms with my own eyes. it is easy for people to doubt until you see it first hand