mrsingh

Ideally yes bir'ay ... but its ok to be called Jung Singh (Bramptonwala) to avoid confusion on occasion. Jaikaara Ji, presumably you are aware that 90% of the Khalsa Sant-Sipahi in the Ramgarhia Misl were of non-tharkhan ancestry? Ie the sons of erstwhile Brahmins, Jatts, Saini's, Shoemakers, Mazhabi's etc, etc all fought under the leadership of Sardar Jassa Singh (Ramgarhia Misl). The proportion of those of non-kalal ancestry fight under the esteemed leadership of Sardar Jassa Singh (Ahluwalia) was even greater than 90%. That says it all about how united, how casteless our Panth was previously in history and how disgraceful we are in 2014 to have fallen below those levels of adherence to Gurmat. The least we should do is strive for all Gurdwara's to be saanjhe and united within 5 years, matrimonial apartheid to be left as the preserve of Hindu's and Muslims and for all social stratification within the Panth to be eliminated not only on our hearts but also as visibly seen in academic results of all whether poor or rich, timka ja flaana. It has existed. The Panj Piare are the foremost and first example of that as a microcosm. For a hundred odd years such a society was mirrored ... our departure from the ethos of the founding principles of the Khalsa Panth have led us to where we are today in 2014. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZBKeI4ac8 Bhai Lalo Ji and Sardar Jassa Singh and Bhai Sukha Singh ... none of them gave a damn about the fictitous imaginary Vishwakarma. They saw themselves as Sikhs alone. Their orginal ancestry simply highlights their immense contribution to Sikh itihaas (as many enemies of Sikh like to portray us as being only from ancestry that comprises less than 50% of the Panth) . Sikhi alone defined them and all of our Panth de Heere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5ZV9LeVk0

We don't need a single leader. We have the Panj Piare and consensus of Guru Panth that we can actively play our own role in to change our own so-called destiny in relation to female infanticide or illiteracy or poverty or drugs usage or social stratification to name but five important issues plaguing us. Waiting for a messiah or praying for one will not advance us one jot. Sardar Kapur Singh was dismissed on politically motivated charges under the pretext of corruption. Morally corrupt are those like Indira Gandhi that order and carry out the murder of six fugures of innocent human beings for political gain. The same type of charges were also cooked up against General Shabeg Singh due to the fact that he bravely put his life on the line for the defence of his nation from China in 1962, Pakistan in 1965 and in the liberation of Bangladesh (safeguarding millions of Muslim and Hindu Bengali's in the process).

Sher you state that the ASR has communalism, sectarianism, bigotry dripping from it. Your allegation is ridiculous and just pure hype. A humble resolution by the Akali Dal for the best interests of the Sikh Panth (in their vision) to be progressed ... and yet you as someone who proclaims yourself Hindu is incensed and enraged by it! The mere words enrage you! After all, how dare these wretched Sikhs dare to think on how best they can progress as a Qaum. How do you think Sikhs feel when our Qaum is the one that has undergone an entire Genocide at the hands of their very "own" so-called Government that were in fact terrorists (GOI). Parts that don't stand up to scrutiny I see something imho that is fundamentally correct and a bit of re-drafting and updating would easily fix. I fully support the main thrust of the ASR in as far as it was a wholly honest attempt to progress the affairs of our Qaum. So much for a so-called Sikh theocracy in 2014 where so-called Hindu migrants prefer it as a destination to other more "racist" Hindu majority states. Merely studying the Bhagawat Gita or Holy Quran to see what they have to say in relation to the sanctification+justification of the caste system, rape, paedophilia, imperialism etc is no crime. However, the paath Bhagat Singh did was actually JapJi Sahib the paath.

Why not, if there's a level playing field? Sikhi has nothing to fear from those theologists that believe in Ganesh and Hanuman nor those that believe in a slaveowner and peadophile from Mecca. Taksal and Nihangs are about as Sanatani as they come in my eyes and I don't have a problem with them doing their own thing. Each to their own. Where we disagree, let's debate it and let the truth prevail. However, the purchase of poor souls into a faith by financial means is disgusting and i consider that to be below the belt. I'm absolutely confident that if 1000million babies were raised to have equal academic knowledge of Sikhi, Islam and Hinduism then 90% of the children would choose Sikhi as their natural faith, the one they gravitate towards and agree with deep within their heart. Sure you'd get the odd person who would think that slavery and peadophilia is all rather cool and divine and perhaps monkeys and elephants would hold some enchantment for children ... but as adults I would be pretty sure that Gurmat as an ideology compared to Hanuman or Sharia would connect with more souls intellectually rather than the opposite way round. Sikhi doesn't need protection - it just needs more exposure to non-Punjabi masses. Instead of the ridiculous concept (that some believe in) of Hinduism supposedly swallowing Sikhi ... the reality is that the Truth of Sikhi can make most so-called Hindu's realise that they actually have more faith in Sikhi than monkeys and elephant gods or much of what is in Manu Smriti relating to caste discrimination. And that's why the enemies of Sikhs want us to blanketly hate all Hindu's ... so that we cannot communicate the Truth to their political base ... we need to rise above that ... and make all brothers and sisters in other non-Punjabi speaking states realise that Sikhi is in fact their natural faith and the Truth which merely wishes for Sarbat Da Bhala (the welfare of all).

Let me preface my response to you by saying that I do not support the same tired old slogans for Khalistan that have not advanced our Qaum one iota in the last 30 years and that I strongly want our Panth to avoid that word as a dangerous distraction from the bigger more important short term objectives we face and should tackle related to human development of the Sikh Panth in terms of the indices of poverty, health, illiteracy, ending drugs usage and curtailing alcohol consumption, killing off social and tribal stratification as well as the evil practise of female infanticide. Thereafter, once those indices actually reflect progress for the first time since 1984, i can only envision an independent Punjab if Pakistan were to by luck disintegrate into linguistic successor states thereby allowing India, in consequence, to peacefully transition into linguistic successor states similarly (that could arguably share a common defensive pact and currency as stated in the Anandpur Sahib Resolution which was merely a federalist proposal). Once we as a Qaum are fully strong ourselves then we can focus more towards seva for non-Sikhs too as Sikhi's main aim is merely for Sarbat Da Bhala. 1. You are wrong. Khalistan was coined by by Sikh leadership in 1940. Perhaps i should have said regurgitated and re-circulated by Indira Gandhi. However, the fact remains that the Anandpur Sahib Resolution, which was simply federalist in nature (and which would have strengthened India's Unity) was deliberately derailed by Indira Gandhi re-introducing the word Khalistan to whip up Hindutva votebank for herself and paint Sikhs as traitors+extremists in the process. Sikhs were a sovereign nation in 1849, so given the events of 1947 and the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in which 20% of our Qaum was killed off in Pakistan it is understandable that some Sikhs mooted the re-establishment of an independent Sikh state. 2. I see a total denial of the massacres and selective killings committed by the Sikh terrorists post 1978. is this omission accidental or you have something to hide? True Sikhs cannot be terrorists. Sikhi unequivocally condemns terrorism targetted against innocents. Self-defence during the Genocide of lakhs of Sikhs cannot be termed terrorism. However, my current vision is that Khalsa Raj should indeed be established all across India as a pre-cursor to Global "Just Rule" (Khalsa Raj) rather than simply a vision confined to a small area in India where Punjabi is spoken. 3. You need to get some Assembly seats to show Khalistan (or whatever name you would like to give to it) has some support in Punjab (all across India, are you really serious or completely delusioned?) I agree with you that there is very limited political support for Khalistan in India in 2014. Khalsa Raj across all of India is not an Empire in the same sense of the Nehru-Gandhi terrorist Empire. It is a premise based upon just rule for all for the welfare of all. No matter how unlikely that may seem today i do wish to see just rule globally and across all of India as Sikhi's parameters do not stop at Punjab. Sikhi is a universal faith for the betterment of all humanity. Nevertheless, if anti-Sikh policies continue against Sikhs and there is no justice within India or increased federalism I would support the democratic right of a population to achieve independence albeit if that area were limited to east Punjab state. 4. That's total misrepresentation of the ground reality - Sikhs enjoy complete freedom, privileges in India. Sikh majority state is THE MOST PROSPEROUS state in India. You cannot have such riches if you are being discriminated against. India must be the only country where there is no income tax on the farming sector and number of other state policies, subsidies favour sikh farmers. I have given my evidence that there is no discrimination now it is your turn to give solid facts to establish your anti-Sikh policies argument. You are absolutely correct that in no way, shape or form can Sikhs be called slaves in India when they are richer on average than Hindu's, are leading the country as Prime Minister, as Head of the Indian Army, as economic planners and chief UN representatives. Nevertheless there is a layer of the Indian bureaucratic system and judiciary that does indeed discriminate against Sikhs. Sikh victims of state-sponsored Genocide against Sikhs still have not received justice, they allow drugs to freely circulate in Punjab in order to deliberately drug out the youth and there is deliberate discrimination in the fields of education, Punjabi language and the freedom of political prisoners. Furthermore, prices for agricultural produce are artificially determined at low prices by central government so that is also tantamount to discrimination against Sikhs. Given that Delhi by virtue of its terrorist Genocide of Sikhs morally vacated the right to govern Sikh affairs in 1984, should ordinary Sikhs continue to suffer discrimination in the forms outlined it is inevitable that clamour for freedom from Delhi would increase. The best way you can be part of the solution is by joining the demand for full justice for Sikhs so that all communities can concentrate on mutual development rather than antagonism. Having said that, an independent Punjab would be able to source coal other than from Bihar 5. Like what? from Indonesia or Australia by Dreamliners? Please elaborate. Absolutely. There is not only one location that can provide coal. Aside from that Punjab has plentiful solar power possibilities and renewable energies are what would be best for the long term. The bottom line is that Punjab's Sikhs and Hindu's and others are industrious enough to generate electricity in the event that they democratically choose to peacefully establish an independent nation free from Delhi's interference. A peaceful velvet divorce as achieved in Czechoslovakia would not hinder Punjab from continuing to get coal from Bihar and indeed other successor independent states like Gujarat, Bijhar continuing to get agricultural produce from Punjab. and it would be able to get better prices for its agricultural produce as well. 6. From whom? the price of the APs would go up once water, diesal, fertilizers, power et al are more expensive. India can import lakhs of tonnes from canada, USA or Australia at much more competitive prices (hundreds of crores spent on subsidies to Punjab farmers if we are to consider them a separate unit would be saved). Then why doesn't India do just that? Let Punjab's agricultural produce be sold globally to the highest bidder with the trade off that subsidies offered to all Indian farmers are not offered in Punjab. True that the price of AP would go up in an independent Punjab but that would negate market demand for the same and a breadbasket type nation would hardly go begging given rising AP prices. Mutually beneficial riparian agreements would need to be worked out for the benefit of all. 7. Mutually beneficial? what benefits Himachal gets for giving water to Punjab? Himachal much more poorer than Punjab, why not profit from its most precious resource - water? Mutually beneficial would be that Himachal could indeed charge for its water to a limited level as mandated per UN guidelines for water sharing but with Punjab thereafter free to charge Rajasthan subsequently for diverting water resources to them that it needs for itself. But a new state would need armed forces to ensure its own safety from extrenal threats and to tackle drugs smuggling from Pakistan etc. 8. Punjab has its own police force, we are talking about lakhs of army and para military jawans. giving employment to such a massive army would alone send Punjab/Khalistan broke. where the revenue would come from? Only industrialists and businessmen (mostly Hindu) pay income and other taxes in Punjab which is not enough. with exodus of these industrialists from Punjab once Khalistan is announced, you would be left with a v small percentage of tax paying population. Lakhs of army jawans is not a problem to accommodate. In fact the army discipline would help to build a nation up development wise even quicker. They could be deployed to counter inflow of Pakistani drugs, to counter drug dealers across Punjab, to enforce anti-infanticide laws, to make Punjab roads civilised, to deal with infrastructure issues, rebuild schools, ensure the death of social straification and so on ... any surplus forces can readily be offered to the UN for peacekeeping services (who would pay their wages to boot). The Khalsa Panth will never go extinct no matter how much the RSS may wish for that. Even if 5 brave men from Gujarat, Orissa, South India, Hastinapur and present day Pakistan stood up in 1699 out of a Sangat of 50,000 the concept of the Khalsa Panth as a global force for ensuring justice, peace, equality and unity worldwide will never perish. 9. I hope so too but the signs are no good. Sikh youth cutting hair in increasing number. atheism increasing along with materialism. More Sikh youth also realising spirituality has got nothing to do with growing hair or shaving heads. Tat Khalsa fraud being exposed gradually. we are not living in 17th century, youth with unshorn also want to be part of the global village and looked down upon as a freak or a bigot living in medieval days. Khalsa panth as... c'mon my friend, get real. Khalsa panth failed to give justice even to fellow (non-confirmist) Sikhs and innocent Punjabi civilians who were butchered in 1978-1993 period. get over such egalitarian ideals even Akal Takht doesnt believe in. Khalsa Panth won't vanish due to some Sikh youth on drugs cutting their hair. In facts that cuts out the element from the Khalsa Panth who are not truly committed. When it comes to the Khalsa Panth as a small part of the wider Sikh community we simply need quality rather than quantity. When Panj Piare stood up as 5 from a Sangat of 50,000 that was enough to eternally establish the Khalsa Panth. You're correct that spirituality is not gained by merely keeping kes or shaving one's head. True Sant-Sipahi balance with the emphasis on seva whilst keeping Rehat will bless the Amritdhari and society far more than one changing hairstyle to keep up with western fashion trends. If the Khalsa Panth was unable to prevent the Genocide of lakhs of Sikhs by terrorist central government from Delhi in the 1980's and 1990's then all that tells me is that there needs to a be a greater population of the wider Sikh Panth out of which a greater number of truly commiitted Amritdhari's can arise. If the Mughals ruled India for a thousand years it doesn't spell to me that Islam is the correct way whilst Sikhi is wrong. Egalitarian ideals are at the heart of what Sikhi is about. You are absolutely right that currently there is no democratic support of any consequence for Khalistan. However, Khalistan is not a Jat-centric idea. 11. Please name top 10 Khalistan leaders and let us see how many of them were non-Jats. How many Khali terrorists were non-jats - manochahl...who else? Given that freedom from state sponsored Government of India was opposed by all sections of the Panth, your point is misleading. Those that advocate a Sikh state, whatever their faults, cannot ever be accused of being casteist. Each and every Khalsa Sikh sees themself as casteless. Those who retain affiliation to a caste are simply not Sikh. This is common knowledge in Punjab but not widely known in anti-Sikh circles ... that the percentage of Sikhs of a Jatt tribal background is just under 50%. So your assumption based on the fact that General Brar, KPS Gill, Sidhu of Dera Sirsa and Dhillon of the Radha Swami's are all from one community and thus so must those who opposed the terrorist Government of India back then is totally wrong. That is simply RSS propaganda. Most Jats are in fact Muslim and with Hindu Jats like Sajjan Kumar and his tribesmen from Haryana Jats very much anti-Sikh. 12. You are distracting here. We know the demographics but you may like to give some evidence for your latter assertion about the HJs, Thanks. and why bring in RSS everywhere? I that collective Panth khatre ch hai! paranoia? RSS or anti-Sikh whatever you may like to call it. It's common knowledge that it was Hindu Jatts who were Bhajan Lal's main hound dogs and that Delhi Police in 1984 (as now) is heavily dominated by Hindu Jatts. It's amazing that 80% of Jatts are non-Sikh but the anti-Sikh opponents have nothing better to throw at the Qaum than it supposedly being a caste-centric Qaum when the demographics and our itihaas prove otherwise. You may even be surprised to know that in Punjab the Jatts don't even have a monopoly upon farming any more. Even in Punjab Jats are 30% or less of the population and everyone is well aware of which community General Brar, KPS Gill, Beant (CM) hail from. Support for the idea of Khalistan was a response to the terrorist Genocide of the Sikh population by Indira Gandhi and her son via their proxies. 13. Support, what support you are talking about? I was referring to the historical support that existed at the height of the Genocide of Sikhs by the then Government of India Switzlerland and Austria are also landlocked countries both far more prosperous, democratic and peaceful than other countries with a coastline. 14. Apples and oranges my friend. S&A are surrounded by co-religionist, developed countries who are part of the EU. Not really. The criteria for the success of a landlocked nation first and foremost is good governance. If countries like Mongolia, Ethiopia, Bhutan and almost 50 countries (many of whom have smaller populations that Punjab) can survive then so could an independent Punjab. After democratic elections in 1997 support for Khalistan waned considerably as a consequence and even more so after Manmohan Singh became Prime Minister of India in 2004. 15. Khalistan movement was defeated convincingly and terror acts came down considerably by 1993. 1997 as you can see came much later and MMS...well, 11 years later. The desire for an end to terrorist central Government of India rule was suppressed by the Genocide of an entire generation of Sikhs. The government's Black Cats did indeed slow down their terror acts by the mid 1990's but please note that terror acts against innocent civilians cannot be committed by true Sikhs is Sikhi is 100% vehemently against terrorism. Those that commit wanton terror targetting civilians cannot be classified as Sikh. The Khalistan movement was not a Jat movement full stop. 16. Khali movement was a Jat dominated. Only the RSS push that lie. Hardly so just because all the Congress MP's in Punjab at the time were overwhelmingly Jatt as was KPS Gill and most of the higher echelons of the murdering Punjab Police back then ... it does not automatically automatically translate that thus those who opposed the state terrorists must all have been Jatt as well. It was an organic response by all sections of the Panth to persecution, terrorism and state sponsored Genocide against the Sikhs in the years primarily between 1984-1995. As terrorism against Sikhs diminished so did the desire within the Sikh Panth increase to resolve matters via dialogue . 17. Again RSS! why bring on those nikardhari idiots in this debate whenever a Sikh related issue is being debated? Anti-Sikh or Hindutva or RSS or Arya Samaj ... their agenda against the Panth is one and the same - to falsely denigrate and slander the Sikh Panth. And they do so because they fear the societal impact Sikhi can bring to curtail their corruption via divide and rule tactics. Sikhi's message of universal brotherhood, peace, equality, healthcare for all, an end to poverty etc are exactly what the anti-Sikh enemies cannot stomach as they know that once that (Khalsa Raj) occurs their exploitation of the poor's blood, sweat and tears cannot continue in those circumstances.

The best way for the two communities to reconcile is for us as Sikhs not to see one billion so-called Hindu's as a monolith block of supposed opponents but as mainly being sehajdhari Sikhs if only we could better explain what Sikhi stands for to them (even if they mainly stay in sehajdhari form). Sikhi stands for Sarbat Da Bhala, Kirat Karo, Vand Chhako, Naam Japo. If the majority of so-called Hindu's (as deliberately defined by the small but powerful minority of Hindutva forces) cannot be open-mindedly encouraged to agree with Sikhi's aims and objectives then there is something seriously lacking in our parchaar and perhaps the close-mindedness (parochialism) of our vision. 99% of Punjab's so-called indigenous Hindu's are in fact sehajdhari Sikhs who will naturally gravitate away from Ganesh and Hanuman in time to bow once more before Guru Sahib if we encourage them with an open heart (rather than wrongly thinking of them as non-Sikhs since 1950 as the Hindutva agenda wishes us to see normal so-called HP's as). Every time we label Hindu's as some kind of monolith block our real Hindutva opponents clap their hands in glee at us losing a population pool from which the Sikh Panth could be immeasurably strengthened to fight for Sarbat Da Bhala and the betterment of all innocent people's lives.

Sikhi refutues tribal identity as an utter irrelavance and total falsehood. Vasakhi 1699 and the birth of the Khalsa Panth instruct us clearly on that. Given that Guru Sahib told us to abandon our tribal history and drop our gotra's do you think it was probable that Guru Sahib would waste time in the middle of fighting for Sarbat Da Bhala, fighting oppression, fighting for the needs of the poor and oppressed etc, etc to mention the history of his supposed lineage given that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj continually stressed the need for "kul nash" (non-tribal identity). Please read what Dr Davinder Singh from Grand Prairie, Alberta and Global Sikh Studies has to say in his analysis of that. I believe Gurmat advises us that we should never use caste-affiliated Gotra's (though the odd geographic village based names may help avoid confusion if used without pride in brackets).

Paji, you are a legend and inspiration to me, but why do you insist on connecting the words Singh Sabha with right wing ideology? Lahore Singh Sabha under Giani Ditt Singh bought lakhs of Hindu's and Muslims into the Panth. Could they have done so if they were as black and white as you paint them to be? Sikhi is open to all full stop. Those that claim different are clearly determined to keep the Sikh population as small as possible so that we cannot collectively effect societal change for the betterment of all globally (but continue to suffer discrimination as a powerless and microscopic global community). But I agree with the general direction of everything you said apart from the first sentence! Again Paji i agree with much of what you say but I have to again strongly disagree where you falsely slander Singh Sabha. Lahore Singh Sabha were at the forefront of fighting the Hindu Mahants that discriminated against so-called low castes. Unless you more likely meant to state Taksal and Nihangs against whom there is indeed evidence of this depraved discrimination in the 20th centrury. Hence, why so many Hindu's came into the Sikh Panth through the Lahore Singh Sabha's push for equality as preached in Gurbani to be put into practice. Giani Ditt Singh as the leading voice and brains of Lahore Singh Sabha was absolutely hated by the Hindu's and Muslims alike for, according to them, being a chamar who had the intelligence to demolish any Islamic or Hindu argument. To us Sikhs, of course, we are proud of Khalsa Ji Giani Ditt Singh who fought tirelessly against caste and against various other evils afflicting our society increased after 1849. Hans Raj Hans always was and still is a Sikh. The 1950 SGPC definition of what defines a Sikh was a deliberate attempt by the Panth's enemies to limit the population of the Sikh Panth to as small a minority as possibile and to facilitate the absorption of non-Punjabi Sikhs in other states into the classification of Hindu and thereby increase the political "Hindu" votebank. Dal Singh is a legend but I disagree that HRH was never Sikh. I respect HRH to the maximum for his efforts as a Sikh (of Sufi tendencies) to combat the wretched practise of female infanticide. HRH bows Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and since that alone was the puratan definition of what defines a Sikh that is good enough for me. I dislike prayers at gravesides but classifying him a non-Sikh will not discourage the practise but encouraging him to study Gurbani in greater depth may well. He is 100% Sikh. You should be aware that he even fought on the Akali Dal ticket in Jalandhar. Glad to see him denounce the false Pakistani propaganda as being blatantly fake. Kuldip Manak was not Muslim. Though he was born as Latif Mohd on hearing the bravery of Banda Singh Bahadur and Banda Singh Bahadur's jouney towards Amrit, he took the name Kuldip Singh. His burial was staged by Muslim members of his family unhappy at his open discarding of Islam in his life decades ago merely for the reason of seeking to save face within the Ummah. What surprises me is that Yudhvir Manak, his son (a Sikh) permitted his so-called estranged Muslim family members to pull such a stunt in Punjab of all places. Kuldip Singh Manak's antim Ardas was done at a Gurdwara and not at a Mosque. The Sufi Dera that HRH is to a limited degree involved with does not have any faith in Islam. It merely stresses upon the oneness of God. I don't agree with HRH's beliefs but he is absolutely Sikh and his activism in respect of female infanticide garner my respect for him on that alone. I wish all gravestones be discarded as places of worship personally but each to his own, the Truth will triumph in the end. That was all politics inspired by Muhammad Izhar Alam, who realised that open admission of Kuldip Manak as a non-Muslim would open the floodgates for Muslims in Punjab to gravitate towards Sikhi. What's sad is that some Sikhs (following Badal's directions to allow Alam to control the matter) allowed this despite the fact Kuldip Singh Manak was a Sikh. Albeit Kuldip Manak was a sehajdhari Sikh but his funeral had a Qazi to simply ensure a political funeral in the name of all religions being equally correct in their ideology ... regardless of whether Kuldip Manak agreed with the rape, slavery and paedophilia supported in the Quran or not.

You are correct that current so-called HP's should not be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors. However, you will be held accountable for acting as an open propaganda apologist for the injustices and Genocide meted out to the Sikhs in the 1980's and 1990's and associating Sikhs with terrorism when you know full well that Sikhi vehemently opposes terrorism targetting innocents. None of the Guru Sahiban were Hindu. Na koi Hindu nai koiee Mussalman from Gurbani is pretty unequivocal. None of the Bhagats were Hindu or Muslim. Hindu anna, Turk (Mussalmaan) kaana by Dhan Dhan Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj is pretty instructive in that respect. Dhan Dhan Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj lambasted the falsehood of Islam's support for slavery, rape and various sexual philia. True souls that connect solely with God cannot be insulted by bracketing them as Hindu's or Muslims given the discriminatory, anti-human, anti-equality and anti-justice ideologies that those two large faiths Hinduism and Islam both stand for in their sacred texts.

Terrorism targetting innocents has no place in Sikhi and no connection to it. Those that commit terrorist act specifically against innocents cannot be Sikh. You are correct that the majority of Government Terror victims (Black Cats) who often falsely claimed terrorism in the name of pseudo-Sikh organisations were overwhelmigly Sikh. Each and every Sikh condemns the murder of innocent Hindu victims killed by the GOI in order to malign Sikhs as a people (simply for daring to ask for justice and equality for all). You are correct that 1849 did occur, in part, due to anti-Gurmat practices sadly increasing amongst leaders of the Sikhi nation in the latter years of the 1840's particularly. That does not mean that British or Dogra's were not central to the events of 1849. Sikhi will never die, it's an ideology of Truth that can never be defeated. If we can get our act together then we can use the Dera's in order to bring more and more so-called Hindu's to the truth of Sikhi and similarly so with the so-called Hindu migrants in Punjab. It will be our stupidity if we cannot communicate the greatness of Bihar's greatest son - Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. The more Hindu and Muslim trolls like you hate us the better as it only soldifies our Unity and determination to revitalise the Panth and work for the welfare of all (Sikh and non-Sikh alike). Khalsa Sikhs did not fight for the British. Kesdhari Sikhs may have fought for the British alongside the bulk of British forces that were Hindu and Muslim but the pristine Khalsa Panth will never fight for money or the wordly gain of evil empires. The Khalsa Panth will only ever fight for defense of the poor and weak and to ensure the welfare of entire humanity. True Khalsa's do not become so in order to get a job as you mention the way many Hindu's allegedly did so. You are correct that the Congress and RSS and Arya Samaj jointly supported plan is to splinter the second biggest demographic component of the Panth away from the Panth. However, honest Sikhs are wise to this and the endemic corruption within Dera Ballan mean that if we as a Panth can kill off biraderi issues present within the Panth this issue can be addressed. If enough so-called Sikhs are not vehemently anti-caste then our numbers deserve to go down. I am hopeful that this issue designed to splinter the Qaum can result in greater Unity as a consequence of following Gurmat and an obliteration of tribal identities as the Khalsa Panth exemplifies. By the way, all Sikhs are Ravidassia by virtue of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj's words that we bow down before in humility every day. The great Giani Ditt Singh of Lahore Singh Sabha gets the greatest credit for revitalising Sikhi in the latter half of the 19th century. Interestingly enough, he was what you would term a Ravidassia - but to us he was a Gurmukh of the highest - just like Shaheed Baba Sangat Singh from a similar background who led the Khalsa Fauj. Once the Dera Ballan lies against great Amritdhari Sikhs such as these are countered it should be a short consequence for our Jatav and Chamar brothers and sisters throughout other non-Punjabi speaking Indian states to reconnect themselves as beloved and integral members of the Sikh Panth. Tony Singh was referring to the current day geographical Punjab's population being 54% Sikh in 1961. Had all Hindu's who actually spoke Punjabi in 1961 correctly returned their language honestly then inevitably Sikhs would have been a minority in the newly created Punjab state. The fact that Sikhs wished for their Hindu brothers and sisters to be a majority in 1960's Punjab proves that Sikhs were not communal but their opponents who lied about their mother tongue were. If Sikhs campaigned to get a Hindu majority Punjabi-speaking state so that they speak their mother tongue as other states were permitted to do, then how can you blame the communal division of Punjabi-speaking areas of Punjab on anybody else other than those misguided individuals who under Arya Samaj influence pretended to have a different mother tongue to the one that they actually spoke? So Sikh politicians were wrong to campaign for their constituents both Hindu and Sikh alike being able to speak their mother tongue as an official language. Presumably by your logic, if the British Empire were to ban use of Hindi then that would also be justified with Hindi speakers being communal for wishing to be educated in their own mother tongue? Why do you oppose such basic human rights? Do you think the world will be a better place when Hindi dies out in India to be replaced by English? Why do you call a secular state a so-called quasi-Khalsa theocratic state? How are Hindu's discriminated in Punjab currently? Hindu's are wealthier in Punjab and numerically over-represented in government positions. Migrants constantly state that there is less discrimination in Punjab than other Hindu majority states. Sikhs do not hate Hindu's. What we do fail at realising is that most so-called Hindu's would turn to Sikhi if only we were more open-minded and explained the ideology of Sikhi with pyaar rather than judgementally. No Sikh can openly state that innocent Hindu's be killed and either retain any credibility within the Sikh masses or be seriously considered a man of God. Terrorism is the antithesis of Sikhi. Sikhi condemns terrorism in a way that Islam, Christianity and Hinduism cannot by virtue of the fact that they built their populations off the back of terrorism and ensalvement. If one states that the Indian state's media will accuse him of wanting to murder innocents (despite his condemantion of the same) that does not make the man in question a terrorist. If Taksal were terrorists then why did they campaign for Indira Gandhi in the 1980 elections? Not a single true Sikh will ever justify attacks on Punjab's minorities - the proof of this is that in June 1984 and November 1984 innocent Hindu's were not killed in revenge attacks as Sikhi is crystal clear that innocents should not be held accountable for the actions of supposed co-religionists. The reality is that 30years after 1984 more and more so-called Hindu's (as defined by the RSS) are re-attending Gurdwara's in ever greater numbers which makes them our brother and sister Sikhs within the Panth (if only we stop adhering unwittingly to RSS-influenced definitions of what constitutes a Sikh vis a vis Hindu in order to constrain the population of Sikhs to as small a number as possible in order to constrain our greater strength in Unity). Shashi Kant is an excellent example of such a sehajdhari Sikh. So the human right to be able to speak one's mother tongue is a communal demand according to you? If the aim of Sikhs was to capture power, how exactly would they have done so in a Hindu-majority Punjab-speaking state? Nobody hates all so-called Hindu Punjabi's - the vast majority of whom are in fact simply sehajdhari Sikhs (if only all parties realised). Those Hindu Punjabi's that are disliked are the small minority of our vocal enemies such as the Shiv Sena, Arya Samaj and RSS types. Sikhs do not kill innocents. The Khalsa Panth and more generally the Sikh Panth vehently oppose terrorism. Air India 182 was a RAW false flag operation. Dozens of innocent Sikhs were killed and every Sikh mourns the loss of all innocent victims of that flight. Bring forth any so-called Sikh who had delberately targetted any innocent and Sikhs themselves will be the first to eliminate such false and evil individuals. The problem with your other analogies is that the 99.99% majority of Sikhs opposed their oppressors in the form of the Mughal Empire, Abdali, Dyer, British Empire, Indira Gandhi, RAW terrorists in their attacks against their Sikh victims whereas those whom we oppose (the Hindutva and Arya Samaj types) fully applauded state terrorism. You are absolutely correct to highlight that 90% plus of ordinary so-called Hindu's have no connection to the same (any more than we Sikhs are connected to KPS Gill) and I believe your point in that respect will be helpful to us understanding that most so-called Hindu's are in fact sehajdhari Sikhs if only we can make them realize that via pyaar and open-mindedness rather than copying pro-Hindutva definitions which seek to limit the population of those classed as Sikhs.

Banda Singh Bahadur was born a Hindu and indeed believe in Hinduism in his younger years. However, all that changed when he met the truth of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. He received Amrit from Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and in course became the leader of the Khalsa Fauj. Similarly, Bhagat Singh was always Sikh and died an Amritdhari (albeit that he may have confused his desire to help humanity via direct seva as communist ideals when in fact they are direct commandments of Sikhi). Of course all communities that speak Indic languages have an equal connection to Sanskrit. The word Sikh itself derives from a Sanskrit root (unlike the more recent word Hindu coined by Arabs). It's one thing to be against Khalistan as most Sikhs currently oppose it too. You can democartically and academically make your arguments against why you oppose it. However, why do you feel the need to slander Sikhs in the process given that Sikhi is 100% against terrorism and Sikhs are the overwhelming victims of state sponsored terrorism by Indira Gandhi, her son and their loyal bureaucratic and armed proxies. If you want to see support for Khalistan diminish you are best advised to do as the AAP are doing in pushing the agenda of long awaited justice for Sikhs. If Kejriwal is a sehajdhari Sikh of whom I am proud there is no reason that you yourself cannot likewise become a brother sehajdhari Sikh in the future too rather than continuing as a mouthpiece for Hindutva and Arya Samaj type opinions on this forum. Central to this is acknowledging that terrorism and Sikhi are terms that can never be associated with each other. Once you understand you will begin to understand that Sikhi's simple political aim is the welfare of all humanity - Sarbat Da Bhala.

My family were against Khalistan, the term coined by Indira Gandhi prior to 1984. The actions of the terrorist central government and their proxies 1984-1995 compelled me to support Khalistan as a way of obtaining freedom from terrorist central government rule and Genocide of Sikhs during that period. However, my current vision is that Khalsa Raj should indeed be established all across India as a pre-cursor to Global "Just Rule" (Khalsa Raj) rather than simply a vision confined to a small area in India where Punjabi is spoken. Nevertheless, if anti-Sikh policies continue against Sikhs and there is no justice within India or increased federalism I would support the democratic right of a population to achieve independence albeit if that area were sadly limited to east Punjab state. Having said that, an independent Punjab would be able to source coal other than from Bihar and it would be able to get better prices for its agricultural produce as well. Mutually beneficial riparian agreements would need to be worked out for the benefit of all. But a new state would need armed forces (so Sikh soldiers would hardly be unemployed as you suggested) to ensure its own safety from extrenal threats and to tackle drugs smuggling from Pakistan etc. The Khalsa Panth will never go extinct no matter how much the RSS may wish for that. Even if 5 brave men from Gujarat, Orissa, South India, Hastinapur and present day Pakistan stood up in 1699 out of a Sangat of 50,000 the concept of the Khalsa Panth as a global force for ensuring justice, peace, equality and unity worldwide will never perish. You are absolutely right that currently there is no democartic support of any consequence for Khalistan. However, Khalistan is not a Jat-centric idea. That is simply RSS propaganda. Most Jats are in fact Muslim and with Hindu Jats like Sajjan Kumar and his tribesmen from Haryana Jats very much anti-Sikh. Even in Punjab Jats are 30% or less of the population and everyone is well aware of which community General Brar, KPS Gill, Beant (CM) hail from. Support for the idea of Khalistan was a response to the terrorist Genocide of the Sikh population by Indira Gandhi and her son via their proxies. Switzlerland and Austria are also landlocked countries both far more prosperous, democratic and peaceful than other countries with a coastline. After democratic elections in 1997 support for Khalistan waned considerably as a consequence and even more so after Manmohan Singh became Prime Minister of India in 2004. The Khalistan movement was not a Jat movement full stop. Only the RSS push that lie. It was an organic response to persecution, terrorism and state sponsored Genocide against the Sikhs in the years primarily between 1984-1995. As terrorism against Sikhs diminished so did the desire to resolve matters via dialogue increase within the Sikh Panth. All Sikhs are Ravidassi Sikhs by virtue of the fact that we bow to the words of Dhan Dhan Baba Ravidas Ji Maharaj daily. If you are referring to the Congressi sect centered at Ballan their apartheid like view of Hindu Chamars only marrying Hindu Chamars may garner some support in the short term but it is an organisation that will hopefully fail in tandem with its Congress paymasters. Khalsa Raj should indeed be global. Peace, justice, education for all, healthcare for all are aims the Khalsa Panth will continue to fight for until they are achieved globally. Logically, Khalsa Raj cannot stop at just Malwa, Majha and Doaba and nor indeed India for that matter. There was a Gurdwara in Baghdad in Iraq hundreds of year ago, however fervent Islam reduced it to dust and re-branded as a Pir's tomb when in fact Pir Bahlol was a Sikh of Guru Nanak. If you don't care what happens after you die, why are so against the Sikh faith by spewing such false propaganda against Sikhs? Bhagat Singh, Udham Singh, Kartar Singh indeed had desh prem in trying to free slaves from the ghulaami of the British. However, their vision of justice was universal and they did not do their actions simply to give freedom to Indians. They wanted universal Justice as Sikhi continually emphasises Sarbat Da Bhala. Punjab di laaj, Hind di laaj etc are essentially anti-Gurmat non-universal messages. Sikhi is universal for the betterment of all humanity, Sikh and non-Sikh alike. Bhagat Singh was an Amritdhari Sikh just prior to his shaheedi. Bhai Randhir Singh was a great influence in guiding towards this way. Essentially the discrimination inherent in so-called religions of God like Islam and Hinduism horrified as did the suffering of the poor and innocent - whom Guru Sahib had taught the Khalsa Panth to fight on behalf of. Upon understanding the meaning of Vasakhi 1699 readily took Amrit and gained shaheedi as an Amritdhari Sikh. Sikhi is against pride. One's language is not as pertinent as one's actions on behalf of the better of humanity's condition. Hindi is not mocked for being a language whose name has Arabic origins. Why you feel the desire to speak Punjabi is madness or fanaticism I'm not quite sure!? Surely all human beings have the birthright to speak their mother tongue without another language being forced down their throats?