JungChamkaur

Word makes sense now. No wonder none of your posts make any sense. Definitely seems like your 12 years old. And about your rexdale bullshit... please... your a loser obviously. You and all other desis in Canada who think their hard are nothing... Babbar Khalsa is way above the low street level gunday your tlaking about. Dropping bodies is nothing. Its about who you drop. Bindy Johal isnt going to become Satwant Singh... Kuch sharam kar, fukra jayha. Your druggie friends who are killing each other are losers. Their pawns. Santji and Shaheeds from the 80s are Kings, Bishops and Rooks... realize your place pawn boy. Your so embarrassing.. I am ashamed of you. Your here on this website and were all worried about our girls becoming whores and sons becoming amli phudus and your here praising the lallu mafia who is playing in role in bringing this about? Sharam Kar! "Im in the rex".... the rex is nothing. Were from Punjab.. the dharti where soormay kill drug dealers and rapists, where soormay fight and die for the respect of women and save the gow and gareeb. Bada aiya fukra jatt amliyaan da yaar.

Its so sad we are so weak now.

In defence of Doaba.. the Chamars are only Sarpanch in name. Most pinds are still controlled by old Sarpanchs. They just put a Chamar up for show only.

Has our Panth deteriorated to such an extent that we will let Billiyaan come to our Dar and say whatever they want? This is why we need Santji. Mahapurush Mahabali Soorma who will wake up the sangat. As Bhai PinderpalJi says: "Udhon Daang Si" (referring to the era of SantJi).

To Mr. Singh, 1. I think everyone here believes in Triya Charitar and Bachittar Natak. If you have problems with certain lines in the aforementioned, then please tell us which ones and I am sure some of the more educated Singhs here can explain them in a better manner than someone like me. 2. I dont know if Islam and Hinduism say its ok to kill innocent people. I have come across a lot of claims about the Quran saying its ok to kill Kafirs, but I have never seen this with my own two eyes as I have never read the Quran, so I cant believe its true until then. I dont know where it says its ok to kill innocent people in Hinduism either. Also, like many before me have said: What Hinduism? Which Hinduism? Please be specific here.

Apparently a lot of people follow him.

What the hell is this guy saying?

Look man I dont knwo how many times I have to tell you people... my family personally knows Bhagat Singh's family... he was an atheist. Stop trying to change history, it makes us look STUPID.... well not me but the people here who think otherwise are definitely being ignorant. Go talk to his family and they will tell you themselves. Its not a big deal for you to try to change the facts. As Sher said, and I am happy he said something right, there are plenty of other Sikh soormay. We dont have to try to change history and focus on Bhagat Singh alone. He died and atheist. Simple. Truth. Ask his family.....

Tribes dont and should not denote SOCIAL FUNCTION... SIMPLE. That doesnt mean that you reject it all together. We might as well let Gills marry Gills.... Sikhi does not say destroy your Gotra... it just says that a Gotra should not determine social function. If you destroy tribal history you destroy yourself. Having names that are meaningless like white people is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. We should be proud of our tribal identity. However, it should not tell us what our social function is. Even in the Gita, KrishanJi Maharaj explicitly says caste isnt based on birth but social function and the whole point of the Mahabharat is to elucidate the battle between good(worthy and deserving righteous king) and evil (hereditary king - kaam krodh lobh, moh and hankaar). Even our Guru Sahibaan did not give GurGaddi based on birth. They didnt marry their tribes either. Thats incest in India. Stop mistaking tribal identity for social function. The white last names used to have meanings and origins as well... the capitalist elite destroyed their own history... now no one knows who they are. Tribes tell us who we are and usually most tribes have had different people in them performing different social functions. Hereditary social function is the problem, not the tribal identity. Once we lose our tribal heritage, we will lose everything. We will end up like white people. In better days, all Gills or Sandhus would treat all other Gill girls as their sisters and daughters and were like family. Guru Sahib made all of us family, but not at the cost of destroying Gotra relations. However, today we see barely any emotion towards fellow tribe members. Any community that has lost its tribal heritage falls prey to degradation. Look at blacks in USA, Natives, White people in general. They all lost their tribal history and you see Natives trying hard to save their heritage. Satyug principles dictate that tribes should not denote social function and thats what the Gurus brought back into Kalyug. We might as well let Gills marry Gills then, which I think is absolutely filthy and disgusting.

Straight up Chatanga.

According to this logic, we might as well start criticizing Pehli Patshahi Maharaj for His Sacha Sauda.. he fed Hindu sadhus and sants as seva.... respecting sants, pirs, avtars, mahapurushs etc. is in our Dharam. We are not haters, we are lovers. Guru Vishkarmaji can be someones spiritual Guru, its up to them. But if one is Sikh, for him or her, Guru Vishkarma can still be a person they aspire to in a professional manner. If I love Guru Sahiban, it doesnt mean that I cant respect my political science professors.... and call them Guruji as they have always been called in India. This idea that we can only respect our Gurus and the word Guru can only be used for spiritual Gurus is wrong.

You guys should watch this. This shows the dynamics of advertising and should make us aware of how to counter it and prevent it from destroying Sikhi.

I am not going to fully immerse myself in the arguments between sher and mr.singh, but I can tell you something 100%, Bhagat Singh was atheist. He wrote "Why I am an atheist" after speaking to Bhai Randhir Singhji... if you knew his family they would tell you the same thing. Also, he came from an Arya Samaji family... Bhagat Singh can never fit the Khalistani narrative. Its impossible. You can fully go talk to his family and they will tell you that he died an atheist. He did paath his whole life as a child.. he went to an Arya Samaji school... When he went to jail he was an atheist before he died... his whole family attests to this. End of discussion on Bhagat Singh's atheism. I bet none of you even know his family.... so I think you should stop trying to make things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8gM0Q58iP0

I know for some he is more than a professional Guru. I think this is where we have a fundamental difference with his Bhagats. However, respecting him as a professional Guru does not go against Gurbani in this sense, in my own semi-educated opinion.

Mainu taan "Amandeep Hindustani" Sher da duja account lagda...

Couldnt agree more with you Jonny.

Very interesting story Neo Singh. Can you tell me more details about the stories of Rishi-Munnis at Harmandir Sahib location?

Mistris, or Tharkhans or Ramgarhias, all praise Guru VishkarmaJi. There is nothing wrong with this AT ALL. Guru VishkarmaJi is not a spiritual Guru, but a professor of Architecture in India's ancient universities or Gurukuls. He was not a spiritual Guru. The 10 Gurus did not tell us to forsake our educational Gurus... although nowadays many Tharkhans have started praying to Guru VishkarmaJi, which our Gurus would probably object to. Nevertheless, Guru Vishkarmaji is the Tharkhan community's professional Guru. Likewise, Satyug Kshatriyas had different Gurus for different subjects. The Tharkhans should still respect Guru Vishkarmaji but not as a spiritual Guru because that was not his social function. Also, there is nothing wrong with giving Parnaam to Guru VishkarmaJi for anyone. Its in our culture to bow our head to elders and youngsters alike. So Gurus or professors of such high calibre deserve great respect.

God will send us another leader soon. Hopefully this time our leader will be one that is highly educated in politics and history and has credibility.

Thanks bro. Anyone else here know anyone?

So as long as you use the term "Hindu" to refer to the "bad type" of Hindus, its ok? I guess I should just avoid trying to edit your comments. As far as your claim goes that I dont knkw much about the issues at hand, your right to a certain extent. There are a lot of things I dont know but there are many that I do. And I know one thing for sure that our kom is behind because of rhetoric and discourses that facilitate prejudice. Our kom is goin nowhere... We have professors at great universities and non Sikh profs and doctors who are giving us credibility and your idea of labelling the bad hindus as "hindus" makes us look stupid... Simply put. What normal desis get is the idea that its all hindus and its ok to make such remarks. Then we get cast similarly to arabs who are made out to hate all jews and make statements like yours. "When I say jew im talking about the bad jews otherwise jews are ok, and as i wa saying these jews hate muslims and want to kill us all and are destroyig our religion!"... Just say rss and arya samaj or whatever instead of saying hindu and giving the term your own definition to make it easier for yourself. And how would I see pro Sikhi as anti Hindu lmao. I just think our kom has had enough of these illiterate pindu discourses.

I have already given up on Sher, and I think I am going to have to give up on Jonny too. You must be extremely retarded to think that Hindus are one big homogenous group. To even that that Punjabi Hindus are Arya Samaji or RSS is stupid. To think that all Hindus are Congressiyay is stupid. Jonny, you better wake up. Your embarrassing. I hope you dont ever meet educated people. Imagine how embarrassing it would be if you spoke for us at prominent think tanks. Your rhetoric is what got us labelled as fanatics and extremists in the first place. I dont know about you but most Hindus in Punjab are uneducated normal people who dont know that the Congress and BJP are the same economically, and hence socially. Your blaming the victim. But I guess with your retarded logic, its OK to blame our kids who take Heroin and Cocaine on a regular basis. We should just blame them for their lack of knowledge too. And we should be OK with getting blamed for putting the Badals in power and for being their vote bank.. Imagine your retarded rhetoric coming from the other side. Your pissing me off to a violent extent. We need to a put a muzzle on you. I guess you seek consolation from Sant Bhindranwaleji and justify your speech by referring to his... talk about Hindus as a whole and get mad when Hindus talk about us as a whole... great logic. Wake up buddy. I dont care about Sher as much. Hes Hindu. If he says somethign bad about us and our beliefs hell look bad, not us. The moment you start becoming the spokesperson for Sikhs by making blanket statements, which mostly seem to be endorsed, is the moment we all look bad. Until we put a muzzle on jonny, we might as well forget about reconciliation and our "peaceful" image.

I think that Guru Sahibaan probably were against discrimination more than being against classification or stratification. Since the quote that I was earlier skeptical about (Hum Brahmin ka poot nahi, Kshatriya ka hoon --- sorry for not knowing the Tuk properly) is actually included in Bani, it is clear that stratification is just. Makes sense too. For, Varna are necessary for society to function. If you dont believe in this then read Plato's plagiarist work: The Republic. It is a complete ripoff of Indian society. Also, I remember coming across some Tuks in Shri Sarbloh Granth Sahibji, if I am not mistaken, about Kalyug being an age where Varnas would be composed of beings unfit for their ascribed duties/dharma. Society crumbles when Business communities/ vaishyas rule societies and leave Kshatriyas to become their industrial labor class --- this is whats happened in India. The business class has been successful in their coup and overthrown a society which was functioning pretty well until foreign rule disrupted it. Eventually, Guru Maharaj came onto Earth and re-established Satyug and this time made it the responsibility of all Varnas to contribute to the cause of defence. Being Sikh should not mean that you cannot be in a varna or caste. Its just that if we are Kshatriyas or Brahmins, we should not be discriminating against lower Varnas. The whole Mahabharat is about the emergence of Kalyug principles. Even Gramsci contests that the business class has become the ruling class and relegated other classes to mere labourers. This is the main problem. I am supporting Theocracy here but in light of the recent comments and based on my derived and potentially wrong understanding, tribal identity probably isn't bad, its just the discrimination and the ideology that an individual's tribal background should dictate his/her social function.