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This is about more than oil now, especially as countries like Saudi, the States, Russia and Iran are selling it for historic lows - global price heading to under $30 a barrel.

This is more to do with the collapse of 'Pax Americana' and the fallout from various world players learning to flex their muscles without being held to account by the 'world policeman'. It was only a matter of time before the toffs in the UK had set this country on the path to class apartheid of Victorian levels they would want a foreign adventure too. Looks like this whole Syria thing is turning into a clash of 'civilisations' now though.

I also think it has something to do with the other NATO members not being too happy with the proxy war some of their members are fighting with Russia in Syria and how willing some of them are to shoot down their planes or supply Al-Qaeda etc. The British government doesnt seem to have any qualms about bombing ISIS on one hand and supporting the Saudis and other terrorists in their actions against the legitimate ogvernment of Syria on the other.

Putin seems to know what he's doing though. Making sure his ally stays in the fight and giving ISIS the kind of hammering the RAF wish they could inflict. A massive contrast to how Britian ditched Gaddafi a few years ago and Saddam Hussein back in the 90s. Seeing as ISIS are telling people to head to Libya or the Sinai now instead of Syria, it looks like the war will go on for a long time especially as the West now has very few friends in the region.

Well here we go again. Bit pointless starting to drop bombs as the Sunni genie has been let out of the bottle a long time ago and is spreading across the Middle East and North Africa now. When the Kurds and Yazidis descend on Raqqa for the bloodbath of the century (so far) expect more Sunni retaliation. Anyone still think this will end well?

I think Cameron would do anything to shift the paedo/pigloving scandals under the carpet. What's noticeable though is NATO's response in all this. After what happened in Paris I expected more of them to want to do something about Daesh but they've all gone quiet apart from Britain.

Bad time to be a shifty looking person in East Punjab.

Not surprising, that guy is a complete fruit loop. The whole Sikh Taliban thing when Sikhs have been hounded out of Afghanistan and he has said nothing just shows how detached from reality he is.

Still a lot of work to do, there is always more we can be doing. We also have to be vigilant that all this effort to protect and empower our people isnt derailed into silliness or apathy as it has done so many times in the past.

This Rajput needs his own thread where the mods can dump all his posts. Just an idea.

No I dont, the world is far more complicated than the simple pendu way you see things.

I find it sickening that you have to make such emotional self righteous capital out of the suffering of the Yazidis, simply telling them they should have gone and joined Saddam's army and letting them get slaughtered now. Where could they go? What could they do? You have glazed over all my points and backed yourself into a corner, what have all the Sunni tribes in Iraq who were part of Saddam's army do? They got slaughtered just like the Yazidis.

You can sit in the West chatting crap whilst people die, but lets face it what would you say if Pakistan descended into chaos and large numbers of terrorists started pouring into East Punjab?

Ramadan finished a few days after the Radcliffe award (14th August) was announced and yet these Muslim convoys were still badly led and badly organised into late September. The fact was that majority of the Punjabi Muslims who were in the military were from areas of West Punjab. The leaders of the Jathas were for the most part ex-soldiers who had joined paramilitary organisations under the Akali Dal. There might have been Sikhs from the Sikh states organising some convoys but from the ones that came from the canal colonies especially ones whose members I have talked to which came from Khanewal in Multan which was a canal colony area, these convoys were led by ex-soldiers. These ex-soldiers would know how to select defensible positions for the convoys to rest, have knowledge of organising reconnaissance, organise food rations etc. 

No it ran through most of the violence. It's why the Sikh militias in East Punjab border could go on rescues/punishment raids into West Punjab whilst the muslims didnt try anything similar into East Punjab.

The militias were set up and supplied by the militaries of East Punjab or by smart individuals at a local level. The Akali Dal couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. The British Army never taught the rubbish you are on about. The British Armed forces used motor vehicles to transport supplies in theatre and most convoy support revolved around the use of air power. How on earth you can translate all that to SIkhs on horses and using carts is getting ludicrous.

Can you actually provide any sources that have categorically and statistically verified that Sikhs were better at organising convoys? You have some anecdotal evidence, great, my family come from the border region and the refugees they had to deal with were dishevelled, ill and shocked at loosing their homes and their birthright. They werent some cowboys who blazed a trail eastwards like 19th century Yanks in those John Wayne movies you probably watched growing up in the 60s.

Churchill was in no position to offer anything as he was out of power and Attlee was making the decisions. Churchill had already given his consent to the Independence of India. Had Churchill felt so strongly about giving the Sikhs a state, Baldev Singh was not the only Sikh he could have dealt with. Churchill could have used his sources in India to liaise with Master Tara Singh or Gyani Kartar Singh or others. 

He had been waiting for a while to get a Sikh leader on his own and when he did go out of his way he had his offer turned down. What did you want Churchill to do? Chase after Baldev Singh and beg him to do what was good for his own people? Not everyone responds that way to a blunt refusal and being talked down to- just Sikhs. Churchill could have been a valuable go between for us with the British Government, the British Armed Forces and the Americans - but we turned him down even when he tried taking a Sikh leader under his wing for a while and introducing him to people who could have given Sikhs their own country. Would the other SIkh leaders been any different? Biggest pack of morons ever.

It wasn't a small brigade of Jews. The Jews had better support than the Sikhs could ever hope for.. For one they had contacts in the White House which influenced Truman to support the partition plan. They also used their money power to bribe the smaller countries to vote for the partition plan. But the most important difference between the Jewish and the Sikh situations were that the Jews were able to get the world community to gift them an area of land in which they were a minority and of which they had only 10% of the land. There is a big difference between defending and retaining a country which has been recognised by the world community and fighting for a land which has already been split between two states. Whatever the precariousness of the governments of  both India and Pakistan it would have been a much harder struggle for the Sikhs than the 1948 war was for the Jews. For one both governments had hundreds of thousands of troops at their disposal. The Pakistan government had managed to retain the services of British generals. Do you think the Sikhs with their ex-soldiers and the troops from the Sikh states have managed to fight with one of both governments to keep hold of areas that the partition line had robbed them of? As for Haifa, it was a NOT predominantly an Arab city. It was one of the ports where the refugees ships docked and by 1947 the Jews outnumbered the Arabs there. If the Sikhs had the same population advantage in Lahore as the Jews did in Haifa then Lahore would have had a different future than it had since 1947. Sikhs were less than 10% and the Muslims 64%. The Hindus had pretty much abandoned the city a month before the partition boundary was announced. So do you expect that 10% can hold a city against 64%? This might happen in the 18th century but we are discussing the 20th century.

More excuses. No wonder Sikhs didnt get their own country if they expect it to be served on a plate to them. No one gifted them anything, the Jews werent brainless dogs who sat around watching the world go past until someone decides to give them a kicking. They planned for and took what they wanted. Again, why did we allow ourselves to get in the position where we contemplated our future all of a sudden when two different governments with no interest in our welfare were tearing up our homeland? Answer that and you might find out the real reason Jews got their own country.

So what if Pakistan had British generals? The same generals who refused to get involved in the Kashmir conflict even under direct orders from Jinnah? And what would it mattered if Sikh ex-soldiers had faced off against their former generals and officers? You were encouraging the Yazidis to do the exact same thing when you said they should have joined Saddam's army back in the day to now face ISIS who are run by a lot of Saddam's former generals and officers.

Haifa was predominantly Arab up until 1947 when the Jews started strongarming them out. In one battle the Jews managed to kick out over 50% of a city because they wanted to. You can throw around percentages but it just masks the fact Sikhs had been neutered by the Brits. Why could it be done in the 18th and not the 20th - not even with all those shiny automatic weapons the former Sikh soldiers had?

I asked for a reference that the Sikh leadership had agreed to the Jathas being bombed from the air. You have just given some reference that Mountbatten had such a plan. Where is you proof that the Sikh leadership approved of it?

All 3 main leaders signed the authorisation for Britain to use air power against agitators during independence. Sikh leaders never said anything when our lot were being killed, but when trains started rolling into West Punjab full of dead muslims, Jinnah complained to Mountbatten and he scolded the Sikh leadership who said they stood by the use of force against violent agitators. The RAF/IAF couldnt spare the planes to even patrol the railways let alone bomb suspected villages so Mountbatten gave up. Its all in his correspondence in the Mountbatten files. I know Sikhs like you are used to being spoonfed but if you want to stay ignorant I'll still sleep easy at night.

So you support the belief that some people are more martial then other? The British also conquered most of India and the Punjab with regiments made up of Bhayyas. The Pathans and Baloch as well as Muslim Rajputs were considered at par with the Sikh soldiers. Jinnah could have supplied the British with twice the number of Punjabi Muslims to replace the Sikhs. This was why the Sikh leadership broke with the Congress and supported the war effort. As for VCs, I can see numbers are not your strong point but the Gurkhas who are recruited from a few particular tribes in Nepal and thus are smaller in number than the Sikhs have had more VCs (10: 5) than Sikhs up to 1947. The fact is that had not the Sikhs taken the opportunity to join the British army then another group would have done and the Sikhs would have been in a worst position in 1947. 

I support the idea that some people are more mental others. Sikhs havent been martial since 1849. They have been cannon fodder though.

As for maths, I can tell you that I have better qualifications in it than you or ilk could ever hope for. I see English isnt your strong point as I was referencing Sikh deeds in WW1, we all know Sikh effort towards WW2 wasnt anywhere near the same level. But nice try at trying to confuse a point.

If the Brits werent bothered by who they recruited why did they put so much effort into brainwashing SIkh kids into loving Britannia and hating Britain's enemies, pay community and religous leaders in the Sikh community on commission for recruits and good old fashioned pressganging?

The problems with Pathans and Balochs is that they were considered more capable of independent thought than Sikhs, who were more useful as they blindly followed and were a bit woggish. Isnt this trip through 1930s British racial stereotyping fun?!

Your contention would make sense if the Sikhs in the army at that time suddenly refused to fight, that would have affected the British war effort. If you that think that the British could not have replaced the Sikhs with another community then you are deluded. 

If they refused to fight they would have been in massive shit far away from anywhere that they use to their advantage. The British could have replaced us, but they never did, for what kind of rupert wants to go into combat with a bunch of self-serving muslims or useless Hindus? Their thoughts, not mine.

Yes I do. If we had the brains and balls to get our own country, we might have actually felt the need to look after it. Nepal has never been a major country, like Punjab was.

Moving to First world nation is more of result of aping what others did and upgrading your lifestyle, get as much luxuries as you could the sikhs that moved to west in early 20th century or 50s or 60s came back with money and much better lifestyle. It is natural for people to ape them and try to get lifestyle which they have no matter what work they have to do.

So Sikhs are nothing more than a cargo cult now? Great. If aping what people did in the 60s is such a great idea, why dont some Sikhs in EP invent the telephone - I heard the guy who did that ended up filthy rich. Or maybe the people there should set up companies called 'Apple' or 'Microsoft' because those companies ended up rich didnt they? lol.

As far Israel is concerned it is one exception . It did get much benefit due to holocaust . West Germany paid 3 billion DM which is equivelant to 112 billion USD today from 52-66 and also plenty of aid from west. there are 100s of nation in world and most of them facing similar problem, hardly anyone is like Israel . Either jews are superhuman or truth lies in something else

I've heard the saying 'every silver cloud has a silver lining' but I dont think that quite translates to getting benefits out of something as mad as the Holocaust. West Germany's payments were paid as they had been let off the hook for a lot of reperations and the fact that the Jews had gone and got their own country. Do you think the West Germans would have still paid it out if the Arabs and Brits had pushed the Jews into the sea? Face it, the Jews achieved what they wanted because they werent stupid, they worked together and they fought hard. Nothing superhuman about that.

Yes, the Jews who were gassed and cremated magically managed to resurrect themselves, fly over to Palestine and beat up the Arabs and Brits. That's exactly what happened.

Amazingly, tying their fortunes to the Polish, Russian, British or Unites States armies didnt work out for the average Jews in Eastern Europe. The White Paper from Britain limited Jewish migration to Palestine in 1939 to 75,000 a year. Well done to Britain, in one fell swoop they condemned millions to their deaths. These were the same people we let play God over us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

As for getting themselves recognised, so what? They're not crybabies who whine that all their allies are trying to screw them over like we Sikhs do. If the Khalsa stopped crying and pointing at others saying they've got it easy, maybe just maybe they might achieve something. Otherwise keep crying, the Jews wont care what you say, they've got their own country and no one messes with them. You wont see Israeli women leaving their homes to work in the sex industry in Europe or Israeli men working as brickies in Mullahland or Anglostan. Turn that bitterness and resentment around and use it for something constructive.

If you dont ask you dont get, but if you just do it chances are you'll get it. Why dont you think they did it themselves? Wasnt that place set up by a Sindhi?

Well it was theirs wasnt it? They wanted it, they worked towards it without making it obvious and before anyone could stop them they had it.

@JungChamkaur Have you learnt how to wash your hands yet?

But there numbers were diminishing, what matter is it how that comes about?

There was no mass sympathy for the Jews after WW2, most reports of the Holocaust were written in the media and not exactly harrowing. It was only with the trials and war criminal hunts along with video documentaries in the 50s and 60s that changed world opinion. Stop backdating how things are today to back then, the Jews fought hard for what they had because they had the balls to take what they wanted, not expect it to be handed to them like children.

Hang on a minute you were talking about modern weapons earlier and the training in how to use them, now you're saying it's to do with military tactics. So what military tactics are you on about that the Sikhs learned and that the Yazidis could have made use of?

You glossed over the fact that a lot of the Sikh convoys from West Punjab were more organised and travelled in formation with armed guards compared to the Muslim convoys which were disorganised and open to attack. The only ones which were organised would have been ones which contained former soldiers from Punjabi Muslim regiments recruited from East Punjab.

The muslim convoys were badly organised as it was Ramadan and they tended to bring all their livestock with them for some reason. Sikhs travelling westwards werent so stupid to fast or bring cattle, and their armed guards tended to be cavalry militia from East Punjab many of whom were armed with swords/lances - not all had firearms. They were co-ordinated by havildars from the independent states. Stop trying to sound quasi-scientific in your assertation that it took some kind of military training to help deal with these kinds of situations. I dont remember the British Army issuing pamphlets to their troops on how to fight your way out of hordes of angry muslims. 

I did not say that the Yazidis would have been able to defeat ISIS but between the option of fighting back and taking some of your oppressors with you or meekly submitting to having your women raped and become sex slaves.. which option is the better one?

Well in the binary world Sikhs like you live in there is only option but in reality being in Saddam's army could have caused all sorts of problems and been absolutely no guarantee that they wouldnt have been steamrolled by ISIS like the Sunni tribes have.

The Kurds have been able to take on IS because they have a military tradition outside of the Iraqi army namely as a rebel force which has a history of having rebelled against the governments of the three states that they reside in. 

And it was our own Sikh military traditions that allowed us to kill so many muslims, not British infantry squad tactics.

There is no record of any offer of a Sikh state either from Churchill or any other British statesman. It;s fanciful to make such claims and the only offer of any substance which might have given the Sikh some autonomy was the one by Jinnah of an East Punjab as a unit in Pakistan equal to other units such as West Punjab and Sindh with the Sikhs having a role in the Pakistan army. There is no doubt that the Sikh leadership was outplayed by both the Hindu and Muslim politicians. The Sikh leadership should have had only one demand and that was a Sikh state. The nucleus of a Sikh state already existed in the from of Sikh states like Patiala. The Sikh leadership should have convinced the Sikh Maharajas to agree to a merger of their states by giving them some power or honorary status in the new Sikh state. Patiala Maharaja could have been made President etc. With this nucleus already in existence then the only matter left was to decide which districts of Punjab would be merged into the Sikh state. In the end the only option the British gave was for the Maharajas to agree to cede their states to either India or Pakistan. But if the Sikh Maharajas had argued that hey wanted to unite then there would not have been anything that the British could have done. Nehru had to struggle and threaten the Maharajas across India to give up on their scheme for becoming Independent rather than joining either India or Pakistan. The Sikh state union might even have led to a much more balkanised India with separate states made up of the former kingdoms.

Churchill tried to talk Baldev Singh into meeting the British cabinet and military leadership. He wanted to cut some weird deal where Sikhs got their own country and in return Sikhs would side with Britain in the Cold War and guarantee the sovereignty of Singapore with the deployment of two divisions there and emigration. It was in Churchill's memoirs and referenced by some other top brass back then but Baldev went and told Nehru who sweet talked him that India would offer Sikhs so much more...

Where did you get the idea that the Sikh leadership had agreed to the bombing of Jathas by the British? Some reference would be helpful. 

The Mountbatten Papers detail how there was indifference to the violence until Sikhs retaliated and trouble in villages would be bombed and fighter planes used to strafe groups moving towards railways.

With regard to the Jews, their situation was a lot better than the Sikhs. They had just been allocated over 50% of the land of Palestine with just 30% of the population and with Jews just owning about 10% of the land. Contrary to what you stated the Jews had made full use of the British army by having their own Jewish legion during the first world war and a Jewish Brigade in world war 2. I read that 35 members of the Jewish brigade became generals in the Israeli army. The Jews were members of the Palestine police as well. 

Your obsessed with percentages, but what you say is right. If Jews with a small brigade in the British Army were able to take over 50% of the land with less than 30% of the population then what excuses do Sikhs have for 1947? You havent explained why units completely independent of the British army like the Haganah and Irgun were able to face the British in Haifa and beat them in predominantly Arab city. What excuse do we have for losing for Lahore? Apart from the fact that Sikhs have accustomed to trying to save face rather than achieve real world results.

You state state the non-Sikh Indian army would not have achieved as much because of the non-participation of Sikhs. Let's be honest here, do you think that 200,000 Sikhs in an army of millions would not have been able to get replacements for these Sikhs. Jinnah was an avid supporter of the British war effort and he could easily have got even double the amount of Muslims recruited to replace the Sikhs. My contention is not that the Sikhs saved the British empire in both world wars but that the contribution by Sikhs at least made them more ready to face the Muslim onslaught as well as being made one of the three parties consulted on partition. If the leadership was unable to use this effectively doesn't make the contribution any less significant. How exactly would you have seen the partition play out had there been no Sikh participation in world war 2? 

Well Sikhs held as much of the Western Front in WW1 as the Belglian Army or US did when the war ended. Not bad for a colonised people. We won more Victoria Crosses per capita than any other nation including the four home nations. Before all that we were instrumental in a lot of Britain's wars in East Asia.

Jinnah could have offered millions of muslims but the British wouldnt have had them. You may like to peruse British Indian Army religous makeup figures in your spare time but it doesnt take a genius to see that the numbers fluctuated based on two things: Britain's own economic state and the nature of the wars she was fighting. In peace or poverty, the amount of overall troops would fall, in war the British would go out of their way to recruit Sikhs - including pressganging and bribing religous/political figures to produce a certain number of Sikhs for service...All the other stuff you say is neither here nor there if you cant even see basic statistical patterns or understand the reality of recruitment.

If there had been no SIkhs in the British Armed Forces and police it would have been even harder for them to keep the Axis out of Egypt, Burma and East Asia. WIthout control of those their own rule in India would have crumpled into a free for all, where soldiers stationed abroad would have languished in Japanese or Italian POW camps. In India it would have been left to those left there to forge their own path. Doesnt take a genius to see what would have happened.

For a moment can you stop oscillating between such binary extremes? Not everything is either 6th gear or neutral. It must be absolutely mental to see everything in such way.

Except they did that under their own steam, not under the noses of the Brits who were very keen to stamp on individualism and independent thought in their Sikh troops. Read some British army officers memoirs of WW1 and see how easily they wound up Sikh soldiers. British Indian Army training wasnt exactly a chance to 'be the best you can be', it reinforced class, caste and other prejudices that can be seen in all branches of their Armed Forces in those time periods, which in turn was a reflection of their own society.

@Tony

You have a very colloquial view of history and using that logic to draw analogies with the present is neither here nor there. If the Yazidis had joined Saddam's army and not been picked on they would still have suffered plenty dead in the Iran-Iraq War as well as both Gulf Wars. Trading all those men for a few weapons would have made no difference. The Sunni tribes, the Free Syrian Army, Syrian Arab Army, the Iraqi Army, Hezbollah and Shiah militias have all been fought to a standstill by ISIS. You still havent explained why military experience and guns would have helped the Yazidis if it hasnt helped any of the former? Secondly, and more importanly, no one saw what happened to the Yazidis coming. I bet no one here knew who they were until ISIS attacked them. Even if they had weapons, what difference would it have made if they had been caught with their pants down like we were at Partition? ISIS would still be raping their women and girls, they would just have more guns to add to their arsenal. Stop comparing apples and oranges.

Ironically the only force in the region who have held their own against ISIS are the Kurds...... do they have a proud history of serving in Saddam's army? Quite the opposite I'll think you'll find. Go ponder that.

Sikh leadership had plenty of options. Churchill offered us our own state and we turned him down to his face as we were happy with Congress. At the end of the day what kind of leaders take orders from others when they when they can just go and get what they want? Sikhs are reactionary, the violence of Partition came as a shock to all Sikhs, you have no evidence that our leaders premeditated what happened in East Punjab. When Sikhs started fighting back in East Punjab, Montbatten summoned the Sikh leaders who agreed to his plan to use air power to quell uprisings in East Punjab! Our leaders were docile, complacent and wholly spineless. On a side note, it's this very style of lazy, apathetic and uncaring leadership and attitude that encourages so many Sikh youth to tolerate abuse from outsiders in order to feel some sort of acceptance nowadays. They prefer it to the fear of having to grow up and turn into the domesticated turkeys they have for elders. If our leadership cant do better for us then they shouldnt be in charge. We came away from Partition with next to nothing. We still have nothing. Yet things keep getting worse.

I'll tell you what was unrealistic - sitting on your own hands for a hundred years. Seriously no one goes through that length of colonialism willingly unless they are retarded. I'm not talking about the ability to throw off the shackles of occupation, I'm talking about the absolute lack of will to change our situation. Most Sikhs werent worried about paying for levies, they happily accepted colonialim - for a chance to get balls deep in a memsahib when her husband was chasing little boys around Lahore bazaar or to go abroad and see the world looting or doing Britannia's 'good work'. If the Sikhs back then had done this for the Khalsa and Punjab Empire I could sort of understand, but to do it for someone else and then say that we were forced into it is a bit of a stretch.

The British in Palestine had no Jews in their army or police. Yet in 1948 at Haifa a few Jews took on thousands of Arabs who were backed up by British regulars and tanks. The Jews won. How? Because they wanted it more. They slaughtered the Arabs, fought house to house, killed Arab snipers with impunity. Then the British tanks came rolling in. Did the Irgun stand around like old women farting and discussing the merits of whether they could do anything about it or not like Sikhs would have? No, they ran into the buildings along the road that the British tanks were driving down and blew up the larger houses covering the tanks in rubble. They then ran towards the tanks and poured petrol into the visors and hatches trying to set the crew alight. When the Brits inside opened their tank hatches the Jews stabbed and beat them whilst others lit dynamite used for mining or molotov cocktails and threw them into tanks and forced the crew back in by shutting the hatches. Why did they fight so ferociously? Why didnt they just kill the Arabs in their vicinity and sit there saying 'I'm alright now'? They didnt wait for some outsider to show them the way, they had the will to act. Something Sikhs back in 1947 and to this day lack.

You still havent countered my earlier point that a predominantly non-Sikh Indian Army would have been able to acheive far less in both World Wars and put the British in the position where they may not have been able to call the shots on who got what. Or havent you wrapped your brain around the notion yet?

Using that same logic we should have just given up after the Ghalugharas too.

Maybe it's stupid to not fight for a future where you can raise your children as Sikhs.

Well let me spell it out for you. If the Yazidis did as you say, who do you think the Iraqi Army would have sent into the minefields without weapons like they did in the Iran-Iraq War when the predominantly Sunni Iraqi Army used those who werent like them as cannon fodder? During the First Gulf War, who do you think the Republican Guard would have forced to stay and face the American onslaught whilst they tried to run and hide from the USAF? You dont need to be a genius to know it would be the people referred to as Devil Worshippers by the Sunnis. Finally, with many former members of Saddam's army now part of ISIS what difference would have being in Saddam's army made? Look at the Sunni tribes in Anbar and Tikrit who have been practically wiped out by ISIS - where did being in Saddam's army get them? I hope this spells out my point that your analogy is terrible as the Yazidis were never a major political/military force in the previous century or former rulers of Iraq unlike SIkhs who were both in Punjab.

Patiala may have had a small army but it was functional. Germany had an army of 100,000 at one point and a few years later had control of most of Europe in that time period. The Israeli Defense Force and its predecessors was small yet they still won the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. What is your point? After Partition the Hindustanis deliberately minimised the role Sikhs play in the Armed Forces... looks like we played that martial race card so many times that our enemies saw it coming.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing. To say that what happened would have happened anyway is laughable. Speak to the generation who went through it and many of them felt there was nothing stopping the Muslims descending on East Punjab - that's why they started the reprisals to make sure that their backs were clear before the onslaught (that never came even if the British tried to help the muslims). You say that Sikhs had well armed convoys - well of course those who had weapons would have been well armed when they made their move eastwards. But plenty werent and many SIkhs died. The oh so mighty Sikhs who fought to save the world from Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan couldnt even save their own people when it came to it. The fact that rather than take destiny into our own hands and decide our own borders we waited for some four eyed anglo administrator to decide who could live where and which side of the border you had to get to shows how impotent the Khalsa was. Who the hell would listen to their former masters who were running away over the needs and lives of their own people? Dress it up how you want, not all of us crave acceptance and need a skewed worldview to support it.

As for what happened after 1849 we should have done what any normal people would have done. Planned to get back on top. Remilitarization. Waited for a time when our occupiers where engaged elsewhere. Not fought wars for them like utter prats. Your kind like to go on about how many Sikhs fought in the World Wars, yet you never talk about how many were killed, wounded or desensitized by what they went through. Face it, the British sold us a lie, we fell for it, they screwed us and walked away with everything whilst we were left to pick up the pieces. FFS Partition has negative effect to this day with the poverty and backwardness of East Punjab to issues with the Pakistani community in the Commonwealth, terrorism in South Asia and our own people's lack of a backbone due to knowing how far we have fallen. To dress it up as anything else makes you as bad as the BBC lefties who spin their rubbish about 1947.

Maybe the Yazidis should have joined Saddam's army back in the day to help them fight wars in the present. After all a lot of Saddam's top commanders and officer class who would have led the Yazidis (in a disastrous war with Iran and then the US in the 80s/90s) are now in charge of ISIS military operations. Then the Yazidis could be just like us, fighting for one group who in turn try and bring about their destruction in the next war. Because that's done us so well.......

You say that if it wasnt for the Sikhs in the Indian Army then the muslims would washed over us and taken all Punjab. But that's just your opinion. Some nutjobs say the reason EP stayed Sikh was the high prevalance of former INA/Tiger Legion soldiers there. I personally feel that it was down to one simple thing - East Punjab had two independant states who's militaries took the role in Partition that the Irgun/Haganah were doing in Palestine. They armed Sikhs with guns and the necessary ammunition, provided jeeps and trucks and were standoffish with the British occupiers enough so that they didnt go after the Sikh militias.

Your point also doesnt explain why Sikhs in West Punjab didnt survive, seeing as many of them had served in the British Armed Forces. Why didnt they prevent the muslims taking over? Before you go off on one detailing the number of jatts/chamars in the Indian Army was higher in the Doaba/Majha/whatever region, take a step back. A long time ago, a great man said all who take refuge under the Nishan Sahib would be protected by the Khalsa. 100 years before Partition if a Sikh village was under threat from muslims they would send someone to their local FaujiQilajat garrison. Within days thousands of Sikh regulars and militias would be in the area ensuring the rule of law and Sikh values as laid out by our Gurus - as well as knocking some muslims about. Yet for many of our grandparents, the Nishan Sahib wasnt a symbol of protection and strength - it was a target that drew the monsters to the door. Have you ever asked yourself why?

I'll tell you why - the British demilitarised Punjab and made sure Sikhs were exposed so that in future they could finish us off when we were no longer useful. They tore down the walls around our villages, filled in our defensive ditches, confiscated all weapons in every household and took any books that would mentally arm Sikhs with any kind of foresight. If anything, Partition was a continuation of the Second Anglo-Sikh War; during that war the British flooded West Punjab with hundreds of political agents, weapons and money. They turned a mass of people who had been forced to live nicely with others back into the savages they were under the Mughals. After the defeat of one legion at Gujrat I believe that if we hadnt agreed terms the British would have encouraged the muslims hordes to head towards Lahore/Amritsar. It suited them to stop the war then, but when it suited them to finish us off they didnt waste any time. Why was there such a large British military presence around Amritsar? Why do you never ever hear of any account of British troops helping Sikh or Hindu refugees from West Punjab get to safety, yet the British poured troops and weapons into East Punjab to help muslim refugees get through? 

Face it, the muslims and brits pulled a fast one and you lot are still trying to get your heads round it. 70 years later. I hope you still dont think that Guru Nanak prophecised that Britannia and the Khalsa would rule the world together? If we had let the British fight their own wars they wouldnt have been in a position to tear Punjab apart...

Eugh, another BBC programme about Partition and another chance to drag out the same old hashed out story of Sikh patriarchs killing their daughters who would have preffered to be raped, tortured and forced to produce more terror tots than die with dignity according to the BBC. I think we need to write letters to the BBC letting them know that even though cuckoldry is common amongst Englishman (and Sunny Hundal) not everyone would enjoy watching their daughters get gang-raped by random men, even though this is something that is a cornerstone of English culture. Surely the British sense of tolerance that we hear so much about could stretch to accomodate those of us who dont indulge in that sort of thing?

If you believed the BBC you'd end up believing that Muslims killed no one and the Sikhs were responsible for all the violence - including killing their own. Outside of BBC-La-La-Land we all knew that Britain gave Jinah the nod to go ahead and when it didnt work Montbatten tried to getting the RAF to carpet bomb Sikh towns and villages. When the RAF couldnt do it he wanted the British Army to force Sikhs onto cattle trains and deport them to central India. Seeing as the British forces were having a hard enough time in Amritsar even with tanks against civilians the plan was dropped. No wonder the Irgun over in Palestine hung as many Brits as they could get their hands on.

As for Anita Rai crying over the women not having a say, it's not like they had a lot of good options anyway. I'm surprised Nihal hasnt done a radio show about with a phone in to capitalise on slagging off Sikhs.

Bit hard to do that when the UK media are accusing Russia of bombing 'moderates' like Jabat Al Nusra also know as Al-Qaeda in Syria. They're the good guys according to the establishment.

Even with Badal's blackout on bad news, it is clear most of the drugs the idiots back in EP like to take are being sent over by our oldest enemy. Now they are trying to get it over here to. Sikhs in the UK need to do more to be aware of people like her trying to get younger working class Sikhs addicted to drugs sold by predominantly muslims gangs.

Well after reading the million man -v- forty Chamkaur and the Sunny Hundal thread it struck me that a few of the old hairy fairy types had been given free rein, so I decided to drop a few reality bomb type threads to see if they had anything to say. You know that these emus like to revert to type unless forced otherwise.

As I find some interesting stuff I'll post it, like Amarpal Singh Sidhu's book about the Second Anglo-Sikh War which should be out soon. Otherwise I'll just end up like everyone else arguing all the time in random threads.....aint nobody got time for that.

Massive stash imported from Pakistan found on airport carousel

 

A drugs kingpin has been jailed for 12 years for trying to smuggle £1.9 million-worth of high-grade heroin into Britain inside a chapati oven.

Kulwinder El Assad, 40, of Beaumont Close, Tipton, played a key role in sourcing the drug in Pakistan.

The plot was smashed when Border Force officials found almost 13 kilos of heroin inside the oven when they opened an unclaimed package on an airport luggage carousel.

El Assad was arrested when she turned up at Leeds Bradford Airport with accomplice Mohammed Aslam Khan to collect the parcel in March last year.

She was convicted of conspiring to import Class A drugs at Leeds Crown Court after a four-day trial.

Khan, 61, of Ashton-Under-Lyne, Greater Manchester, and a third gang member, Arbab Akhtar, 29, of Blackburn, Lancashire, were jailed for eight and six years respectively.

Both earlier admitted the same charge.

Khan, who arrived on the same Islamabad flight as the parcel, claimed he travelled to Pakistan to visit a dying relative.

El Assad told officers she didn’t know Khan and was a paid escort.

But investigators linked the trio to the scam through phone and CCTV analysis.

They found Khan’s ticket for the trip was bought and paid for by Akhtar, who was later arrested at Manchester Airport as he himself returned from Pakistan.

Akhtar was in contact with Khan’s phone and a number in Pakistan which was also found on El Assad’s mobile.

The sentences were welcomed by National Crime Agency senior investigating officer Mick Maloney.

He said: “These three individuals were involved in an international conspiracy to source class A drugs worth almost £2 million and bring them back to the UK.

“I’ve no doubt that, had they not been stopped, the heroin would have ended up being sold on UK streets.

“A lot of work had gone into this concealment which tells me they were part of a professional drug trafficking crime network.

“All three played key roles.

“El Assad was in touch with those they sourced the drugs from in Pakistan.

“Akhtar was the logistics man who made all the travel arrangements and was in regular contact with the others, while Khan was the courier.

“Working with Border Force and other law enforcement colleagues the NCA is determined to target and disrupt criminal groups involved in drug trafficking.”

Mark Robinson, assistant director for Border Force Yorkshire and Humber, said: “This case sends a strong message to the criminal gangs involved in drug smuggling.

“Border Force officers are on the front line to stop harmful substances like heroin making it into the UK and damaging our communities.

“We use a range of high-tech search equipment to detect illicit goods and counter the tactics used by criminals.

“As this investigation demonstrates, we work closely with the NCA to disrupt drug traffickers and put those responsible behind bars.”

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/kulwinder-el-assad-jailed-over-10185122#ICID=FB-Birm-main

• Iqbal Ali used threats and violence to force women to become sex slaves
• He poured scalding hot water over one victim and strangled her with a belt
• Another was forced to stand in window with 'slut' written on her stomach
• Ali, 33, scared his victims into staying by telling them he knew killers

A 'violent and evil' man who condemned a harem of lovers to an ordeal of control, rape and torture as part of a 14-year campaign to 'sleep with as many women as possible' has been jailed for life. 

Iqbal Ali, 33, forced four women to become his personal sex slaves - subjecting them to beatings, physical punishments and public humiliation if they were seen to disobey his strict rules.

He made two of his victims live with him at his home in Oldham, Greater Manchester, where they were subject to 24-hour monitoring and wore electronic devices to record their conversations.

One of the women, a teaching assistant, was forced to burn her hands on the hob, and choked with a belt until she fell unconscious. 

The other woman, with whom Ali had a son, was made to stand partially-naked at the window with the word 'slut' scrawled across her stomach after Ali suspected her of flirting with other men. 

He scared the women into staying by telling them he associated with people who killed, and threatened to hurt their families. 

Ali was only caught when the teaching assistant received hospital treatment for severe neck injuries after collapsing in a pharmacy.

Officers found sickening images of the woman's wounds on Ali's phone and were later able to trace the other women. 

Ali was found guilty of 25 offences including four of rape, two of indecent assault, and two of possession of an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence.

He was today sentenced to life in prison at Minshull Crown Court, Manchester. He will serve a minimum of 16 years and six months before being considered for parole.

The teaching assistant began dating Ali in 2007, the court heard.

David Toal, prosecuting, said she had been burned by scalding water, forced to place her hands on an oven ring on full-heat, and choked with a belt to the point of unconsciousness.

On occasions she was forced to kneel in front of a mirror while he throttled her and he dropped heavy weights on her feet. 

She was also tied naked to a wardrobe for hours and beaten if she made a sound. 

Ali also handcuffed her took her wages to pay off his credit card debts and demanded she constantly text him about her movements whenever she left the house.

He would throw out items of sentimental value if she displeased him - and even cut up a Teddy Bear that belonged to her mother. 

She was also ordered to sit on a sofa for hours in front of a video camera with an instruction not to move until Ali returned home. 

He then insisted on playing back the recorded footage to ensure she had not disobeyed him. 

     "He wanted to sleep with her. He wanted to sleep with as many women as possible. He would have hurt me if I ruined his chances"

     One victim

When she went for a job interview, he made her wear a miniature video camera disguised as a button. He later accused her of showing too much interest in a male applicant.

He forced her to fake illness and take sick leave from the school where she worked because he became jealous and angry that she had been speaking to a male teacher. 

He insisted she attached headphones to her mobile so he could listen in to any conversations she had on the way to and from work. 

Colleagues recalled how she would turn up for work with bruises on her face for which she gave differing explanations.

She always wore trousers and long-sleeved tops and always seemed in a 'massive hurry' to get away at the end of her school day.

Some time into the relationship, Ali told the woman that he already had a girlfriend and a young son and said they were all moving in together.

The teaching assistant slept on a mattress on the floor while the other woman - who was led to believe the other was a hired, live-in baby sitter - had her own room.

The second woman, who had a son with Ali, described how she was forced to climb into a wardrobe where he put a gun in her mouth and told her he would pull the trigger if she didn't do as he said. 

He also hit her with a pair of boots with steel toecaps, which he wore on his hands like boxing gloves.

After accusing her of showing interest in other men, he made her stand partially clothed at their bedroom window while he scrawled the word 'slut' across her chest and stomach. 

The woman said Ali punched her in the stomach while she was seven months pregnant leaving her terrified she might have lost the baby. 

She said she tried to leave him, but he threatened her family. He told victim that he tortured people as part of his job and had murdered people.

    "All of them felt trapped once they got into a relationship with you.This is one of the most serious cases of offending that I have come across. There has not been any expression of remorse on your part.You are a dangerous man"

Judge Mushtaq Khokar 

The teaching assistant said Ali also encouraged her to befriend another young woman she had met on a bus so that he could seduce her. 

She said: 'He wanted to sleep with her. He wanted to sleep with as many women as possible. He would have hurt me if I ruined his chances.' 

The police investigation started after the teaching assistant began suffering breathing difficulties while in a local pharmacy. 

She was taken to Wythenshawe Hospital and underwent emergency treatment for a string of injuries including a fractured larynx, a perforation of the throat and a serious chest infection which a doctor concluded was caused by attempted strangulation.

At first the woman lied about how she had sustained the injuries, but eventually broke down and described to police how Ali subjected her to prolonged physical, psychological and sexual abuse. 

Ali was found guilty of 25 offences including 13 counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, four of rape, two of inflicting grievous bodily harm with intent, two of indecent assault, two of common assault, and two of possession of an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence.

He denied all charges. 

Sentencing, Judge Mushtaq Khokar said: 'In all of the cases there was extreme control imposed upon these women, what they did, who they spoke to, what they wore, where they worked and the rest. All this was made possible because they were told that you associated with people who killed. 

'They were made to send you texts and even had to stay on the phone so you could hear whether they spoke to another male or not.

'You deliberately isolated them from their family and friends, maybe because if they did speak to them you would not have the sort of control that you did. 

'One finds it very difficult to understand as to why someone in a relationship would put his partner through that. One of the victims used the word torture. 

'All of them felt trapped once they got into a relationship with you.

'This is one of the most serious cases of offending that I have come across. There has not been any expression of remorse on your part. You are a dangerous man.'

After the case Detective Chief Inspector Paul Parker of Greater Manchester Police said: 'Iqbal Ali is a sorry excuse for a man and without question one of the most heinous individuals I have had the misfortune of dealing with as a police officer. 

'The level of control and violence that Ali has used against his victims spanning a period of 14 years has shocked even experienced detectives.

'Iqbal is a calculated, violent and evil man, who has identified vulnerable young ladies and used them for his sexual gratification, financial gain and psychological control.' 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131833/Man-condemned-harem-sex-slaves-ordeal-control-rape-torture-evil-14-year-campaign-sleep-women-possible.html

• Lisa Borch became obsessed with Islam after going out with older Muslims
• Spent hours on YouTube watching the savage decapitations of David Haines and Alan Henning with boyfriend Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29
• Pair hatched a plan to brutally kill Tina Römer Holtegaard at her home
• They stabbed her at least 20 times, with Borch calmly waiting for the police

A blonde Danish teenager who murdered her mother after watching ISIS' sickening filmed beheadings of British hostages has been jailed along with her older jihadi lover.

Lisa Borch was aged only 15 when in October last year she spent hours on YouTube watching footage of the savage decapitations of David Haines and Alan Henning.

Afterwards she and her radical Muslim boyfriend Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29, took a long-bladed kitchen knife and stabbed her mother Tina Römer Holtegaard at least 20 times at the home they shared in rural Kvissel.

Killer: Danish teenager Lisa Borch (pictured left and right) was aged only 15 when in October last year she spent hours on YouTube watching footage of the savage decapitations of David Haines and Alan Henning  Brainwashed: The court heard how Borch (pictured) became obsessed with militant Islam after falling in love with a unnamed Muslim

Tina Römer Holtegaard was stabbed at least 20 times at the home she shared with her daughter in Kvissel

A court which sentenced Borch to nine years in jail heard how she became obsessed with militant Islam after falling in love with an unnamed Muslim man. 

But he jilted her when he moved back to Sweden to be with his wife and children.

Nevertheless she found a new soulmate in Iraq-born Abdulla, whom she befriended after meeting at a refugee centre near her home.

Following the brutal murder, in which both Borch and Abdulla participated, the teenager called police claiming: 'I heard my mother scream and I looked out the window and saw a white man running away. Please come here, there is blood everywhere.'

On arrival police found Mrs Holtegaard, whose husband was away on a short business trip at the time of her murder, covered in her own blood in bed.

Despite making the frantic phone call, the victim's daughter was discovered sitting on a chair in the living room playing with her iPhone and watching videos on YouTube. When police asked where her mother was, Borch refused to leave her computer and simply pointed upstairs.

 

Lisa Borch and her radical Muslim, Iraqi-born boyfriend Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29, (pictured left and right) took a long-bladed kitchen knife and stabbed her mother Tina Römer Holtegaard at least 20 times

Influenced: A court which sentenced Borch to nine years in jail heard how she became obsessed with militant Islam after falling in love with an unnamed Muslim man. She later met Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla   

A later police examination of the computer showed that she had watched endless repeats of the beheadings of the two Britons, both of whom had gone to Syria on humanitarian missions.

'She watched them the whole evening long,' said prosecutors at her trial. When police first arrived at the house she didn't leave the computer and merely pointed upstairs to indicate where her mother lay dead. It was this apparent disinterest which made her prime suspect in a matter of minutes.

The court heard that Borch's twin sister had recently moved out of the family home because she couldn't stand the constant arguing that went on between her mother and sister.

Prosecutors said it was this 'endless rowing which cost the mother her life.'

The court was told that Borch had teamed up with Abdulla after being dumped by her first lover. The two planned to flee together to Syria and fight for the ISIS cause. 

Borch claimed at the trial that they were 'just good friends' but authorities believe they were lovers. 

The rows with her mother intensified as she pressured her daughter to break off her relationship with him and 'live the life of a normal teenager.' 

Prosecutor Karina Skou told the court that the pair made a diabolical pact to kill her mother saying: 'This murder was cold blooded, ice cold and committed in a bestial manner.' 

Borch even showed her twin sister the knife she planned to use to kill their mother, but the comment was incorrectly written off a macabre joke.

A police examination of Borch's computer showed that the teenager had watched endless repeats of the beheadings carried out by Mohammed Emwazi - the British ISIS executioner better known as Jihadi John

Borch and her radical Muslim boyfriend Bakhtiar Mohammed Abdulla, 29, took a long-bladed kitchen knife and stabbed Tina Römer Holtegaard at least 20 times at the home they shared in rural Kvissel [file image]

In court Borch and Abdulla blamed one another for the killing of Mrs Holtegaard.

He claimed to have only arrived to 'help Lisa' after the teenager had already killed her mother. But Borch said Abdulla had actually been the knifeman.

The muddled version of events meant the court heard several stories about what actually happened.

Although Abdulla was no longer at the property when police arrived, investigators found his fingerprints in the victim's bedroom.

Although it couldn't be established who'd actually delivered the blows that killed Mrs Holtegaard, both of the accused were found guilty of murder.

Borch was sentenced to nine years in prison, the first of which will be spent in a youth offenders institute.

Abdulla received 13 years and will be expelled from Denmark when his sentence is up. 

Both were ordered to pay around £40,000 in compensation to Mrs. Holtergaard's husband - Borch's stepfather - as well as her twin sister and a younger brother.

Borch's twin was in court to see her sister sentenced but did not look at her during the trial.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235062/Blonde-Danish-teenager-15-murdered-mother-kitchen-knife-watching-ISIS-videos-beheading-British-hostages-online.html

• Teacher asked young pupils to write letters to specific ISIS jihadis in Syria
• Described the recipients as 'diamonds', 'role models' and 'our brothers'
• Images shared online by unknown woman who keeps her identity hidden
• She has previously posted terrorist propaganda and share beheading pics 

 

A teacher working in a British classroom had pupils send handwritten letters to 'hero' Syrian terrorists.

The decorative notes - which include drawings and finger-paintings - were addressed to Al Qaeda affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra fighters.

The children described their planned recipients as 'diamonds', 'role models' and 'brothers'.

It is not known at which school they were written, but are thought to have been penned under the persuasion of the unidentified class teacher.

The decorative notes - which include drawings and finger-paintings - were addressed to Jabhat al-Nusra fighters and described their planned recipients as 'diamonds', 'role models' and 'brothers'

 

The pupils were forced to write in both English and Arabic, opening each of their notes: 'To our brothers in...'

Images of the letters were shared on Twitter by a woman using the handle @irhabiyya_18, which translates to 'terrorist_18'.

Keeping her identity hidden by choosing not to display her own photograph in her profile picture, the unknown woman uses her social media account to promote the jihad.

 

This letter - described by the teacher as being her favourte - has a green hilly scene drawn in crayon with a black flag of Tawheed flying high above them

The worrying letters were discovered online by American think tank The Middle East Media Research Institute

 

She has previously shared extremist views using the account, and boasted to her 500 followers about the content of the letters. 

When posting them online, she wrote: 'lil kids put their heads together to "post" letters to the muhajideen :)'

She followed that up by tweeting: 'Please encourage these lil enthusiastic daughters of this ummah...they eagerly awaiting a response...' before adding how particularly fond she was of one of the notes. 

 

Images of the letters were shared on Twitter by a woman using the handle @irhabiyya_18, which translates to 'terrorist_18'. This one describes the muhajideen as 'heroes'

The teacher responsible has previously shared extremist views using the account, and boasted to her 500 followers about the content of the letters.

 

That letter has a green hilly scene drawn in crayon with a black ISIS flag flying high above them.

It reads: 'I am so happy to write to my brothers of the mujahideen in Syria. I think of you all like heroes.'

It then goes on to praise 'brave' jihadis and question western rituals.  

 

The letters were discovered online by American think tank The Middle East Media Research Institute.

Haras Rafiq, head of the counter-extremism Quilliam Foundation, said: 'She is clearly brainwashing youngsters. These kids are vulnerable.' 

The teacher's Twitter page also features sickening images of beheading victims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231908/British-teacher-brainwashes-primary-school-children-writing-letters-support-Syrian-jihadis-calling-diamonds.html

The Islamic State group is gleefully looking forward to Armageddon and the destruction of the world. So are the evangelical Christians, but IS have actually hatched a plan to hasten it along. A 32-page Urdu document, found in Pakistan and seen by USA Today, details how the terrorist group wants to build an army across the Afghanistan and Pakistan border, which could provoke India into nuclear war and "the end of the world."

The document was first obtained by the American Media Institute via a Pakistani citizen with connections to the Taliban. According to USA Today, US intelligence officials have authenticated the document as similar in wording, phrasing and style to other official documents of the Islamic State.

Called “A Brief History of the Islamic State Caliphate, The Caliphate According to the Prophet,” the document reveals the group’s plan to unite Taliban fighters from Afghanistan and Pakistan to create an army of militants. It also calls on al-Qaeda to join forces with the caliphate, while demanding IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is recognised as the sole head of the world’s 1 billion Muslims.

The leader of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, delivering a sermon at a mosque in Iraq during his first public appearance

 

The document states: “Accept the fact that this caliphate will survive and prosper until it takes over the entire world and beheads every last person that rebels against Allah.” It also warns of an impending attack on India to draw America into all-out war, adding: "Even if the US tries to attack with all its allies, which undoubtedly it will, the ummah will be united, resulting in the final battle.”

Speaking to USA Today, Bruce Riedel, a former CIA operative, said that “Attacking in India is the Holy Grail of South Asian jihadists.”

Last month, Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood warned that at least 1,500 British nationals are likely to have been recruited by IS to fight in Iraq and Syria. The Foreign Secretary William Hague had previously claimed the number was closer to 400.

 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/29/islamic-state-armageddon--attack-india_n_7895170.html

The gang of men and women attacked the 29-year-old victim in the middle of a Birmingham street before escaping in a silver Audi

A woman had her hair chopped off with a pair of scissors in the middle of the street by a savage gang of thugs.

Detectives are now hunting the gang of men and women who escaped in a silver Audi car following the attack in the Stechford area of Birmingham.

Eye-witnesses initially thought the 29-year-old victim had been stabbed in the head, but police have confirmed she was cut by the scissors.

The Birmingham Mail reports officers are now hunting the gang of males and females who escaped in a silver-coloured Audi car after the street attack.

The victim was taken to hospital with a cut to the head and other minor injuries.

She has since been discharged.

Detectives are hunting a gang of men and women who attacked a woman in a Birmingham street and then cut off her hair with a pair of scissors.

The sickening incident happened just before 7pm on Sunday on the corner of Bagshaw Road and Rattle Croft.

 

Scene: The woman was attacked on the corner of Bagshaw Road and Rattle Croft

An eyewitness, who did not want to be named, said: "A car full of Asian people pulled up and one jumped out and it appeared as though he stabbed the young lady in the head.

"The young Asian lady was screaming and crying and then she collapsed on the floor.

"Her mother and another male relative were in bits.

"It's really scary because I have young children and it was quite close to where I live.

"At first I thought it was a random attack, but I'm not too sure if it was.

"I feel for the young lady and her family and I just hope she is getting better.

"After the attack, I saw her mum crying and there was an ambulance and four police cars."

A West Midlands Police spokeswoman said officers had been called to a dispute in the street at 7.10pm.

She confirmed that the victim suffered minor injuries and added: "A group of Asian men and women, who are unknown to the victim, pulled up and assaulted her by punching and kicking her.

"A pair of scissors was used to cut some of her hair and the victim was cut on the head in the process.

"The victim does not know who approached her and we are following up a number of lines of inquiry.

"The car seen to be leaving the scene was a silver-coloured Audi."

Anybody with information can call officers on 101 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/savage-gang-chop-womans-hair-6044364