narinder

This is nothing but hearsay. There is no evidence, proof, etc. You need to stop believing what someone told and use Gurbani as a reference. Most taksalis say loads of things, they should only be taken with a pinch of salt. I notice how Narsingha again only wants his agenda, and keeps keeping away from the essential questions. You still all just talk of this person said, and that person did that. Guru Arjan Dev ji was a master of music, just like everything else he did. He created some of his own raags, he was so good. He knew everything. If raagmala is bani, how did he manage get the raags mixed up. He did not make any mistakes. That is why he was the Guru. How come some raags are in raagmala, and not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, others not. You state Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote raagmala. I challenge Narsingha, and any other nihang to provide any prove whatsoever where it clearly proves raagmala was written by Guru Arjan dev Ji?

lalleshvari I find your views strange and very anti-gurmat. I do not want to predjudice you. so may I ask what you back ground is?

Narsingha seems to be going into overdrive with his manipulation. Your options are silly, you say only accept 100% of Sontokh singh or none. Do you nihangs accept everywhere in Bani, there are quotes against narcotics? Yet you still claim to be sikhs and have Cannabis. Taksal use Sontokhs singh writings for teaching katha, but do not accept his conclusions on raagmala. So you ask akj to choose, You choose, Guru Ji or narcotics, Taksaal choose Sontokh singh writings or raagmala? This is so silly, Narsingha typical intoxicated logic. The reality is about Bani. Many groups of which one is AKJ accept that the raags used in the Guru Granth Sahib and raagmala, do not correspond. Some are in, others not. Some raags in raagmala, are not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. These Gursikhs all state it is impossible for Guru Ji to make a mistake. I agree. Guru knew everything. So why are raags mixed up. Which is why I state again, who cares who believed in it or not, it is about what is in it. You state this birs has it in, just as many don`t. Alot of birs have also been burned by pro-raagmalias. The fact is Guru ji can never make a mistake, so raagmala is questionable as it is not the correct. Nihangs say AKJ questions Guru Ji. This is completely false. They, Sikh Missionary, and many other Panthic Scholars question the content of it. Any average sikhs would ask, is it not nihangs who question Guru ji, when they drink narcotics. Mod's Note: No Personal Attacks please!! Prove your point!!!

Why is it everyone who has commented on this is only intersted in akj, taksal or nihang. It seems more like a nihang and taksaal gang up on Bhai Randhir Singh and akj. A debate on raagmala should be about what it actually says? Not who actually believes in it or not. This issue is very old in the Panth. Maha Kavi Bhai Sontokh Singh ji wrote against raagmala. Gurbilas 6th was in favour. This debate has been going on in Panth well before British, Bhai Randhir Singh, Baba Gurbachan Singh Bindra jatha, etc. They just presented opinions. Singh Sabha movement, the Akal takht all had views. Mainly against. So why care who is pro and who is against. I am undecided. Lets just look at what is actually written in it.