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  1. But Sikhs are only a small cherry topping on the tip of an iceberg. The Law of Averages show that the Muslims are their primary target, who are at the bottom of the pyramid. This website does not show Sikhs as a major target for conversion.

    Reason why I showed the pics earlier is to nip the 'threat' at its bud.

    http://contenderministries.org/islam/missionaries.php

    If you go to a missionary church in a typical African country you'll find that it resembles a mosque more than the archetypal church. The worshippers stand in rows during prayer and sit on the ground in circles during classes... When reciting the bible they even use a style of recitation exactly the same as the Qura'nic Tajweed. It's all a calculated deception

    What's this got to do with the topic?

  2. So the imperial forces and the hill chief attacked Guru Ji at anandpur, Guru Ji and the sikhs fought back, kiling many enemy soldados. They were repaid in the same coin. Then by your reckoning guv, Guru Ji didnt send a letter of victory , but a letter of apology , becasue otherwise Guru Ji would have been the same as Aurangzeb?

    Is this your thinking guv?

    LOL! You've got a knack for the dramatic!

    No... that's not my thinking. Read what I've said again... & this time don't jump to conclusions!

  3. AND just as I'd said in the original post...give it enough time and Khalistanis always defend themselves by retorting to 'they did it first' or as in this post 'they haven't apologised so why should we?'. To always deflect criticism is as good as saying it didn't happen. I expect nothing from some facist RSS muppet, but I do expect more from people who supposedly believe in mahapurush and sants as according to gurbani.

    And returning to my origianl post i stated that the actions of the sikh militants were a RE-action. a reaction to the killings of sikhs at mehta and amritsar and delhi and the burning of guru saroops at chando kalan, and other places in panjab and india. Read some of the stories of the militants and how they had NO desire to be drawn into a vicious conflict with an indestinguisable powerful foe, but felt they were compelled to, just to survive.

    if the rakhsas were the ones to throw the first punch, why should we be the first to apologise? If i hit you and then you hit me, and then i said You must apologise for hitting me, would you apologise? i doubt it.

    As long back as the annual convention of the ISYF in 2000, a mata was passed at Sedgely street gurdwara in the UK stating that some actions of the militant groups had undesirable consequences which involved killing of innocent people, and other atrcoties. And this is not something i heard, but witnessed. All the Khalistanis from over the uk europe and world were there.

    Many a time Khalistanis have individually like myself and on a larger platform said that some actions of the militants led the downfall of the Khalstan movement.

    Sounds like something the US military say after they've bombed someones wedding in Iraq!

    But it's good that at least they're starting to recognise the bad points as well as the good of the conflict.

  4. if the rakhsas were the ones to throw the first punch, why should we be the first to apologise? If i hit you and then you hit me, and then i said You must apologise for hitting me, would you apologise? i doubt it.

    Because if you don't, you're no better than them.

    It's not a matter of apologising because "they" want you to... you apologise because it's the right thing to do.

  5. Yes Rupz, this is why I've termed Udasis, Nirmalay, Sevapanthis sattavgunic samprdais (in contrast to the non-sattavgunic one) in the past. Nothing in life is ever this simple...but ALL the Nirmalay texts on this subject I've read break down the khalsa into these three forms (with grihasth as rajoguni). The big Udasis I've spoken to (inc the Sri Mahant of the Bada Udasin Panchayat Akhara) also hold this point, that the very aim of the Nihangs is totally distinct from the aim for nirmalay udasis and sevapanthis (meaning the way in which they uphold dharma). Yet if you read the bani about the Khalsa in Sarbloh Granth, it is clear that guru Maharaj used the term to also imply the spiritually pavittar also. Hence the Khalsa samprdais being both Nirmalay and Nihangs historically.

    Would Nirmalay then be required to take khande di pahul? Or is the term Khalsa not limited to only amritdharis?

    I can understand why Shiv Ji is Tamogun, but why is Vishnu Sattogun & Brahma Rajogun?

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