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And Abdali also made an immediate peace deal to avoid further war between the two sides, and actually admits the marathas fought like lions and apologizes for the death of the Peshwa's son. I guess you missed that as well. Where were our sikh brothers, defenders of dharma, no where to be found. Kudos to Suraj Mal for providing some support despite dire threats from Abdali.

The Naga Sadhu defence of Gokul was awesome. Abdali actually withdrew after seeing the fearsome resistance offered by the wandering sadhus of Shiva.

the sikhs have made perhaps a fatal mistake. In the race to distant themselves from anything hindu they have cut their own roots. No longer can they go into hinduism and pull out a convert (ex. Banda Bahadur) or seek men, money and shelter like in the moghul days. Nor will hindus give it to them anyways. It's no surprise the slow demise of sikh influence and power coincides with their attempt to make their religion Semitic starting from 100 years back. The early sikhism with huge numbers of the intellectual castes like brahmins and khatris are now gone and replaced by something that is petty, rustic, and without intellectual depth.

These people fail to mention that Maratta territory consisted from most of South India to Peshawar, including Punjab. And that too by a south indian brahmin.

The 1857 WAS the first war of Independence. It DOES not matter who they wanted in power. It could be the local sardar, corrupt, inefficient king, the guy driving the rickshaw or the pind dog. What matters is whomever they wanted was NATIVE a) The rebels regardless of religion and affiliation wanted the foreigner out They wanted NATIVE leaders installed So, nice try in justifying your own duplicity in the matter.

LOL! Just read Indian history - the number of times the 3 main communities in India have changed sides is unbelievable.

I amend the above the statement based on further research. Should have done it the same day I posted the above. Its solah (16) kalaa sampoooran hence Shri Krishna is the supreme avatar and even Shri Ram does not entirely meet that test (14 Kalas) forget Sai Baba. 1) srih ----------------------------- Opulence 2) bhuḥ ------------------- Land, Proporty 3) kīrtih -------------------------------- Fame 4) ila ------------------------ Communicator 5) lila ------------------- Pleasure, pastime 6) kantih ---------------- Radiance, Beauty 7) vidya ----------------------- Kknowledge 8) Vimala ---------------------Void of flaws 9) Utkarsini --------------------- Motivator 10) Jnana ---------------------------Wisdom 11) Kriya -----------------------------Action 12) Yoga ----------------------- Conjucator 13) Prahvi --------------------------Humility 14) Satya -------------------------------Truth 15) Isana --------------------------------Lord 16) Anugraha -----------Bestower of boon

Every rule, law has its common sense limit. No vegetarian claims that he/she is not killing critters or plants while eating vegetables. The issue is about minimizing as much as reasonable possible. And vegetarians hands down win that debate over the meat eaters.

In Hinduism, or at least mainstream Hinduism it's only Shri Krishna that is considered 17 talents completed (satrah or sitarah kalaa sampooran) hence worthy of being called a God. You have to be a master of all these talents to be considered complete and worthy of worship or reverence - political science, military science, kirtan, religious science etc... Hence, Sai Baba is no god. He was a muslim, ate meat and did namaz. I remember a few years ago in my own temple here in toronto a group of people were asking for a idol/picture of Ravin to be installed because he too was considered 17 talents completed, after a bitter fight and arguments it never happened. People were walking around with the Veena (Ravins invention) and wanted to play it alongside regular kirtan.

Now, if your issue is about your career rest assured it has happened to all of us. I could not, despite having good grades, find a job in my field. I kept on thinking " This is not what I was promised!" I emailed my resume everyday, all day to dozens of companies. Despite having good grades I could not land a job in my field for nearly two years. Unfortunately, I even anglicized my name thinking perhaps this was the problem. But after meeting people in my field who had jobs I realized my action was half arsed. I thought emailing my resume was enough but these guys were way way ahead of me. Cultivating contacts, cold calls, walking into companies, youtube resumes and videos, proper references, volunteer work, name dropping etc.. Because I don't know the full details of your case and your career choice I can only give general advice.

I can only speak for my own religious philosophy and not Sikhism but everything should be done without attachment to the results. What happens is that people are so preoccupied with the results they forget to concentrate on the action. Perhaps the seeking of "visible results" is holding you back. Do your work properly and let go. Hard work, good decisions lead to the fruit. Its a hard philosophy but can be done. If you ever read the interviews of successful people they will always say " I just worked hard, made good decisions and it just happened" or a variation of this statement. What they did was consciously or subconsciously just concentrated on the action.

I have a different viewpoint. You need a reaffirmation of faith. Please make a visit to Harimandir Sahib and you will automatically get your motivation again. Now, there are people who will say " Pilgrimage is against our dharm" just ignore them and realize visiting religious places or even certain non-religious places may help you think clearer. I was just like you myself. From dedicated Hindu to agnostic, atheist and back again. Remember, as my signature says there is no failure or effort wasted. Even a litle bit of spirituality can help you. The method of worship or lack thereof will be decided by your own gunas. And cannot be dictated by others. Hope that helps. Best of luck!

Yes, a lot of races, tribes, countries are mentioned in the old texts. Shri Ram's clan "Raghu" is explicitly mentioned to come from beyond the Himalayas (Russia or Central Asia?) the serbs, afghans, sakas, hunas, etc.. are all mentioned. About the article and information that I'm reading. It seems the Nazis actively tried sometype of Yagnas to generate spirits from the gods of old (thor/indra) who would in turn give them powers (Vardaan?) The stealing of the Svastika (Svast means good health or luck) which is clockwise and on a stable base and turning it counter clockwise (against time) and on an angle is another example. Hell, even that crazy Norway shooter cites hinduism as one of his motivating factors. I suppose not everything is benign as yoga, meditation or vegetarianism LOL

My problem is with the misuse of the "Kyesteria dharm" and its concept of fighting for dharm without attachment to anything or anyone. Even if that means fighting your own country, community, family and even gurus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/heinrich-himmler-nazi-hindu-214444 More than 65 years after the fall of the Third Reich, Nazi Germany remains an obsession with millions of people around the world. Adolf Hitler was one of the most prominent historical figures from the 20th century, evoking both disgust and fascination. While other totalitarian regimes from that period -- including Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan -- have largely faded from the public's consciousness, Nazi Germany still exerts a powerful hold on many for a variety of reasons.Among the most interesting and perplexing aspects of the Nazi regime was its connection to India and Hinduism. Indeed, Hitler embraced one of the most prominent symbols of ancient India -- the swastika -- as his own. The link between Nazi Germany and ancient India, however, goes deeper than just the swastika. The Nazis venerated the notion of a pure, noble Aryan race, who are believed to have invaded India thousands of years ago from Central Asia and established a martial society based on a rigid social structure with strict caste distinctions. While scholars in both India and Europe have rejected and debunked the notion of an Aryan race, the myths and legends of ancient Vedic-Hindu India have had a tremendous influence on many nations, none more so than Germany. Perhaps the most fervent Nazi adherent to Indian Hinduism was Heinrich Himmler, one of the most brutal members of the senior command. Himmler, directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews and others as the architect of the Holocaust, was a complex and fascinating man. He was also obsessed with India and Hinduism. International Business Times spoke with two experts on German culture to explore Himmler and Hinduism. Victor and Victoria Trimondi are German cultural philosophers and writers. They have published books on religious and political topics, including Hitler-Buddha-Krishna-An Unholy Alliance from the Third Reich to the Present Day (2002), a research about the efforts by National-Socialists and Fascists to construct a racist Indo-Aryan warrior ideology with strong roots in Eastern religions and philosophies. IB TIMES: Heinrich Himmler was reportedly fascinated by Hinduism and ancient Indian culture, and he read the Bhagavad Gita, among other classic texts. How and when was he introduced to Indian culture? Was it prior to his joining the Nazi party or afterwards? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Himmler kept a diary where he not only listed the books he read but also provided extensive comments on these manuscripts. His entries regarding India and Indians were always very positive. Himmler's Indian reading list started in 1919 [before the Nazi Party was formed] with a German translation of a novel called Mr. Isaacs: A Tale of Modern India by Marion Crawfords. Six years later, in 1925, Himmler also praised Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha as a magnificent book. Himmler was also drawn to The Pilgrim Kamanita by the Danish author Karl Gjellerup, which was a contemporary best-seller. In his diary, Himmler commented: A precious narration. The content is the teaching of salvation. Gjellerup's book quoted several verses from the Vedas, including: The one who kills believes that he is killing. The one who has been killed believes that he dies. Both of them are wrong, for one doesn't die and the other doesn't kill. Later, Himmler delivered some of these same philosophies in his speeches to his SS officers. In the 1920s and the early 1930s, Himmler read some popular books about Hinduism and Buddhism. Yet, his actual interest in classic Hindu texts came later, when he founded the SS-Ahnenerbe, the brain trust of the Black Order, a group of highly qualified academics and occultists that attempted to forge the ideology of a racist warrior religion. In 1937, Himmler chose Professor Walter Wüst to serve as the president of the SS-Ahnenerbe. Two years later, Wüst became the curator of this notorious organization. Incidentally, in addition to being one of the leading Sanskrit scholars of his time, Wüst served as the president of the Maximilian University in Munich. In the academic world, Orientalists from this particular university were considered the top experts in their field. Wüst was keenly interested in extracting ideas from the Vedas and Buddhism of the so-called Aryan tradition in order to give National Socialism a religious dimension. One slogan of his was: Also above India hovers the sun-sign of the Swastika. To Wüst, Hitler appeared as the manifestation of a Chakravartin - Indo-Aryan world emperor. Wüst tried to support this particular speculation by verses from classical Indian scriptures. Moreover, in one of his emotion-driven speeches, he compared Hitler with the historical Buddha. IB TIMES: Germany's fascination with ancient India and its culture began in the 19th century, no? That is, long before the advent of the Nazis. Is it correct? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Indeed, Germany had been a true center for Sanskrit studies in the nineteenth century. To be exact, there were scholars and writers in this field who either put the emphasis on the peaceful aspects of Indian culture (e.g. Johann Gottfried Herder and Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling) or pointed out the nihilistic side of Buddhism or Shankara philosophy (like Arthur Schopenhauer). However, with the radicalization of German nationalism, writers began to put more emphasis on the martial aspects of Hindu culture. One of the first who tried to blend the warrior ideology of ancient India with Aryan racism was Houston Stewart Chamberlain, an English-born author who lived in Germany and who was later held in a high esteem by the Nazis. IB TIMES: Is it true that Himmler could read and speak Sanskrit fluently? Where and how did he learn such a difficult foreign language? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: We do not have any evidence that he mastered Sanskrit. However, Himmler did not need to read this ancient tongue since he always had Wüst by his side. By constantly interacting with Himmler, Wüst was directly involved in his philosophical and ideological projects, and he could provide an answer to any linguistic questions coming from the Reichsführer SS. IB TIMES: As Reichsführer of the SS, Chief of the German Police, Minister of the Interior and head of the Gestapo and the Einsatzgruppen killing squads, Himmler was responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people. How did he reconcile such brutality with the tenets of Hinduism, which is generally peaceful? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: The image of Hinduism as a totally peaceful religion is a widespread fallacy. In fact, one can find plenty of martial aspects in Hindu culture, which had been emphasized by various individuals even before the Nazi period, during Hitler's reign, and even today by the extreme right wing in Europe and elsewhere. For example, in his introduction to a popular edition of the Bhagavad Gita, Leopold Schroeder, a student of ancient India, wrote that this poem describes the powerful ethics of Kshatriya (Warrior) religion at a time when the warriors and kings of India provided a spiritual leadership instead of the priestly caste. It is very likely that Himmler used this particular edition of the Bhagavad Gita. It was the Kshatriya, the ancient Hindu warrior caste, and its ethical ideals that fascinated the Nazis so much among other elements of Indian history and culture. IB TIMES: Aside from millions of Jews, Himmler was also responsible for the mass murder of up to half-million Roma (gypsies). Was he not aware that the Roma are also of Indian descent? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: He must have known it. At the same time, we should remember that Western racist intellectuals usually divided Indian society into two castes: light-skinned Aryan conquerors (priests, warriors and merchants) and dark-skinned indigenous Dravidians or Chandalens -- the latter expression goes back to a Sanskrit word Chandala - or, 'The Untouchables.' Himmler surely viewed the Roma as a part of this outcast group. IB TIMES: Bhagavad Gita partially focuses on the adventures of Arjuna, the world's greatest warrior. Did Himmler fantasize that he was a 20th-century Arjuna fighting for the glory of the Aryans? Did Himmler view Hitler as his god Krishna - like a reincarnation of god Krishna? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: When speaking about the Aryan culture proper and the old German or Nordic gods, Himmler clearly viewed them as parts of the same spiritual ideology. In this sense, Himmler was indeed fighting for the glory of the Aryans. Thus, Himmler was convinced that the thunderbolts mentioned in both Indian and European mythologies were references to the super-weapons of Aryan Gods, who possessed incredible knowledge of electricity. However, we do not know whether Himmler identified himself with Arjuna or not. At the same time, considering the fact that he did indeed compare Hitler to Krishna, it is quite possible that he cast himself as the character of Arjuna. On one occasion, Himmler recited to other people the following passage from the Gita, in which Krishna says to Arjuna: Every time when man forgets the sense of justice and truth, and when injustice reigns in the world I become born anew, that is the law. Having read these words, Himmler added: This passage is directly related to our Führer. He did arise during the time when the Germans were in the deepest distress and when they did not see any way out. He belongs to these great figures of light (Lichtgestalt). One of the greatest figures of light reincarnated himself in our Führer. Based on this statement, one can assume that perhaps Himmler viewed Hitler as a manifestation of Krishna and himself as Arjuna. IB TIMES: Did Himmler envision the SS as a modern version of the ancient Kshatriya Hindu warrior caste? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: This was really a sensation what we discovered in the archives: In 1925, shortly before he became a member of Hitler's SS, Himmler read about the Freemasons and anti-masons in Their Fight for World Domination by an Austrian writer named Franz Haiser. Strange as it may sound, the greater part of the book deals not with Freemasons but with the Indian caste system. Haiser praised this caste system as the most reasonable and the most sophisticated social model. He also glorified the Kshatriya (the Warrior) caste as the natural leaders in society. Haiser also compared the decline of the caste system in India to the decadence of Western culture. As a way to prevent this decline, the author proposed the creation of a well-organized, international and racially pure elite order of warriors that he called the All Aryan Union (all-arischer Bund). In addition, he advocated for an all-Aryan world revolution and for the emancipation of the Kshatriya from above. Haiser derided the so-called lower races as crows, rats, sparrows, louses and fleas and also endorsed the reintroduction of slavery. He envisioned a society in which the Kshatriyas would not be permitted to mingle with other races. In addition, he drew attention to the Hindu cosmology of global eras: the Yugas, the Holy Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, and the Indian law code of Manu, which he interpreted as a guidebook on how to keep the Aryan race pure. After familiarizing himself with all these ideas Himmler wrote excitedly in his diary: A wonderful book [...] I agree with most of it. One needs such books. They encourage those who instinctively feel what is right and what is wrong, but do not dare to think about it because of their false education. Kshatriya caste [is what] we have to be. This is the salvation. Two years later, in 1927, as a twenty-seven year old man, Himmler already came to occupy the high position of the Stellvertretender Reichsführer SS. Much of the agenda articulated in Haiser's book could be found later in the ideology and the structure of the Black Order. Himmler was also familiar with the writings of the Italian philosopher Julius Evola, a fascist prophet of the Kshatriya ideology. IB TIMES: Is it true that Himmler always kept a copy of the Bhagavad Gita in his pocket and read passages from it every night? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Yes, this is true. In fact, it has been well documented by Felix Kersten, his Finnish masseur, that Himmler liked to indulge in philosophical monologues in his presence. The Reichsführer SS called the Gita a high Aryan Canto. Kersten also reported that Himmler read the Vedas, especially the Rig-Veda, the speeches of the Buddha, and the Buddhist Visuddhi-magga. Himmler made frequent references to karma, especially when he was talking about providence. He also believed in reincarnation: With one life life is not finished. What good and bad deeds a man has done has an effect on his next life as his karma. IB TIMES: Discuss Himmler's fascination with Yoga and what he sought to gain from this practice. MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: The practice of Yoga was already well known during the Nazi regime -- but we do not know whether Himmler did Yoga exercises or not. We only know about his plan to introduce meditation practices and spiritual retreats for the elite members of the SS in a special center located at Wewelsburg, a medieval castle. Himmler confided to Felix Kersten: I admire the wisdom of the founders of Indian religion, who required that their kings and dignitaries retreat every year to monasteries for meditation. We will later create similar institutions. IB TIMES: Did Himmler (and other top Nazi leaders) use the Bhagavad Gita as a kind of an ideological blueprint for the Holocaust and World War II? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Several historians believe that Himmler's notorious Posener Speech in front of a hundred SS officers in 1943 was highly influenced by the spirit of the Bhagavad Gita. In this particular speech, Himmler stressed that if the destiny of the nation called for it, every member of the SS had a duty to conduct drastic measures brutally and without pity and without regard to blood relationship and friendship. This utterance brought to mind the instructions Krishna issued to Arjuna, demanding from the latter to attack his kin and kill them. In the same speech, after mentioning unworthy human beings who were going to be murdered (an indirect reference to the Jews), Himmler assured his listeners: These deeds do not inflict any damage on our inner selves, our souls, and our characters. In the same manner, Krishna assured Arjuna that the latter acts would not pollute his higher self by completing his murderous duty: Whatever I do, it cannot pollute me. [...] The one who merges with me, frees himself from everything, and he is not bound by his deeds Thus, Himmler encouraged the members of the SS to conduct their murderous acts, unemotionally in a cool detached manner just as Krishna instructed the charioteer Arjuna. On the whole, the Posener Speech was focused on the spiritual dimensions of war and the conduct of the warrior, which is the chief element of the Kshatriya philosophy of Hinduism. The German diplomat and undercover U.S. agent in Nazi-Germany Hans Bernd Gisevius concluded: There is no doubt that for Himmler the Bhagavad Gita is the book of the Great Absolution. IB TIMES: During the war, there was a community of Indian nationalists living in Berlin. The most prominent among them was Subhash Chandra Bose, who met with many top Nazi officials, including Himmler, Ribbentrop, Goering and Hitler himself. Is it true that Himmler was generally interested in helping Bose to achieve independence for India, whereas most of the other German leaders only used Bose in a ploy to stoke anti-British sentiments in India? MR. & MRS. TRIMONDI: Unlike other Nazi leaders, Himmler and the curator of the SS-Ahnenerbe Walther Wüst, provided some ideological support to Bose's political agenda. Wüst spoke about the need to work closely with Bose and contemplated holding a German-Indian congress of Indian scholars representing both countries. Yet, except for these utterances, neither Himmler nor Wüst did anything specific to support Indian nationalists. Bose delivered an emotional speech for British soldiers of Indian origin, who were captured by the Wehrmacht in Africa and who were held in Germany as POWs. He said to them: Hitler is your friend. He is the friend of the Aryans, and you will return to India as the liberators of your motherland. The Indian Kshatriya legacy was not the only Oriental culture that attracted Himmler and his ideologists when they were working to construct their racist Indo-Aryan warrior religion. In addition to Hinduism, the Reichsführer SS was also interested in the militant Samurai Zen philosophy of Japan as well as the occult scriptures of Tibetan Buddhism. Indeed, one of the goals of the famous SS expedition to Tibet headed by Ernst Schaefer in 1939 was to find in the Lamaist monasteries scrolls containing secret Aryan teachings. See: www.trimondi.de

Let me amend my statement. I have not read the report in a long time but the GOI warned the Canadian Government about a possible attack against Air India specifically. And if you want to really get specific the GOI named certain individuals on Canadian soil. The onus of investigation therefore was on the Canadian government. They did a half assed job as admitted in the report. Here is the report for your convenience. It is damning. And here is a snippet. http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/206/301/pco-bcp/commissions/air_india/2010-07-23/www.majorcomm.ca/en/reports/finalreport/default.html. Key Findings of the Commission of Inquiry into the Investigation of the Bombing of Air India Flight 182 PRE‐BOMBING • Government agencies were in possession of significant pieces of information that, taken together, would have led a competent analyst to conclude that Flight 182 was at high risk of being bombed by known Sikh terrorists in June 1985. • James Bartleman’s evidence that, shortly before the bombing, he saw a specific threat to Air India Flight 182, is credible. The Commission accepts the possibility that such a document would have been ignored and then subsequently have gone missing. • Additional, highly classified, threat information was in the possession of the Communications Security Establishment (CSE). This information, which was received by the Commission after the close of the hearings, was consistent with other information about the threat of sabotage and hijacking by Sikh extremists in June 1985, and indicated that Indian airports were undertaking security audits in response to the threat. • Even without the evidence of James Bartleman and the CSE information, the Commission finds that the amount of information collectively held by the Government made the failure to implement appropriate anti‐sabotage measures inexcusable. • The view of Canadian officials prior to the bombing that government‐owned Air India was “crying wolf” in order to obtain additional security for free was misguided. • The institutional arrangements and practices of information‐gathering agencies were wholly deficient in terms of internal and external sharing of information, as well as analysis. • Government agencies failed to appreciate the nature and the seriousness of the threat of Sikh extremism. • The five‐month delay in CSIS’ application to intercept Parmar’s communications, which was a result of a warrant conversion process that prioritized existing warrants over new applications, was entirely disproportionate to the level of the threat. • CSIS surveillance was ineffective. Surveillants were unable to distinguish one traditionally attired Sikh from another. When a CSIS surveillance team observed experiments involving a test explosion conducted by Sikh extremists in the woods in Duncan B.C. in June 1985 (the Duncan Blast), the loud sound heard was misinterpreted as a gunshot. No photograph was taken of the unknown third person present (Mr. X.) because surveillants had not brought a camera. 2 • CSIS failed to include important information, such as the Duncan Blast, in the threat assessments it provided to the RCMP and Transport Canada. • The RCMP wasted resources creating a threat assessment structure parallel to CSIS’. The RCMP structure was itself ineffective ‐ it failed to identify, report, and share threat information. • The RCMP failed to transmit the June 1st Telex, warning about the possibility of bombing with time‐delayed devices in June 1985, to either CSIS or to Transport Canada. • Excessive secrecy in information sharing prevented any one agency from obtaining all necessary information to assess the threat. Excessive secrecy also prevented those on the frontlines from obtaining information necessary to put in place security measures responsive to the threat. • Effective protective measures were not implemented in response to the threat to Air India Flight 182. • The concept of “specific threat” was misunderstood and misapplied. When a call‐in bomb threat was deemed to be “specific,” it would trigger an elaborate airport emergency protocol which, had it been employed on June 22, 1985, would likely have identified the bomb. This protocol had no application outside of the call‐in threat situation. When intelligence was received through other channels, a lack of extreme specificity was at times wrongly used to deny additional protective resources. • Today, the concept of specific threat has become an excuse to explain why more was not done to prevent the bombing on June 22, 1985. • Security measures in response to possible threats to aviation were poorly thought out and mechanically applied. They were not tailored to meet the particular nature of the threat. • Despite the knowledge of the threat of sabotage, Transport Canada and RCMP Protective Policing displayed a lack of flexibility by continuing to rely on anti‐hijacking security measures, which did not address the threat of bombing. • There was a lack of cooperation and communication within the RCMP and between RCMP, Transport Canada and airlines in relation to airport security. • Although Air India was operating under an elevated threat level, CP Air (the airline upon which

Perhaps. But Justice Major's report is the stamp on the Air India conspiracy. It clearly says the GOI warned the Canadian Government no less than 6 times about a possible terror attack. The Canadian Government did nothing hence all the new rule changes for the RCMP and CSIS. It also goes onto say the Air India terror attack was the work of sikh militants. So, your "soft target" book gets blown out of the water, and out of circulation that is how preposterous it was.

What other books are you looking for? Perhaps, you can cite something in the bible, koran, sggs that talk about the above topic? The AIT theory has been debunked primarily by the person who popularized it in modern India - Sharmilla Bose.

Soft Target was the laughing stock of books related to the Air India act of terrorism. In fact, it is out of circulation mostly because it sucked so badly. The authentic reports comes from the Canadian Government under the respected Judge Major. You guys should read that as well. Anycase, back to the topic.

Let me correct you. He killed the so called moolnivasi for praying for the wrong reason. Then again Sri Rama also killed a Brahmin (Ravin) on instruction from his brahmin guru. Befriended a local adivasi community (hanuman, amrik, sugreev) and ate food from the hand of Shabri also a moolnivasi. Then again the entire Ramayan was written by a moolnivasi. Shri Rama seems to kill or not kill people based on their action, and not caste.

Somebody mentioned Nelson Mandela and terrorism. Why? Read below make your own judgment. As leader and member of the African National Congress, Mr. Mandela and his followers invented the "necklace" which consists of taking a person putting a tire around him and burning him alive. Did it to hundreds if not thousands of fellow africans.

What you cite is happening unfortunately with all religions not just Hinduism. Believe it or not religion is big business. And I do not think I was talking about caste either. And I'm happy that westerners are opening up yoga schools, translating etc. it means more converts, fresh ideas which are the life blood of any community. And there is fear that Hinduism will absorb Sikhism as its done for eons with others. I'm not saying its going to happen but there is fear. And I don't think I ever seen Hindus being bothered by one of their own converting to sikhism. My own massar is a turban wearing sikh, as is my chacha. Never bothered us.

My religion argument is supposed to be sarcastic because Mr. Tony thinks 1 religious community should have Punjab. Just reminded him that others have made sacrifices, had kingdoms and lived on this land way before his community.

When the moolnivasis make a pitch for the status of "original inhabitants" along with the neanderthals, homo-erectus and others then we can have this discussion.

We have to understand the mentality of the Khalistanis and Pakistanis as well. Despite their best efforts they could not overun Hinduism. Like they did in Africa, Middle East and elsewhere. The inferiority complex arises from the fact that both communities cannot compete with the Hindu in pretty much any sphere. Hence, the simplest most logical way is to kill or drive them out. Why compete when you take your ball and go home. This leaves them grasping at straws - Ie: The hindu cannot or will not fight. But that is fading as well. Because the Hindu is starting to put up battlefield victories. So, what is left? The fear of being absorbed by Hinduism drives these two communities to absolute craziness. As for slavery: Here is a statistical evidence for our khalistani friends that drives them crazy. Check it out. Sikhism has been around for 545 years. In that time they have had independence only 50 years. A simple calculation below. Hmmm. 50/545 = 91.74% So, our friends have been slaves for nearly 92% of their history. The rate of slavery = 92%