Amarjeet Singh_1737

Each case is always bound to be different.

I have heard an interview where Khushwant says that, but if were to employ military perceptions a sniper and a swift follow up offensive would have been extremely efficient. Yet if we look at the motive, there was really nothing strong which commandeered such an attack in the first place. But here's something I got from the times of India. Take a look at it. Indira Gandhi's Generals Quibble Publicly, Calling Each Other Liars & Incompetents VIKRAM JIT SINGH At a time when details about Britain's role in Indira Gandhi's criminal actions in 1984 are coming out, two top field commanders of the Indian Army at Amritsar during the operation have very contrasting views on the merits of the assault that led to heavy casualties. Maj Gen Jamwal, who commanded the 15 Infantry Division headquartered at Amritsar, has held that the operation was not only "badly-planned'' but suffered from the fatal error of launching a "frontal assault that went straight into the muzzle of the Sikh resistance fighters". Now settled in Jammu, Maj Gen Jamwal says that revelations of the British Special Air Service being involved in Bluestar was "absolute bunk". Delving on the operation, Maj Gen Jamwal said: "The wrong direction of the assault planned by Maj Gen Brar was exposed when the 10 Guards declared over the radio that they could not move forward at all. If I had my way, we should have gone in for attack from the West." On the other hand, Brar, who was promoted to Lt Gen for his ignominy, said from Mumbai: "Maj Gen Jamwal is a bitter, jealous man. His division was in Amritsar and he should have been given the task on the Golden Temple but I was given the responsibility. His men knew the Temple whereas we had to plan everything from scratch as we were inducted from Meerut. He is upset about that.'' Asked about the specific instances of failure detailed by Maj Gen Jamwal, Brar said: "I don't want to comment beyond that. There is obviously something lacking in Maj Gen Jamwal that he did not make it beyond Maj Gen rank.'' Maj Gen Jamwal, whose division was tasked to guard the borders against a Pakistani Army incursion, states that Maj Gen Brar was going in to attack without any reserves. "I told Lt Gen Dyal this and on that, two companies from my division were ordered to be placed under Maj Gen Brar, who was commanding the 9 Infantry Division,'' states Maj Gen Jamwal, whose 15 Division was primarily tasked to guard the border against a Pakistani Army incursion. Interestingly, both the generals were together as young officers after being commissioned into the 1 Maratha Light Infantry. It was a badly and hastily planned and executed operation on the Golden Temple. "I told Maj Gen Brar this before the operation commenced but he told me that he had been given direct orders by Lt Gen K. Sundarji, the then Western Army Commander. I told Maj Gen Brar that when things will go wrong, it will be your neck in the noose not that of Lt Gen Sundarji's,'' Maj Gen Jamwal said. When the operation got bogged down during the early hours of June 6, Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that Maj Gen Brar was in a panic and his voice over the radio betrayed that. Brar had forgotten there were reserves available. He was heard over the radio to the 10 Guards saying 'what should I do ... get something done'. When reminded of the reserves available on the radio by then Deputy GOC, 15 Division, Col. Dewan, Maj Gen Brar ordered the reserves into battle, which were two companies of the 9 Garhwal Rifles. The reserves played a decisive role,'' he said. Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that he ordered his troops to fire an anti-tank shell into a wall of the Akal Takth but the misdirected shell hit the Sikh Reference Library and it burst into flames. Delving further into Maj Gen Brar's revelation that 20 shells were fired from tanks onto the Akal Takht, Maj Gen Jamwal reveals that some of these shells overshot and landed in areas behind the Golden Temple including their own army positions. Maj Gen Jamwal was posted out of Amritsar after the operation and went on to command the Delhi Area. He testified in 2005 before the Nanavati Commission probing the anti-Sikh pogrom that the Union Home Minister had not given him directions to move the Army into the areas hit by the pogroms of Delhi till the evening of November 1, 1984. Maj Gen Jamwal confirmed that a section of troops of 26 Madras had indulged in looting in the Golden Temple and that the battalion's Commanding Officer had been severely admonished by him and ordered to return the goods. He also brings out that after the operation, two Indian Army officers of the rank of Maj Gen visited him and asked him to liquidate the surrendered militants in the custody of 15 Division, to which Maj Gen Jamwal offered a blunt rejection. I told them I am a general of the Indian Army, not a butcher,'' said Maj Gen Jamwal. No post-operation assessment / discussion in the higher command, action taken report or inquiry was undertaken on Bluestar, reveals Maj Gen Jamwal. [Courtesy: Times of India.] January 16, 2014

Try getting General V.K. Singh's (prior chief of army before General Bikramjit Singh) autobiography. He's devoted a whole section to mismanaged and unnecessary Indian military operations. Operation Bluestar is his main hen. He classifies it as being unnecessary, and once executed, heavily mismanaged. His contempt for Brar is basically infectious, whereas General Sundarji's character is overtly murdered. In the aftermath of his sacking, he leaked private information withheld by the army about many of it's operations. When questioned on Operation Bluestar, especially seeing his successor was a Sikh, he is known to have described a mismanaged scene of chaotic bureaucracy. Most of the generals Indra summoned to spearhead the Operation refused, saying they did not want to get involved in Punjab. Especially since she was the one citing Bhindranwale could not be brought to the negotiation table. Secondly the extreme step of dispatching more than a hundred men to attack a religious place was highly unnecessary. This was even noted by India's ambassador to Madagascar, who went to meet the militants. Counting more than 200 armed paramilitary personnel ringing Darbar Sahib, he was later to ask why no sniper took Bhindranwale out and removed the brain of the militancy if that was what Indra truly wanted. Above all he conclusively stated that even the army was against the attack. The media censorship in it's aftermath, planned prior, would only aggravate matters further. To circumvent such an obstacle Indra finally selected specific regiments, such as the Bihar Regiment, the Madras Regiment and the Assam Regiment. Even then select battalions and divisions were chosen, whose silence and loyalty could be ensured.

The problem was Indra was not as popular as she was during the creation of Bangladesh. She needed a massive voting issue. What better than to steer an agitation towards violence via state prowess (police, para military etc), unleash a destructive attack, express a sorry face and than gain a landslide victory in the upcoming elections.

The problem is with History Chor Ji.

Insecurity? Is that what your mind defines your reflection as being?

Hear Hear.

Not equating myself to him but in my experience the only time anyone can make that statement is when they are highly drunk.

The impression I get from Khushwant Singh's works is he's basically neutral but when it suits him he jumps on either of the bandwagons surrounding him.

Would explain a lot. One's quite and reserved while the other stokes the flames.

The only unity they can ever create is trying to absorb a unique precedent into their own decayed psyche.

Unfortunately you cannot do the same for the contents of his thick cranium.

Hindu priests and vagabonds deliberately placed idols in the mosque. Local upper caste Hindus took up the cry that now the place had become a temple and moving the idols would mean blasphemy.

When I asked around most of the residents said no one really knows where the original Ram Temple was. The Dalits were heavily opposed to the idea of building any temple. Especially since there were so many around considered to be the original. One of the residents said that the upper caste buffons only want the hill for the views (where the mosque was) and nothing more. Another individual showed me a programme he had recorded on tv, some guy kept on saying he had a dream where Ram Chandra told him to free him from captivity in the mosque. We both cracked up laughing. Out of all the things that could have been used, that was the best they could come up with. I also came across a documentary (will try hunting it out again) where a local Hindu priest explains how he was paid to place idols in the mosque, in order to engineer hostilities between both Hindus and Muslims; and that too by the local governor who was acting on behest of Nehru.

Baba Daya Singh Ji, jathedar of Baba Bidhi Chand Dal passed away.

Maybe Hindus shouldn't have demolished the mosque at Ayodhya.

Bullshit quotes provided by EKOMKAR proves God knows what. On the Banda thread Sher provided a quote from Sri Gur Panth Prakash, saying it proved Nahan Raja helped Banda. There was no reference to such an incident in the quote itself.

'Indian Playboy,' tantric Kama Sutra, courtesy of Tangri (leg).

The last battles will be fought by their keyboard warriors on forums and facebooks. Doaba Sher a.k.a Sher got blocked by many individuals on FB. Amongst them being Dr. Gurinder Singh Maan, Akali-Nihung Kamalroop Singh Ji, the page Tisarpanth being only a few names. For those who have fb accounts you can approach these individuals and ask why.

Should we be? (a) Shocked. ( Surprised. © Angry. (d) Afraid. (e) or do nothing because we knew this was a plausibility. I would personally recommend: Dhol kuto ta ladoo bando.

LOL your post reminds me of a time when one of my relatives took amrit and went to school. The teacher, whose husband was a prominent local level politician, kept on denouncing her choice to take amrit publicly stating that why take amrit and call yourself Sikh when the kachera comes from Hanuman. My relative went home, read a book of Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji, came back and asked her 'if the Kachera is from Hanuman than why do 80 million Hindus not take amrit?' The teacher left her well alone after that.

Just sit back and watch the show son.

If I remember correctly Hindu Poorbias, Bengalis, Marathas and Rajputs played a pretty profound role in de-establishing the Khalsa regime in Punjab. Maybe the notion payback is a admin cut will help you learn why we did not support some over hyped killing orgy. On the other hand a few months after the fall of the Sikh empire, Bhai Maharaj Singh pushed for an united India to oust the British. There was no ineptitude, as spread by Jaswant Rao Holakr, to hold such a notion back but yet again your proud Hindus did not lift one finger to join him. Again payback is a admin cut.

Sarcasm truly is lost on your bullshit psyche isn't it.

Damn it HS, you just revealed a national secret. Nehru was a Muslim!!!! Gandhi was a Christian!!!! Everything else is all done by Pakistan and China. They just cannot tolerate Hindu unity.