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Jamuka, I agree with your posts, if there is anything I can't stand, that is distortion of the truth and gutless people, who despite their own heroic history refuse to see the truth for what it is. May Waheguru show us the truth! May Waheguru show muslims the right path, and that is respect and tolerance of all infidels!

Sikhs are suppressing truth so that Political Correctness can prosper! What is the world coming to? Look at the kind of inspiration Koran gives to a muslims, KILL! KILL! KILL! innocents kafirs and beat women! http://fam.showsit.info/ Either this book should be banned or those satanic verses removed! Koran written by muslim priests??? Ji nai! its direct word passed on the Mohammad through Angel Gabrielle, go ahead ask any muslim!

Sikhs are suppressing truth so that Political Correctness can prosper! What is the world coming to? Look at the kind of inspiration Koran gives to a muslims, KILL! KILL! KILL! innocents kafirs and beat women! http://fam.showsit.info/ Either this book should be banned or those satanic verses removed!

Did someone say Maharaja Ranjit Singh was a jat! I will post some more regarding this but he was not a jat!

Muslims for almost 1000 years looted/plundered India, forced their religion on Hindus and converted by force. In 1947, the muslims strarted the civil war, in which again women became a target for rape, torture and forced marriages. It seems that Islam is a source of what constitutes evil. Muslims are like a time bomb, we do not know when the bomb will explode, when our peace and harmony will dismantle in the thin air. The reason for this is that the Islam divides people into 2 categories, 1. Muslims and `other'. The `others' are the infidels or in the Islamic term, Kafirs. So muslims can launch "war" at any time with others. The war has many facets, one is the conversion. To convert the daughter of an enemy, (Pakistan V India) will dishonour the enemy and his country. Its high time that naive Sikhs open their eyes and begin to see the reality and stop making apologies for Islam. Good day!

Sher Singh ji, thanks for providing more accurate figures. PN ji, the reign of Maharaja was a a true secular rule, but within the secularist state the Khalsa panth was safeguarded as ware moslems and Hinduism. Maharaja's army in addition to Sikhs, Moslems and Hindus also consisted of Europeans. There was not need to use both Khalistan or Sikhistan words, remember the reign was truly secular, which also meant that all religions were protected, there were no organised massacres of the minorities as in India since 1947. So it makes it acceptable for Islamic invaders to do so. Hmmm. Oh really! I think you forget that the West Punjab was mainly occupied by the Sikhs and was the richest half of Punjab. And BTW how about those handful Sikhs and Hindus who are still living there. Do you emphaise with them too. Or is it not PC to do so? You know PN ji, Suffering is the same regardless of any religion, creed or caste. I don't need to romanticize Sikh history, Sikh history is not Mahabharta, just let the facts speak out, that is all. Niranjana ji, yes you are right about the Kenyan dastaar. Anyone know why a particular style was adopted by the East African Sikhs? My father stayed in Kenya for number of years and never altered his style but then again my father is a leader not a follower

Dear All, It seems that the Sikh community is vulneralbe to charlatans who pose as Gurus to mislead innocents. For example if I were to dress in saffon coloured cloak, wear a tilak on my forehead and look the part. I can then easily manipulate people, I can ever sell my own special miracle amrit and so forth. I can use the Sikh scriptures and incorporate verses off Gita, bit of Koran and mix bibical teachings within that. I can then devise my rules on marriages and birth. And hey presto! I have started a new religion and have mislead the Sikh. Sikhs as a religious group in my opinion have become vulnerble to Cultish Gurus and (bhed chaad) What do u guys think?

[ Mirpuris Pakistanis are at the forefront of drugs and the gang culture. In terms of employment and and Education they are at the bottom along with Bangladeshis and Blacks. Sikhs, Hindus and Chinese are exceeding their white counterparts in Education achievement targets. I have not the time to search now but you can find these statictics on various websites. But it doesn't mean to say that all Pakistanis are failing and all Sikhs are succeeding. But the figures do give an overall picture of the minorities living in the UK. On the whole Punjabi Pakistanis are more successful than Mirpuri Pakistanis. It is important to distinguish between these groups, so that not all muslims get tarnished with the same brush. which ofcourse would be unfair. Sikhs on the whole do not have the time to form thuggish gangs. Their expectations of themselves tends to be high and pressure from the parent to do well sufficient enough to keep them out of trouble. My point is that it is not right to compare these groups as there is a huge disparity and cultural differences as well social and religious. The Mirpuri muslims donot have much knowledge of their own religon nevermind other religions. They tend to follow Koran literally, and become quite fundamental of the teachings. This means that their way is the only way. They also tend to please their elders by converting infidel women. These people are in awe of the Sikhs and to dishonour the Sikhs is like a victory for them. (the underlying reasons must be researched)The easy way is to target innocent girls. I am talking of fundamental Mirpuris here and not other muslim groups. The mass migration of muslims from other countries couldn't care less and have no interest in converting anyone or any groups of people. Well not yet anyway! Kind regards

PN ji, Answer my simple question. During the 40 years of the Sikh raj, what popuation of Sikhs occupied Punjab? What percentage of Punjabis constituted Hindus and Muslims? PN ji, Oh dear I am so sorry that for almost 1000 years muslims went into so much trouble to violate and rape a country like India. I mean how difficult it must have been to loot and plunder and ofcourse convert those low life Hindu infidels (that wasn't difficult) And its not easy to demolish temples especially those thousands of years old. And Khalsa made their job harder, the infidels preferred to die than convert. We agree on something. The girl is besotted with my son. I am concerned about her welfare, if found out she will be deported to Azad Kashmir (Mirpur). Kind Regards

PN, My readings and hearing people's experiences inform otherwise... regardless the brutal barbarian acts of 1947 are unjustifiable. It had everything to do with fundamentalism and religious extremism, the looting adn property grabbing was part of it. Muslims gained a country, when half of India was given to Islam. Despite the suffering on both sides, the Sikhs lost their territory. Had it not been for Hindu RSS extremistism, perhaps Jinnah may not have demanded Pakistan. Ironically not a single muslim had to sacrifice himself to gain a country, (the communal riots followed afterwards) Jinnah's intellect, leadership and political power was no doubt commendable. On the other hand our leader with a narrow vision were kept in the dark by Nehru and Gandhi. Sikhs gave sacrifices for the freedom of India and who gained by their sacrifices??? Not the Sikhs! that for sure! Generally speaking those girls who have no knowledge of their heritage are more likey to fall into the islam pushers. This problem is not confined to one or two areas but is spread out widely. I do not wish to scaremonger but this is the reality. The Hindu community too is facing the same crisis. Also I would like to add that mulism girls are now fighting the restrictions imposed on them such as marrying cousins, or being sent to Pakistan at the age of 16 etc etc. Infact, my son is currently being pursued by a Mirpuri girl, I don't say horray.. let's convert this girl in to Sikhism. I have been advising her that our religiosn are not compatible and our beliefs differ.

[ Punjabi Natiionalist, my grandmother recalls this year to be the worst year ever in the history of human kind, when humans turned into butchers, mercilessly killings neighbours. Whilst the Sikhs were uprooted and butchred in the West of Punjab the same happened in the East Punjab for the muslims. As for the number of lives, the loss was greater for the Sikhs (please check valid sources). I am guessing the reasons for their foul ideology, it is Islam coupled with some vendetta. I really don't know. I would like to do some research on it. We are all living in a free society. Mirpuris cannot impose any kind of conversion on Sikh girls. However certain manipulative tactics are used in colleges and Universities such as asking Sikh girls out with the view of converting. The foolish girls fall into their prey. Also with education have come new and sophisticated ways of selling Islam. Sikh girls need to aware of Islam pushers. These people are not like the pure Kashmiris, but are just on the border of Kashmir and Pakistan. These people like to be assiciated with Kashmir and therefore call themselves Azad. As for the language, Mirpuri is a dialect of Punajbi.

Punjabi Nationalist, More indepth research in desperately needed to put into perspective the underlying reasons which have resulted in unfavourable relations between communities here in Britian. I speak of first hand knowledge and experience and also having worked very closely with this community in particular has given me an insight into their thinking. Without generlising too much, it is fair to say that this community in particular has been problematic than any other faction of the muslim religion. This particular community is driven by an islamic agenda of conversion and in general, unlike the West Punjbis is less liberal or educated in their attitudes I agree that it is unfair to blame all muslims for example an Iranian Muslim historically has no vendetta towards Sikhs whereas factions of Pakistani Muslims are still seeking revenge for 1947, and yet it were the Sikhs who lost the most in life and posessions. Bradford, Birmingham, Slough, Yorkshire, Burnley and Manchester have a large majority of Mirpuris, they tend to live together and usually occupy pockets of areas in inner cities. With the extra support of the Goverment this community has made a considerble improvement in education, the young are now entering Universities. But the problems such as inter- breeding, forced marriages and the belief system that "our way is the only way" still prevails to a large extent. Those Sikh girls who are not educated in their own religion are more likely to fall prey than those who are. It is the role of the parents to impart education but usually the parents themselves are either too busy or are themselves illiterate in the Sikh philosophy. Occasionally, I hear folks say, " so an so's daughter has run away with a "muslim". And I physically feel sick because I know that daughter will soon regret the decision or that daughter will be deported to Mirpur or Pakistan where she may be put into business. A daughter of sardars once who proudly walked in their capital city of Lahore now sits in the kotha. My heart bleeds!

Niranjana, About time someone thought of analysing the relationship of Sikhs and Muslims in UK. The problem is not so much with any other muslims or Punjabi muslims from West Punjab but lies with Mirpuris who often prefer being called Azad Kashmiris. These people have specifically targetted Sikh women. They have a vendetta towards Sikhs, it is deep rooted. Could it be that they are carrying the grudges against Sikhs because they once came under the Sikh reign of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. On the other hand, I have spoken to many Pathans, Aghanstani Muslims who still remember the bravery, courage of the Sikhs from generations hence respect the Sikhs. We desperately need to research the cause of these problems. Anyone interested in research, please PM me. BTW, These people migrated to UK at the same time as other immigrants. UK is more popular with these people, more so than USA, Canada and other western countries, hence the result of relationships which has impacted on the Sikh community in a very negative way.

I fully agree with you truth, Exactly what I had said earlier. I don't like him or his site but he does serve a purpose. My black friend who had almost fallen for muslim conversion propaganda, started to view and question Islam from a humanitarian perspective. And therefore was saved.

Chan should come here, she is not afraid to challenge and speaks the the truth for what it is. Chan is wasted on those criminals who cannot see beyond hate. She is a great teacher, I have learnt a lot from her. Gauge is here too Welcome brother. Its great to see you!

Amrit ji, Socrates said, `I know that I don't know'. We should all try and kill the ego in us, but you are no ass. Tusi ho 8) cool dude

The owner of the site has lived his life as a Muslim, has an in depth knowledge of Arabic and interprets the Koran as it is, without bias or apologies. I believe he is giving an accurate but a blatant image of his religion without making apologies. Academic research is not always accurate, very rarely you'll find about how Islam was spread in around the globe. Muslim scholars and academics still believe that Hindus including Brahmins embraced Islam willingly and were not converted by force. I do not like the owner of the site :twisted: he is still very insecure and megalomaniac but where I respect him is that he has questioned Islam and have left it for good. I would only recommend this site to wannabe muslims or muslims. I think the rest of us knows true Islam. :twisted: Religion of peace :roll: HA HA! PS: This site saved my black friend from falling into Muslim conversion propaganda.

Rupz, invite him here and also ask him what he thinks of faithfreedom.org. This site is set by real ex-muslims, the owner of the site has a long way to to go, to learn about humanity particulary freeing himself from hard core Islamic tendencies such as intolerce and bigorty towards other religions. But the guy is doing a good job in education muslims about the real Islam. He is originally from the midddel East now living in Canada.

The above petition is about the genocide perpeturated by the Hindu nationalists fanatical politicians. And yes, French Gov. is ridiculous.

Its thought provoking, an intelligent question and to my simple mind makes perfect sense. Those Hindu fanatics who are promoting Sikhs as terrorists proclaim the gross violation towards Indian Sikhs justifible by painting them as `PLANE BLOWERS'. This question lends itself to some discussion whether true or not. I think what Ideal Singh is trying to search by posing this question is the how, when confrontewd with such ludicrous claims how do we refute or what is the best way to refute. I may be wrong.

Hey Amrit Pal ji, Eh khote de tasveer menu Nehru de dhee lagdi hai. :shock: Apna avatar badal lo :wink:

First of u need evidence! Do not send anything without first getting evidence from akashradio, we need to know whether akash radion were consulted and if so on what grounds have they appoved the project? If akash have approved, u then need to attack akash using a coordinated approach. Random emails I donot think will have any effect. To attack the issue from its roots we need to form powerful professional groups. Don't fight, Write and speak out! use the media! I like Shaterkovich's strategy!

First time I heard such stories about Kalle. Are u guys sure about this.. I am not convinced. I know Southall fairly well!

If you guys want to pursue it properly, I suggest that you form a proper constituted pressure group, and approach both the Paki and Indian Film institutions. Pakistani Punjabi in West Punjab are Ok type of people less fanatic than the Mirpuri here in the UK. Also educate the Indians film makers about our causes, our history, how we donnot want to portrayed and what we percieve to be offensive or not offensive.

SSA Mr. Singh ji, what parbandaks? The Pakistani Parbandaks or the Gurdwara parbandaks? Please clarify! Thanks