ironlion Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! Every Sikh should know what it is and you can only become true Sikh if you follow teachings of Gurus but not Hindus. Guru Gobind Singh Ji said: "Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara, Tab Lag Tej Dioon Mein Sara Jab Eh Gaye Bipran Ki Reet, Mein Na Karoon In Ki Parteet" This means as long as the Khalsa follow only one path of the Gurus and follow the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Gobind Singh Ji will always be with the Khalsa. But if the Khalsa starts following Bipran Ki Reet then Guru Ji will not help the Khalsa because a Sikh is not allowed to follow Bipars (Brahmans). Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 In order for this discussion to be fruitful, please could any future posts consider and addess the following:- 1. What is the source of the quotes and a brief discussion on this text -also an accurate translation is required (ironlion, thank you for raising this important topic, but your translation is not entirely accurate). 2. What is Bipran? 3. What/Who are the Brahmins and what is the issue with them? Please keep these 3 questions in mind in all future posts, for this is a quote that is being used time and time again in a whole host of arguments and needs to be fully evaluated. Please proceed with some diligent vichaar! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Gurfateh! The verse which states Till Khalsa remains seperate,Till then i give all my Glory If they go in the ritual of of Prist,I will not do feeling on them(will not take care of them). This may means if Khalsa is alone(Nayyara) ,I will give all power to him/her. If he goes for pristly ritual,I will not do Parttet of them Parteet is felling or care from Ampbhrash of Sanskrit. In Amrit Kirtan Pothi it is said to be taken from Sarbloh Guru Darbar But in Sarbloh Guru Darbar Published by Budh Dal,This verse is all togather missing. If it is not found in any of the manuscript of Sarbloh Guru Darbar then this verse is interopolated,Null and void. So Das is sorry but his another Grand Father Gurbux Sinnh Kala Afghana will have to take back all his writing regarding Vipran Ki Reet. Das is sorry if something wrong is written. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Gur Fateh! Veer VijayDeep Singh, Is the fact that this shabad is missing from the Sri Sarabloh Parkash printed by the Buddha Dal a result of Baba Santa Singh's editing? You indicate that no 'manuscript' contains these shabads either -in which case does anyone know where these Shabads came from? When were they first circulated and preached? In addition to this, the shabad during the preceding portion also mentions these lines:- "Pita KAAL Purakh, Maat CHANDIKA" What are the thoughts of the forum on this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Vijaydeep Singh Ji, Fateh Pravan Karni Charan Ch. Have you checked Sarbloh granth which is in its orginal form at Mai Bhago Gurdwara near Hazoor Sahib? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Das has as yet not seen any manuscript,But compiler of Budhdal version gives an accunt of all manuscripts.(There is one from Hazur Sahib too). Das has said,If Manuscripts also does not contain this verse. So it has to be verified and it is not a statement but a conditional statement. Das is sorry if any confusion is created. Kindly read the post of Das(above this) clearly. It is a matter of research. But if verses are not there then bases of Tat Khalsa of present date is false. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki fateh das has got some part of these verses from Sau Sakhi,das will give details later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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