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I know this topic is old but I really want to watch this movie. Can someone help me out?

1 hour ago, Sat1176 said:

Slowly as I tried to keep some kind of lock on both sounds in the left and right, they would merge for brief periods and you could feel a vertical bar like sensation of sound running between the eyes going upwards into the forehead. For the first time in my life I may have had glimpse of what it is like to hear the sound in the trikuti region. As before it was always localised to my right ride.

 

This is something I'm confused about. Are you supposed to let them merge or keep them seperated? 

A few things have happened since last night. I started hearing two tones - one on the left and one on the right. I was laying in bed but awake. It woke me up a few times as well. 

I was in a rush to get to school this morning so didn't get much time in but I had a few moments where it seemed like rom rom went below the heart. I could feel the pulse/vibration slightly above the belly button. Is this the place where it's supposed to be or is the nabhi lower? I wish I had more time, it felt like I was going into sunn but had to force myself to get up and go to school. Saas saas helped amplify the recognition of the pulse. 

The tones were also at full blast. First on the right side. And then I was able to latch onto one in front of me and one behind. Left side was very faint. It actually felt slightly awakward because it seemed like some sort of imbalance. 

*Edit* - I should also mention the breath was very slightly heavier in the right nostril --> I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it.

While the tones were happening it also felt as if this new energy/force was present in the mind. It's hard to explain. And the energy was moving around the space within the mind. And the mind was expanding. (I don't know if that makes any sense).

On 2018-02-14 at 9:57 PM, Lucky said:

 

The KEY to the whole approach is to work at a pace, in sehaj with utmost prem. If you have conditions or you only have prem for some conditions, then you will not succeed. What i mean is that when i ask most people "why they want to jap" . They usually respond with "sukh ,shanti, peace, at ease, no life stresses" ..etc..  These intentions make the process somewhat conditional, and conditions with God don't really help except in infant stages. This is the secret that no one tells you and the reason why 95% of seekers remain stuck.

 

Everything in this last post was exactly what I needed. It all makes so much sense now and I have a clear direction on what I need to do. I can’t thank you enough for this. I’ve been confused for over a year. 

Just one last thing - it’s a bit of good news that I wanted to share. Paun is close to being sum. The nose is going through longer periods where both nostrils are breathing in at the same time and breathing out at the same time. Sometimes it’s heavier on one side but after some time it goes back to being balanced and fully open. This has only been happening since yesterday and I haven’t had a chance to experiment with it. 

And I’m noticing when the breath is balanced sounds get extremely loud and mind becomes stable/calm. 

I'm still struggling trying to get to the point where I hear shabad and not the other sounds within the body. 

Here's a question @Sat1176 and I have been talking about today. Sat found an answer but I want to see what everyone else has to say about it. @Lucky maybe you could shed some light on this?

There are two answers gurmukhs give in regards to getting naam pargat. 

1) Some say to sit and wait in sunn

2) Others say to stay awake and do baikhri bani

--> So the question is, which is more effective? 

I have been struggling for so long with this. Spontaneous experiences occur but I have not been able to get to the point where naam is pargut and becomes a normal aspect of my life. 

The other thing that I'm confused about 

---> Rom rom is happening. The mind is quiet enough to hear the heartbeat and sometimes even automatically begins jaap with the heartbeat. But how do you go lower towards the nabhi? I hear nothing below the heartbeat. 

I started using the earplug method as well. And even doing simran with earplugs in. It's been pretty effective. Mind quiets down faster and heartbeat/other sounds get amplified. I usually hear sounds on the right and very occasionally they get centred in the middle of the head. No sounds coming from the heart yet (only sound is the sound of the heartbeat). 

I want to also mention the sounds that I hear are soothing and they calm the mind/body but I know they aren't what the goal is.  

I've really been confused about this topic for the past few weeks so I thought I would ask about it. I tried looking through other topics but because my knowledge/terminology is limited I kept getting even more confused. Could someone help me understand what the types of sleep are?

I commonly drift into a sleep where there is complete stillness and peace but many gurmukhs have said to try and stay awake/focus on jaap. I recently came across this video and it gives a decent explanation of what happens: 

But my question is - is any spiritual progress being made in this sleep? Why don't I hear anything in this sleep? What has to occur on a sukham level for sound to arise? I think the main confusion has to do with the fact that the mind is "still" (while in that sleep) but there is no sound - But I thought sound would be heard when the mind is still. Many other sounds are heard outside of sleep but none of them are true shabad. 

Just as an FYI - these are just questions that I keep having and want to clear them up. I'm not trying to stay in sleep for long periods of time. It happens frequently but I go back to gurmantar as soon as I'm awake. 

I don't often speak out about this but I generally do not agree with a lot of ideas like these. Maybe things are lost in translation. But sometimes it seems like these hukams only apply to Sikhs (for example - you cannot wear a certain colour or you must wear kakkars etc). So by default it would be saying that anyone who isn't a sikh would go into joon. Various hukams are there to aid in the path. They keep you away from doing things that will hurt your spirituality. But why would someone who hears shabad, drinks amrit etc (but does not follow certain hukams) go into joons? 

I'm sorry to be that guy who everyone hates listening to. But honestly, I don't think blind faith and following are a reasonable way to do bhagti. It's more worthwhile to do the practical bhagti as per gurmat and experience what gurbani says you will experience. 

On 2017-11-08 at 4:09 AM, Lucky said:

What you are trying to describe is explained in gurbani, particularly Anand sahib.  Read carefully from pauris 6 onward and especially pauris 10,11,12 onward.

In short, the disassociation, the "so what"... "don't give a hoot"  is because of the association with Naam. Getting attached to Naam means getting detached from maya (Emotionally).  When you start getting attached to Naam and start following this connection, then it becomes the beginning of Bhagat path. This is where Anand sahb says "bhagati ki chaal narali"  because a little later in that pauri it says....

ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥

Kẖanni▫ahu ṯikẖī vālahu nikī eṯ mārag jāṇā.

The path they take is sharper than a two-edged sword, and finer than a hair.

This is similar to the advait vedanta you mentioned above. To walk the path of non-dualism is the very fine line that's not either side of khanda..

 

I can talk a lot  more about it and I know it's a lengthy period of confusion. When i was feeling similar and at times questioning my own sanity, I became at ease after being reassured by a gurmukh. I was told to ask myself and answer if "My mind felt more purified than previous and less clouded ?"    You should ask yourself the same.   

 

SPOILER ALERT!!!  Only after your mind becomes more purified, will your own Jyot (Anoop jyot) become pargat. This is also refereed to as "Jhill mill" because it is this jyot saroop of the mnd that "mils" (merges) with Waheguru jyot

Your replies are always so spot on.

I remember you mentioned something about hearing voices and mumbling once (I couldn't find a link to the post). But this has begun as well. But again the mind does not react to the experience. It's a very careless attitude. The voices are just mumbles, it does not seem like there's a meaning behind the message.

Saas giras/saas saas have become so smooth with the breath. All day and night it's on automode. Just like the way the heart beats and the breath flows - gurmantar is on automode. 

Sound starts blasting whenever I'm in a quiet place. Esepcially throughout the night. I talked to a few gurmukhs when I was away and they said this isn't sacha shabad yet. I'm under the assumption that it's dev lok shabad because the mind goes into a satoguni state of mind. But during this time is when the intoxication takes over. 

In katha gurmukhs always mention that once saas giras/saas saas start going day and night, the next stage is for shabad to start. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next few weeks. 

Spending time with sangat and gurmukhs was the best thing I've ever done. Ever since I came back everything has been progressing faster than ever. Going into sunn is so much easier. Life is spent in the present moment and the feelings of shaanti are priceless. The only desire is the desire to go back home and see my father. We need to learn how to live in tregun during the day but go home to our father at night. 

19 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Veer i know how you feel. I myself have felt like i have had a rise and fall during the 10 months due to my health. Trust me i trained myself to do a certain number of bani's but nowdays i will be lucky do even the basic due to all the health problems i have developed in the last 10 months. 

 

I myself felt like there is nothing in this world as i missed my nitnem for 10 days due to my newly dignoised of migraine problem. Those days were so hard believe me i can understand how you are feeling

This has nothing to do with health. Spirituality is on track as well. I beleive it's probably just a personality trait - it may or may not be linked with bhagti. The only thing that concerns me is whether this "no cares given" attitude is dangerous. Sometimes I ask myself, "Should I be worried about finishing school and making money?" "Should I be worried about getting married in the future?" The entire world is racing to be at the top and I just feel myself laying back and relaxing like a spectator. Gurbani says everything is based on karam. So I don't see the point in worrying about anything. 

Like I said before - the only reason why I question this carefree attitude is because everyone else is stressed out over these things. So it gives me the thought that maybe I'm supposed to be concerened about these things. I don't see their stress as a bad thing because what they're chasing is essential for sukh in tregun, survival and reproduction. And I also think being completely careless about these things shouldn't be an issue (keyword is I think). But at the same time I just want to make sure I'm not throwing myself into something that I'll regret 10 years down the road.

I hope this isn't just me but doesn't life ever feel pointless? Especially when it comes to consumerism and human interaction. 

It seems like either I'm going crazy or everyone else is. All of a sudden it feels as if everything is boring and pointless. Eating, sleeping, showering, having friends, relationships, families, social media, having fun, etc. Especially in my age range the norms that people chase include; finishing school, trying to get married, buying nice cars, going out and having fun with friends. I've tried so many of those things... I even went out and bought an Audi with a manual transmission because I thought it would lead to a bit of a thrill... it's fun on a superficial level but deeper down it also seems so pointless. There are no cares or worries about laws or societal norms either. I don't think I'd ever do something illegal, but even so there is no care about being penalized. Nor is there care about authority. People talk about addictions and impulsions - but I look at that and it all just seems very odd. Then there are people searching for their life's purpose - but even that just seems so irrelevent.

During these past few days I've become so bored interacting with friends and family. There's no care or worry about anyone or anything. It's like all of a sudden I just don't give a shit about anything. I am definitely not in depression because there is no sadness but when I google the symptoms it comes up as depression. Spiritually everything seems like it's on track. But now when experiences arise they also seem pointless. This body, this breath, these concepts of dhyaan and inner cleansing... it's as if all titles and labels are gone. 

Sadness, happiness, sukh, dukh, anand... all of these come and go but deeper down there's something that just does not care about any of them. I'm not sure if this links with the philophy of advaita vedanta or if I'm just going crazy. If I talk about this around people they tell me to go see a psychiatrist. 

Also forgot to mention working out - Lift at least 3 times a week. But 5-7 would be extremely good. Strengthen both mind and body. Grow the warrior side - I don't know why but working out has always pushed me to fight the internal battle with dhoots. 

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There are a few terminologies that come up in gurbani that I want to understand  

This is the first one - I've never fully understood what gurbani refers to when talking about focusing on charan. ie 

ਮਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਈਐ ॥

On 2017-02-18 at 11:56 PM, paapiman said:

Also, what sound was being blasted? Waheguru? Kirtan?

 

 

Lol nah, it was straight Drake lyrics. 

14 hours ago, Lucky said:

Well done! You've accomplished a few things here. You may noticed that your body was dong simran whilst your mind was just enjoying doses of anand. These are just the beginnings of the true anand that is yet to come. I'm still trying to swallow whatever comes along my path.

You've smashed through some barriers now and shed some layers of ego and dirt. In terms of spiritual energies. you will also have had some newer energy nadis blasting open and doing jap.

Huge amounts of energy are coming down to you and it is important that you utilise and gear these towards the right direction. Practicing brahmacharya (conserving semen), is highly recommended. I'm pretty certain that because your anand has been rising, then the kaam influences wouldn't have found any routes into your mind either, because your mind will have risen over the 5 dhoots. 

Believe me, it's no lack of sleep and I know it leaves you wondering "why am I not tired?"  You may have many days and weeks when all you will have is 2-3 hours sleep a night, Yet, you will feel completely energised!  To be honest, I never understand it at first and got worried thinking It were some kind of insomnia. 

You may have noticed something different when you looked in the mirror during those few days?

Indescribable....Yes. Can you really explain it?......No.  However, you may be able to confirm to yourself that in such state of mind, you are above both pain and joy.  Whilst you will also get a sense of "feeling" hukam, rather than just knowing it as a term that is used.

 

A few different techniques can be tried and some are extremely tough to grasp. You can pm me if you are having some difficulties, as I may be able to help on one's that I've worked on and practiced myself.  But yes,.. I think you should definitely have a crack at some deeper meditative jugtees where you can sit in absolute silence.

You are amazing brother. Sending you so much love. I will message you later tonight. 

4 hours ago, tva prasad said:

cool so u don't need the heater ur probably saving lots of money lol.

Very funny lol. What if we invent some system where we use the heat to power a heater. Good way to make some side cash. 

I mentioned the body heating up a little while back. It continues to do this but to a greater extent. The temperature where I live in Canada is starting to linger into the negatives, there's snow, cold wind. But the body is still able to walk around outside without a jacket (sometimes even begin sweating). 

Its almost 11 pm here and my lower stomach area (below the belly button) is heating up so much for some reason. The rest of the body is at room temperature.

I believe it may be the blockages within clearing up.