Jonny101

female infanticide is more common amongst the urban Punjabi Hindus than the rural Sikhs. Where as Sikhs still have 2-3 children average, the urban Punjabi Hindus will rarely even have 2 children being satisfied with only 1 child. As a result of this 1 child policy of the urban Punjabi Hindus has resulted in a very disturbing trend of parents being very selective about only wanting male children because of which the female fetus is aborted while in the womb.

I never said HInduism is bad or any other religion is bad. neither am I asking for you to tell me 1000 good things about Hinduism. I am only asking you what is Hinduism based on it's beliefs, disbeliefs, practices, rehit.

Sher, very simple way to know the difference between Hinduism and Sikhi is for you to first define Hinduism i.e. beliefs, disbelief, practices.

LOL where did the 25 wives thing come from? it's too funny to be true

seems like a typical case of love jihad

First define for us here what is Hinduism. What is it's rehit, it's beliefs, disbelief.

Sher is quoting KPS Gill of all people a man who had slaughtered Sikhs indiscriminately. That's as ridiculous as someone quoting Gen Brar's white washed version of operation bluestar! Tully wasn't even there in the 1978 massacre. According to the survives and eyewitnesses of the massacre, the peaceful Sikh procession was attacked and shot at by the armed Nirankaris. You can quote all the people who weren't even there, it wont prove a point. The fact that the Indian justice system then failed to bring the Nirankaris to justice who had killed the Sikhs forced the Sikhs to form armed groups as a defensive measure. You may try to justify Nirankaris any way you like. I don't blame you since Hindus have a long history of having their Mandirs and Moortis insulted by invaders(Muslims) who often found the Mandirs abandoned by the Hindus even before arriving but Sikhs since the start of their history have never tolerated anyone doing beadbi of Guru Maharaj. So you cannot possibly understand why the Sikhs reacted

Not sure. to learn about Baba Jee, please listen to this talks.

You'r whole bases of doing chori of our history is that if a person a born a Hindu he supposedly remains one for the rest of his life. Yes he was a Hindu when Guru Jee met him but upon meeting Guru Jee he took Amrit, what is so difficult in this for you to understand?? are you seriously that thick? Even my ancestors were Hindus who then became Sikhs!! Just because you are not well read and only rely on the internet and google for all your historical info does not lower the credibility of historians. Even contemporary historical sources such as the Bhatt Vahis and Sarup Singh Kaushish's Gur Kian Sakhian says Baba Banda Singh Bahadur took Amrit. Primary Sikh sources written by Kesar Singh Chibbar, Ratan Singh Bhangu and Giani Gian Singh mention Baba Jee taking Amrit. Even a retard by now would have conceded and accepted the truth which is as clear as day. Yet you still insist on repeating your toota phoota point like a broken record only proves to me you are not interesting in any serious dialogue. You are only here to repeat and spread your anti Sikh propaganda.

If Sikhs are peaceful and are killed it is perfectly okay, but if as a last resort Sikhs fight back against their aggressor then it's a crime. Instead of looking at Sikhs, perhaps you should first look at how Hindutva terrorists attack and kill Christian women and children when missionaries insult Hindu Gods. Punjab is the only place in India where Christians and Muslims are not killed because Sikhs don't let Hindutva terrorists to carry on any killing there. That is why Sikhs are targeted by them

Is it any surprise for us that at the time the Hindu media in Punjab fully supported the Nirankaris after they had killed the peaceful Sikh protesters. Neither the killed nor the killers were Hindus, yet why the HIndu media at the time would support the Nirankaris shows their anti Sikh views under the surface. Just a little bit of scratching the surface exposes their hatred as Ekumkaar (aka Sher) exposed his real anti Sikh views recently

Oh please, now that your true colous have been exposed don't try and act all innocent. Ecumkaar(your alternative ID) wrote exactly what he meant. He is proud of 84 which he views as a Hindu victory over the Sikhs and Gujarat riots as a Hindu victory over the Muslims. Now that you realize how bad his statement really looks you are trying give an alternative meaning to it. Listen Einstein, dropping bombs from a plane wasn't convenient nor suitable for the operation. It was carried out by commandos of the Indian army who were trained in precision and surgical strikes. They thought the mere sight of these commandos would frighten the Sikh defenders. These soldiers shot hundreds of rounds towards the direction of the Darbar Sahib. Under pressure of the Indian government, SGPC later sealed those holes against the wishes of the Sikhs who wished for them to remain so our future generations would not forget what the GOI did. The Sikh reference library was burnt by the angry Indian soldiers right after they had won their hard earned victory. They shot in cold blood non combatants who had come there to observe a holiday. You are not fooling anyone with your lies.

Banda Singh Bahadur point you were proven wrong. I listed a number of sources (Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Puraatan, British) all saying Baba Banda Singh Bahadur took amrit from Guru Jee. But you having no sourse of your own kept repeated your propaganda which proves you are not here for any dialogue. Now you are acting all innocent. We do not tolerate chors who like you distorting our history and religion. Keep your Hindutva BS to yourself. Until this chor learns to behave on a Sikh forum he should not be given freedom to post his anti Sikh lies here.

Tully may be a respected journalist for the majority community. Not Sikhs. The only fault Sikhs have in regards to operation bluestar is that they dared to defend themselves instead of surrendering like cowards against an army which came equipped with all the weapons of a conventional war. Anandpur Sahib resolution is not castiest and neither is it sectarian or sexist. Show us where before making such blanket statements. It is the HIndus who opposed the Punjabi sooba by disowning their own language(how shameful!). Today Punjab would have been a big state. Punjabi Hindus would have been ruling it had they not disowned their own language by listening to their Arya Samaj leadership. Because of them opposing their own mother tongue, today Punjabi Hindus have become a minority in Punjab, Himachal and Haryana.

Nice song by Sartaaj

Tully is an idiot. He knows if he writes the truth, it will not be a successful hit amongst the majority community of India. He writes whatever his audience(majority community) wants to hear i.e. Sikhs are bad, Bhindranwala bad, Akali Dal bad etc. His book holds no credibility in my eyes.

One must take note of the difference between Hindus of ancient times and these modern Hindutva Hindus. Ancient Hindu warriors followed rules even during war time where civilians, non combatants would not be harmed. But these modern Hindutva Hindus only attack non combatants which include women, children and elderly and are also shamelessly boasting of it too. He is proud of 84 where the well rested and trained Indian army of thousands armed commandos with helicopters, tanks, armered personel carriers, mortars and other sophisticated weapons faced a group of Sikh warriors numbering around 150 who had no combat training or experience in war and were armed with mostly ww1 rifles, hand made bombs yet these 150 warriors fought like lions who gave a bloody nose to the Indian army. Then he is proud of HIndus who attacked Sikh civilians in Delhi and else where after Indira Gandhi's death. This only shows a man who is proud of cowardly attacks on Sikhs and Muslims is himself big coward.

Firstly we need to understand what our purpose is in human existence from Gurbani's perspective. How many Janams have we wandered in various species not knowing when we will get the priceless human form. Finally when we are now fortunate to be born as humans, Gurbani says it is our turn to have Darshan of Vaheguru by means of practicing Gurmat, Naam Simran and doing Sifat Salah of Vaheguru. Our body is like a temple which should be used for purposes of Bhagti and seva of Guru Maharaj. Life is passing us by so fast. When we are young we think have have a lot of years left not realizing that 1/3 of our life is already wasted on childhood. Then we get married and get so busy with our spouse and children, again 2/3 of our life has passed away. Then by the time we are at old age and death happens and we just wasted this whole human existence on this Dunya. Bhagti, Rehit, Kirtan and Gurbani should be a part of our daily routine from a young age.

Personally I'm not shocked at this person's views at all. Before posting here, he and Sher(di khal vich Gidhar) were trying to act as if everything started with Sikhs carrying weapons, while pretending the Hindu extremists in Punjab were all innocent and peaceful. But when Singhs here put all the sequence of events in the right perspective and showed these two chors the mirror of reality, they then exploded with their real anti Sikh views. They could no longer hide it. What he has written here is exactly the kind of terrorists that Sant Jee had to deal with and exactly the kind of people that were dancing and distributing sweets after operation blue star. I don't blame all Punjabi Hindus because vast majority of them are good people and are even following Sikh customs. But their leadership who were heavily influenced by Arya Samaj during the 1947 to the 1990 time period was extremely anti Sikh. They misled Punjabi Hindus into thinking Sikhs are the enemy and must be opposed by all means.

So true. I have rarely come across such shameless people as him and Ekomkar(who I suspect are the same person using different laptops). I have engaged in dialogue with Muslims, Hindus but this person is not here for a serious dialogue. He gets proven wrong in a point then he still repeats that point again and again. If he is going to do what then what's the point of him to posting on this forum? he obviously isn't here to learn but just spread hatred and distort Sikhi.

None of the above. It is because of the lies you spread, it is because of the blatant chori of history you do so shamelessly. This site is for people to come and learn about Sikhi, Sikh ithihas, Sikh sabhyachaar not for chors to come and use this as a platform for spreading anti Sikh propaganda.

You have answers for nothing. You are not here for a constructive dialogue. All you do is repeat your lies and propaganda like a broken record. The fact that you insist on repeating points in which have been proven false shows what your ulterior motive is. I applaud the admins of this forum for not allowing you and your buddy ekumkar to use this site as a platform to spread your anti Sikh poison. I have no problem with Jathadar Jee. Atleast he is making his points in a civilized and brotherly manner. I can respect that even though I may not agree with his views.

Sant Bhindranwale was a straight forward man who spoke the truth from the heart. Yet the urban Hindus who themselves have ulterior motives always tried to create an alternative meaning of his straight forward words.

Hi Ali, People of the book are the Christians, Jews and Sabians, while other non Muslims like Sikhs are not considered People of the Book. Further more, this is a gender based ruling. Meaning a Muslim man is allowed to marry a woman from 'the people of the book' but a non-Muslim man (including who one is people of the book) is not allowed to marry a Muslim woman. I don't blame you for pressuring her to convert to Islam because according Islam you would be liable to go to Jahanam if she remained a non-Muslim(Kafir) because it is considered Haraam for a Muslim man to have sex with a woman who does not belong to the category of Islam or people of the book. And as a Muslim you get brownie points for converting a non Muslim to Islam. So there is certainly pressure for the woman like KDeol to convert to Islam in such a relationship. From what I have seen, the only desi girls who get into such relationships and end up converting are ones who have family problems or who suffer from low self esteem. They end up sacrificing everything for the man including her family relationships, religion etc. while the man does not make such sacrifices for her.

one who does sinful actions like killing Sikhs or does beadbi of Guru Mahraj etc