Narsingha

Individual choice...

...I'm happy with the blunt spoon...

Had a look at one of these kirpans (one of the lads brought his one into the Akhara). The blade is made of very good steel and can be sharpened well. But thats about it...handle looks tacky, cheap, and its not ideal grip for combat. Then again, the handle could be replaced by a custom one made from wood or resin with better grips and a less "I have a new kirpan" look - as long as the blade tang is long enough to be secured.

However, despite this, it beats the "Taksali" and SGPC versions, and those distributed by the Sikh Missionary. Then again, a blunt spoon could cause more damage than the Sikh Missionary kirpans.

The Budha Dal daggers/kirpans are still top notch - well designed, solid blades and handles, good steel that can be sharpened well, armour piercing, and come in a vast array of sizes and shapes.

Actions speak louder than words..

sin...depends on the quality of your guilty conscience.

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amrit, we have another team that will be documenting events at Holla...

As yet I'm not sure if we (Nihang Niddar Singh and myself) will make it for Holla - we have lots of places and people to visit all over Punjab/Maharastra. The idea is to cover as much ground as possible in the time we have....

If we turn up, I'll let you know....

I heard from 'some Nihangs in India close to Baba Santa Singh' that Nihang Niddar Singh isnt a real Nihang because he watches Sky One.

y does everything always happen to mejindarpal

..well, just as well they didnt take the piss and ask Sikhs if they knew how to use the kirpan :roll:

Is that good or bad? Cos er..I can relate to them..kinda.

Its inevitable that people will adopt terms to define themselves - or their system of belief in order to distinguish it from another. Whether this is good or bad - matter of perception. :wink:

I went to London Sikhi Week today and a question came up that relates very much to this thread :shock:.

The panel (if they can be called that :? :roll: ) could not answer the question. :!: :evil:

Who was on the panel?

Looks like terms such as "NanakPanthi" and "NanakShahi" are coming back into circulation...

You've mixed me up with a Canadian...I find that extremely insulting....

Please apologise, or prepare to buy a new PC on the weekend...

:twisted:

..fanaticism...I assume that forgot Tapoban.org resides upon hallowed canadian soil?

Canadians...always slow to catch up with the UK

Exactly, and neither can you, so let Guru Sahib decide who has real Shardha.

...that was the point I was making (duh!). Feminists :roll:

Perhaps the descendants of Mian Mir not receiving a siropa is a blessing - who would want to receive a siropa from a murderer anyhow?

One is going on British Airways because one is posh.

..damn straight!

Sikh, one who is constantly learning and developing..

...if ur not a Sikh, ur going against evolution.

£435??

This article, the previous one, and forrthcoming articles will be up on shastarvidiya.org in the next version (which I'm working on as we speak)

Niranjana , Im merely saying a person who has shardha for Maharaj and is aware of the protocol to be observed in the Gurudwara should be allowed to do Kirtan. Now, many money who are obviously not Amritdhari work in the langar and do paath, knowing how they must act within a Gurdwara without any problems whatsoever. Why not these people?

Do they have to be wearing a Kirpan to be able to sing?

....is everyone suffering from schizoid personality disorder?

Anyway, just a few queries:

a) is 'shardha' alone enough?

who can tell whether its genuine 'shardha'?

c) does one require 'shardha' in order to fulfill a goal?

Also, whatever happened to possessing skill, knowledge, and traditions?

Logically, if a person has true 'Shardha' for Guru Maharaj, they will inevitably ensure that they follow the 'Hukam' of the Guru (..and understand that kirtan is sung in Raags, correct protocol is followed, etc etc) so as not to offend Guruji, Sadh Sangat and Guru Khalsa.

This modern day use of terms such as 'Shardha' appear in many cases to be an excuse not to follow Maryada. Then again, if one feels they need to sit on stage to reveal how much 'Shardha' they have, then who can argue with that...

Oh and now they are finally realising that women should be given the same rights when it comes to worship and singing in the Darbar Sahib, that took a while.

..feminists :roll:

nope just trying to have a normal conversation which is something you guys seem incapable of doing! Narsingha you are a hypocrite my friend, you accuse others of not being able to hold debate/conversation etc, yet when I try here, you resort to avoiding the questions and lame attacks. Again artist please shut up, you really do need a muzzle to stop your little whimpering. Narsingha either answer the questions or just say that you don’t know. Beast I appreciate your attempts, but a clear answer would be appreciated. That one given prev seems a bit 'wishy wasshy'!

Lame attacks? Calm down - no need to get so touchy. For a minute there I thought I was addressing a hairdresser. Nothing is normal when it comes to Nihangs - I thought that was common knowledge. You are looking to categorise answers in little boxes marked 'black' and 'white'. Sorry but that approach is what has let you down.

If I'm a hypocrite, then thats fine - as long as YOU are genuine then nothing else should matter. Allow others the freedom to be hypocrites.

If you read my replies, you should be able to deduce the answers for yourself - unless they happen to be too cryptic for you to decipher.

Are you worried you wont be accepted into the Nihang Dals due to your sexual preference? :wink:

No beast, i am afraid that by highlighting ONE word you cannot infer anything.

And artist..... etc.... again grow up little boy. Its like talking to a 10 year old.

I have doubts over these claims of assult in both nihang, mehta, sants dera's etc. There seem to be plenty of rumours but no proof. Perhaps this is some more research teja can do. I have heard the rumours too, and yes every case is absolutely dreadful, but i wonder if the scale at which it is being suggested is scare-mongering? As previously mentioned it is also a tactic of people (many who oppose sants of any kind) to say that these sants abuse kids etc just to blacken their name. Im not saying it never happens, just tryng to establish the degree of the problem. If it is as bad as people are making it out, then perhaps different people (again as prev mentioned) should be sent in to invesitgate the budha dal and metha.

It is with this doubt that i gave a scenario which, like you said, could be crazely twisted into something which it is not.

i agree that since it appears we are not mature enough to tackle such adult topics with some grace and conduct they should be left alone.

But i will repeat these crimes are not a joke, and it would appear that gupt kaur is messing about. But, if as according to the web, there are some serious allegations along with proof, they should be followed. Any updates on this would be much appreciated teja webmaster.

Beyond this, if people did want to seriously discuss homosexuality amongst the warrior tradition, if done sensibly that would be better than the discussion that this thread has led to.

As far as i know/have read homosexuality was encouraged amongst the Spartans, who were said to be the most close knit and discliplined unit of soldiers in their day. Homosexuality between the fighters was said to be an aid in building that unit. Perhaps the historians can reveal wether this was something adopted in the asian subcontinent, and whether homosexuality amongst the nihangs was/is frowned upon or seen as a krehat etc? Is homosexuality amongst a large group of armed, testerone filled warriors e.g. nihang dals, inevitable or a sign of kaljug etc?

Firstly, its very ill advised to go around asking Nihangs about their sexual preferences. Whatever the case, they will rip you a new ass.

On a personal note, I have better things to do than start an investigation as to who is a homosexual and who isnt amongst the Nihangs. As long as I'm not asked on a date or touched up, and the homosexuals keep to themselves, its all good. Nihangs acknowledge the existance of small threads of homosexuality amongst the Nihang Dals - but as yet, village hangings and lenching of homosexuals and lesbians has not occured. This is because Nihangs, although vicious in some aspects, are also tolerant and compasionate beings :wink:

We are aware that certain people would love to think that the Nihangs of the UK are twinkies, because to them this would mean we are automatically 'lesser beings' - according to their 'Gursikh Grading System'. Perhaps these people should spend their precious time organising the next riot and writing out another death threat :roll:

Sexual preferences and attitudes are a result of time, space, circumstance and Guru Kirpa. God is in everyone - even homosexuals, bisexuals, transexuals and lesbians.

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