challenge_everything Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Giani Thakur Singh Ji's explanation of this line on www.gurmatveechar.com is chardi kala. Vah Ji Vah! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalvir Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 thx for the site bro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenge_everything Posted April 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 You know this shabad is not just about meat-eating or vegetarianism - it's much deeper than that... see if you can spot them - ma 1 || First Mehl: maas maas kar moorakh jhagarrae giaan dhhiaan nehee jaanai || The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. koun maas koun saag kehaavai kis mehi paap samaanae || What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? gai(n)addaa maar hom jag keeeae dhaevathiaa kee baanae || It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. maas shhodd bais nak pakarrehi raathee maanas khaanae || Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. farr kar lokaa(n) no dhikhalaavehi giaan dhhiaan nehee soojhai || They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. naanak a(n)dhhae sio kiaa keheeai kehai n kehiaa boojhai || O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. a(n)dhhaa soe j a(n)dhh kamaavai this ridhai s lochan naahee || They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. maath pithaa kee rakath nipa(n)nae mashhee maas n khaa(n)hee || They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat. eisathree purakhai jaa(n) nis maelaa outhhai ma(n)dhh kamaahee || But when men and women meet in the night, they come together in the flesh. maasahu ni(n)mae maasahu ja(n)mae ham maasai kae bhaa(n)ddae || In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh. giaan dhhiaan kashh soojhai naahee chathur kehaavai paa(n)ddae || You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar. baahar kaa maas ma(n)dhaa suaamee ghar kaa maas cha(n)gaeraa || O master, you believe that flesh on the outside is bad, but the flesh of those in your own home is good. jeea ja(n)th sabh maasahu hoeae jeee laeiaa vaasaeraa || All beings and creatures are flesh; the soul has taken up its home in the flesh. abhakh bhakhehi bhakh thaj shhoddehi a(n)dhh guroo jin kaeraa || They eat the uneatable; they reject and abandon what they could eat. They have a teacher who is blind. maasahu ni(n)mae maasahu ja(n)mae ham maasai kae bhaa(n)ddae || In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh. giaan dhhiaan kashh soojhai naahee chathur kehaavai paa(n)ddae || You know nothing of spiritual wisdom and meditation, even though you call yourself clever, O religious scholar. maas puraanee maas kathaeba(n)aee chahu jug maas kamaanaa || Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used. jaj kaaj veeaahi suhaavai outhhai maas samaanaa || It is featured in sacred feasts and marriage festivities; meat is used in them. eisathree purakh nipajehi maasahu paathisaah sulathaanaa(n) || Women, men, kings and emperors originate from meat. jae oue dhisehi narak jaa(n)dhae thaa(n) ounh kaa dhaan n lainaa || If you see them going to hell, then do not accept charitable gifts from them. dhae(n)adhaa narak surag laidhae dhaekhahu eaehu dhhin(g)aanaa || The giver goes to hell, while the receiver goes to heaven - look at this injustice. aap n boojhai lok bujhaaeae paa(n)ddae kharaa siaanaa || You do not understand your own self, but you preach to other people. O Pandit, you are very wise indeed. paa(n)ddae thoo jaanai hee naahee kithhahu maas oupa(n)naa || O Pandit, you do not know where meat originated. thoeiahu a(n)n kamaadh kapaahaa(n) thoeiahu thribhavan ga(n)naa || Corn, sugar cane and cotton are produced from water. The three worlds came from water. thoaa aakhai ho bahu bidhh hashhaa thoai bahuth bikaaraa || Water says, ""I am good in many ways."" But water takes many forms. eaethae ras shhodd hovai sa(n)niaasee naanak kehai vichaaraa ||2|| Forsaking these delicacies, one becomes a true Sannyaasee, a detached hermit. Nanak reflects and speaks. ||2|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 i think this shabad should be made a sticky, in so many posts we start argueing about meat, people should just refer to this shabad. the first line just kills it.... Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Akaaal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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