Religious Pluarism?

[Genie Singh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_pluralism

Please could I have everyones comments on the concept of religious pluarism? Also it seems to be taking over however lacks in muslims- why have the politics of pakistan have had a huge effect on that and would that lead to every one who tries to tolerate intolerant people being interolant and destroying pluarism. Seriously more worse then the jevohah witnesses they are. If you try and look it, from that point of being intolerant and not pluaristic it gives you an ability not to integrate with other belief systems and become like them in the way that you retain your ideology.

[Genie Singh]

Is it right for Gurdwaras everywhere in the world to preach pluarism from Sikhism? There is a difference between tolerance and pluarism more correctly sikhi is teaching tolerance not pluarism. If you read in Guru Gobind Singh bani he says he does not recognise vedas or quran.

Also Guru Gobind Singh maryada forbid sikh from eating with a non-amritdhari, a muslim. Guru sahib forbids a sikh to ever trust a muslim or to give them his daughter. Sikhs are giving there daughters to muslims more and more. Sikhs cut hair, adulterate do other things which are done by other ideologies. If we understand every ideology to be the same as ours like giving equality to lucian freud for preaching sex or equality to hindus to do idol worship, caste belief, cut hair,drink cow piss, etc.

Bani says:

The Vedas and the Scriptures are only make-believe, O Siblings of Destiny; they do not relieve the anxiety of the heart. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 727)

Vedas, Shastras, Simritis all say many things but I do not accept anyone of those. (Raam Avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

I have read all the Vedas, and yet the sense of separation in my mind still has not been removed; the five thieves of my house are not quieted, even for an instant. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 687)

With muslims who care about converting everyone eating meat, hating non-believers. Where will sikhi be if we integrate into other people seeing them exactly the same as us we will do what they do and loose our own practices as such. Today many gurdwaras read works that belong to other religions openly it is nice to discuss philosophy but if you teach little children all religions are the same what will stop little girls from dating muslims and converting. Or guys from marrying white girls or sleeping around or drinking, cutting hair and other forms of manmat.

How will we preach real gurmat. Guru sahib taught tolerance he opened a door to everyone to embrace sikhi to be treated with love and respect not for us to loose our values and become like them otherwise what is the point of all those sacrifices. Gurmat does teach to love even those who do not belong to our own religion and to make sacrifices for them there is a lot of love for non-sikhs stressed but it does not teach us we follow the same thing as them.

Tolerance:

1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

2.

a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.

Pluarism:

1.

Philosophy .

a.

a theory that there is more than one basic substance or principle. Compare dualism ( def. 2 ) , monism ( def. 1a ) .

b.

a theory that reality consists of two or more independent elements.

2.

Ecclesiastical .

a.

the holding by one person of two or more offices at the same time.

Edited September 6, 2011 by JatherdarSahib

[Genie Singh]

The main school of gurmat could be considered to have been pre-fathered before Guru Nanak Dev ji By Bhagat Ramanand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramananda

Ramanand could be considered to father of hindi and his disiples all include other bhagats which get included into SGGS by Guru Arjan Dev JI which Guru Nanak collected and interacted with. Guru Nanak is understood to have been born from a very rich khatri family of traders who owned alot of land and where great of the greatest scholars in the vedas as with the shariah law on India he was educated into Islamic studies bearing knowledge of Islam and of that time the sufi brand.

Sufism incorporating works of the likes of Rumi, Shams Tabriz and Hafiz being understood as the greatest of commentators of the quran, haddith and sunnah which leads to people like Bhagat Sheikh farid practing under that school. Rumi's own trip to India inspired him with it's mythology in the past so he takes into his own works the understanding of hinduism alike to Amir Khusrow who invented the tabla, sitar and urdu relating islam to hinduism for people to convert easily.

Would Ramanand have some link with amir khusrow or rumi, shams, hafiz? This is what his current followers believe having deep routes from the Gita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanandi_sect His student Bhagat Kabir could be understood as a sufi maybe he as a hindus student inspired him into more pluaristic works like the inclusive nature of the sufis to form gurmat perhaps the relation of kabir and ramanand switch the role of sufism which is Islam being a dominant ideology over a mixture of others to a form with hinduism dominates ovher other ideologies to become it's very own ideology i.e. gurmat. Out of the other bhagats other then bhagat sheikh farid which one did guru nanak first meet to bring the provoked invocation to the path maybe his first meeting with mardana changed him to the whole path. Going from Lahore punjab where he lived towards Sultanpur (today's U.P Uttar Pradesh) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanpur,_Uttar_Pradesh

Perhaps Guru Nanak's udassis give hint to his interactions and what or who may have influenced the direction of them:

Below is a brief summary of the confirmed places where Guru Nanak visited (inaccurate there are more cities we find today and he spent more time then is written below, he went up to Russia, Turkey, Syria some suggest Egypt):

First Udasi: (1500-1506 AD) Lasted about 7 years and covered the following towns and regions: Sultanpur, Tulamba (modern Makhdumpur, zila Multan), Panipat, Delhi, Banaras (Varanasi), Nanakmata (zila Nainital, U.P.), Tanda Vanjara (zila Rampur), Kamrup (Assam), Asa Desh (Assam), Saidpur (modern Eminabad, Pakistan), Pasrur (Pakistan), Sialkot (Pakistan).

Second Udasi: (1506-1513 AD) Lasted about 7 years and covered the following towns and regions: Dhanasri Valley, Sangladip (Ceylon).

Third Udasi: (1514-1518 AD) Lasted about 5 years and covered the following towns and regions: Kashmir, Sumer Parbat, Nepal,

Tashkand, Sikkim, Tibet.

Fourth Udasi: (1519-1521 AD) Lasted about 3 years and covered the following towns and regions: Mecca and the Arab countries.

Fifth Udasi: (1523-1524 AD) Lasted about 2 years and covered the following towns and regions: Places within the Punjab.

Edited September 6, 2011 by JatherdarSahib