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12 hours ago, tva prasad said:

bro, do u also get these "crawling sensations" all over ur body as well? Happens with me dunno y.

Yes, they feel like vibrations, right? When I was a kid it used to be very short intense bursts. Now they last a bit longer, sometimes up to a few minutes.  I don't know much about them but I've been able to find two main causes. 

1. Intense emotion - usually related to feelings of love, happiness, humbleness (many times in front of other meditators)

2. Mind stability

I've also learnt how to induce them by changing breathing patterns/focus.

I don't know why they happen or what they are doing. This again, should be answered by someone else. 

9 hours ago, tva prasad said:

sorry guys if I ask too much questions sometimes. It's just that I get very curious and half reason is probably cause I m young n stupid. Sometimes I get muscles twitches it's been happening for a few months now. I just wanna know why they occur. I m gettin curious now. Sorry n thanx.

I have a very similar issue. It happens when the body starts to go beyond it's comfort level of relaxation (IMO). Over time it's been happening a lot less.

I remember @BhagatSingh answered this one for me a while back. Not sure where that topic was. 

10 hours ago, Lucky said:

Very normal for some of us, ...especially the upper back.

When I first started to get it, I knew that it was something different, because when it comes to sweating or working out; then I've always tended to sweat from the forehead first. When this started happening, I immediately knew it was unusual but along with many other sensory and skin changes, I soon assumed that it was some kind of nerve or neuro stimulation due to simran.. I've heard that all these kind of skin eruptions and sensations are part of the inner cleansing. Once your mann starts to get cleansed, then the dhanh also starts eliminating toxins and all the other negative crap we have.

It is annoying sometimes when you continue to sweat just on the back for about an hour or so!

Keep cleansing and keep drinking the amrit,  Once these layers of mehlh start disappearing, then we can start wiping bad karams and rewriting our destiny.

 

Good to know that you are "kicking it" with the abyaas... Well done kiddo!...keep it up

 

Thank you for this. I will keep at it then and not think much of it. 

I hope everything is going well. It's great being able to turn to you guys when needed. 

I hope everyone is well. It's been a while.

I'm going through a slight issue.

My practice has been going well for this past little bit. I feel extreme amounts of energy flowing through the body. But at the same time the body is heating up so much. It's October in Canada but it feels like the body is ready to drown in sweat. I don't mind it but I am concerned. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? 

It's mainly around the upper body. (upper back, shoulders, chest)

14 hours ago, das said:

It is basically "The Energy", and it has got many different names/forms/potentials etc......so, better to stick with the tag as energy. It is like electricity being present in a wire all the time; but it could be actively used when we plug into the wire. So, energy is there, we're just training the mind to use this energy.

I would suggest that you Visualize this energy coming from your Guru's image (Guru Granth Sahib Saroop or whosoever you're concentrating upon); do NOT limit yourself by thinking that it is Chi and automatically trapping in the attributes/properties of Chi.

I will do so. Is this the same energy? - 

On August 6, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Guest guest said:

Hi.  I didn't say that him being a muslim was an issue.  I said that a person claiming lineage muslim teaching you tibetan techniques makes little sense.  After all, You seem to be implying (by mentioning it in the first place) that his lineage is an important part of his 'mentorship'.  But one wouldn't expect tibetan techniques to be a part of that 'passed down knowledge'.

By the way, if he was a muslim (or any other religion) and you are an Amritdhari, indeed that would be inappropriate.  This regards the basics of Guru Gobind Singh's aims in setting up the Khalsa (teesra panth, to remain distinct, no intermediaries etc).  I do not think this point is 'miniscule'.  Elementary maybe, but not miniscule.  I do not see where the 'argument' is either.  Maybe you need to go learn the basics of what you have signed up to (if you are Khalsa).

Although you didnt actually answer that question (though your response implies the answer).  Anyway its your own business, and I'm glad if you have found a spiritual person to give you inspiration.

BTW its not obvious to me which saint you are refering to, since all the ones I can think of have muslim descendants, however it is not important for me to know.

Also saying 'x' group do 'y' isnt very good reasoning for one's own actions.  At least those sikhs believe those 'brahmgianis' are teaching them Khalsa-sikhism.  However I do not agree with that either for the record.

Are you sure the goal is the same?  Even then, if there are thousands of techniques or more, do you think your own path is lacking that you have to look elsewhere? Isn't this mentioned in Gurbani that there are so many techniques and they are not necessary for Guru's path?

He hasn't told me about the lineage himself but I was told by someone else in the community who knows him well. The only reason why I mentioned it was because gurbani mentions that the generations following a bhagat carry on countless blessings. 

If you could provide a quote of Sikhs not being allowed to do sangat with people of other religions that would be appreciated. The majority of my sangat for spirituality has been people ranging from buddhists to hindus/mystics. If you look at the majority of "our own people", they wear their bana, they have this "distinction" but the inner goal has been completely ignored. This distinction has no purpose if you're not focused towards the goal of oneness. You're looking at this image of Khalsa from a very dualistic perspective. The feel that I get from you is that you see it as... "my path is better than theirs", "I am distinct", "my religion is separate", "I am a separate entity than them". And the thought of... "there exists a Mr. God and I have to do xyz to avoid sin".

You may not have this type of mentality but that is what I'm getting from this conversation. I used to do sangat with a lot of the youth but this same mentality is what pushed me away. To answer your question, yes I am an amritdhari and I do follow the lifestyle outlined by my panj pyare. But I don't do much sangat with many other amritdhari's because of the superiority views they tend to hold. 

I see Sikhi as freedom, love and unity. As long as you're moving forward there is no issue. The issue exists when you're moving backwards or if it's been 30 years and you haven't moved an inch. If you look at the majority of our community, half of these uncles have had their kirpans, turbans, beards, nitnem (the distinction) for their entire life but they still can't control their vices in situations. And all that they say is "I don't have the kirpa" or "these experiences mentioned in bani are just metaphors". 

I have a lot of respect for you as an abiyassi. You are already way better off than most people. But I don't like your mentality of looking at the outer image. Bani is a lot deeper than what you're making of everything. Do you really think Guru Granth Sahib Ji would focus on destroying duality and creating oneness while the lifestyle of a Sikh promotes the mentality of having a "distinction". Surely the meaning would be a lot deeper. I have my own understanding but I don't believe it's developed enough for me to share. There are other people on this forum who would do a better job.

Overall the techniques are very similar to regular jaap. i.e. focusing on sound etc. The only difference is the tai chi type movements but that only takes about 10 minutes per every hour. Anything outside of that is me just experimenting with the energy. 

Some people may be interested in cars, stocks, music etc. A lot of these people may do bhagti as well but they have other interests in life. This does not mean they won't progress in their spiritual life. My brother likes basketball but does that mean his spiritual progression is less than anyone else's? He has his time to do bhagti and has his time to watch basketball. They have no effect on each other. I personally am generally interested in how meditation and the spiritual body work. For that reason I don't see anything wrong with learning and exploring. 

The reason why I mentioned the "argument" point is because you completely steered my topic  in a different direction. I wanted to learn about what this energy is but now we're talking about this. I really wish you hadn't of done that nor do I want to carry on with this. I wish I had just kept on with my bhagti and just let time answer the question. 

Anyways, thank you for your time. God bless.

2 hours ago, Guest guest said:

???

A 'muslim lineage saint' is teaching you 'tibetan style' meditation?  does this sound right to you?

Also, I hope you are not Amritdhari.  Indulging in other religions, and having mentors are both "no no" 's for Amritdharis.   

As for 'white chi'- I wasnt expecting Chinese monks from Wudang mountain to be posting here.  

 

1. I would like to apologize for the wording. The saint I'm referring to was a muslim during Guru Nanank Dev Ji's time but over generations his family became Sikhs. It may be obvious to which saint I'm referring to. But what would be the issue if he were muslim? I believe you've created a duality here where people are separated by their religions. 

2. I don't see anything wrong in using a variety of techniques. If you're progressing there is no issue. The goal still remains the same. 

3. I also don't see issue in having a mentor. People live with brahmgyani's all the time but no one complains about that. 

If you have something useful to contribute to the topic it would be appreciated. But arguing over minuscule details is just wasting my time and yours.

I hope everyone is doing well.

I recently have gone under mentorship with someone who is in lineage of a well known Muslim saint from Guru Nanak Ji's time. (I don't want to say any names or anything else specific because he stays anonymous). He has a very mystic type lifestyle and I wanted to share an experience which I have had due to his guidance and hopefully learn more about it.

Yesterday he taught me a tibetan style meditation where you do a few different hand motions around the nabhi.

I started it last night (around 8-9pm) and it feels as if energy is pushing my hands. It feels as if the energy is leading my hands towards different directions. The feeling is similar to how you feel when you point the same side of two magnets together. I spent a few hours playing with is last night. While standing up I was able to lead it in a way where it physically pushed my body backwards. At other times I could feel a very cold wind coming from my hands. If I moved my hands a bit higher and broke the tension, my entire body would burst into vibrations. 

Closer to around midnight I started to go through moments where I could smell a very strong flower type smell. 

I called him and talked to him about it briefly but won't see him again for a few days. He said the force is called white energy. So my question is whether this is similar to chi? I know in many types of meditation they use energy.

Does anyone know anything about this?

So today I came across a few advertisements for astrologers in my city. One of which seems to be known worldwide because he's the grandson of someone who had a very high spiritual state. So my question is if anyone has ever had any type of experiences with people like these? My uncle was telling me that he's seen some to be accurate to the dot. 

Thank you for the help and sorry for never getting back to this conversation.

Everything has been going very well. I've noticed that every time there's a hurdle (no matter whether I pass or fail the hurdle), things slowly get better after some time. 

The main issue is that when it isn't going well I quickly get annoyed and drop everything in life to try and get back on track. But the issue is that the more you let it consume you, the longer it takes to get back on track. Being around like-minded individuals helps the most so I'm grateful to have the sangat on this website.

There are only two things that I focus on when it comes to these times is:

1) Calming down the body. Breathing slowly so the body automatically goes back into it's calmness and keeps a slow paced breath. 

2) Bringing the mind back into satoguni thoughts. It seems to be easier to go into a thoughtless state if the thoughts are positive. The mind tends to cling on to negativity for a lot longer. (The worst mindset is the mindset where you expect experiences to happen - you put yourself into an endless cycle). 

Sadhguru has some good videos on the 5 elements as well. They don't go into much detail but are still good for an introduction. 

Things are picking up now. Had a very good long session this morning. The goal this time is to try more sangat sessions. 

@CuriousSeeker recently sent me an article. Here is a quote from it that I really enjoyed.

         Here’s how resistance (Ego) plays it’s role and creates negative emotions:

1.  Expectations: Expecting something to happen or a certain behavior from someone and when it does not happen, becoming disappointed, sad or angry.
2. Challenge: Feeling threatened (competition) by something or someone (even family members) resulting in anger or disappointment.
3. Jealousy: Yearning for something that someone else has and feeling sad, hurt, anger or disappointment.
4. Negative mental labels: Blaming, judging, accusing, gossiping, complaining, and needing to be right and then feeling sad, hurt, anger or disappointment
5. Attention seeking behaviors: Demanding recognition for something you did and getting angry or upset if you do not get it, trying to get attention by talking about your problems or giving your opinion when nobody has asked for it, wanting to be seen or appear important.
6. Impressing others: Being more concerned with how others see you (ego enhancers), trying to impress others through possessions, knowledge, skills, abilities, good looks, physical strength and so on.
7. Temper tantrums: Bringing about temporary ego inflation through angry reaction against someone or something because you cannot get your own way, or taking things personally and being offended

Most, if not all of these can play into the life of a spiritual seeker while they keep bhagti as the centre of their life. 

I appreciate the replies. I love this site because I know that I can receive help no matter how bad I screw up. The support aspect is wicked. I have no one else in my life who I can openly talk to about spirituality. 

From experience - these lows have always been temporary and tend to pick up over a short period of time. It's like muscle memory when it comes to lifting weights. You could leave weight lifting for years, but when you come back to it, you can regain your strength within a short amount of time. I.e. if it originally took you 1 year to build up to a certain amount of strength... even if you lose it all, the next time you train it will only take a few months. My explanation may be confusing lol. Watch a video about muscle memory and you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

I feel as if once the hill is crossed everything will be back to normal soon. 

The biggest thing that has helped me is aiming to keep mantar repetition going within the mind. Not just blankly repeating but doing it in a way that the mind finds it pleasurable and keeps focus. It may not stay focused all the time because you have other tasks to do in the day... but at least keeping that link with meditation. Idle thoughts slowly disappear and the mind becomes stable.

The transition I've noticed tends to be like this: 

1) Negative thoughts for a small period of time (it's usually very short if I look at it overall. Maybe a day or two... possibly 4-5 at most but it feels like ages and that's why it's tough sticking through them)

2) Then they slowly become more positive and a lot of motivation builds up

3) The positivity becomes a feeling of being neutral and there isn't much of a feeling of good or bad. Everything just is what it is. And during this mindset is where things begin to progress.

Someone in the past has told me that without physical sangat this cycle is likely to keep occurring. Where there's no sangat, ego easily builds up and leads to dukh, And this is why sustaining stability becomes difficult. 

20 minutes ago, CuriousSeeker said:

Can personally speak to the ups and downs bro.  Initially the peaks are and valleys are more extreme, but with time and steady effort they become smaller and smaller, and a more of a steady state is attained.  Key is self reflection/inquiry and and understanding the causes of the valleys, and not making the same mistake twice.  Also I know this said alot and people have different views, but a sincere ardaas to Guru maharaj ji goes a long way.  The mind likes to play tricks and the entices of maya are always attempting to pull, only way to rise above is with effort and his grace.

I love this. Thank you

Everything was going very well. Spirituality was at it's peak for me but I started to get very egoistic and everything fell apart. This isn't the first time - spirituality for me is always 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But this is the biggest hit I've ever taken. I feel different types of intoxication at times but for the most part I feel drained. 

A lot of good things are happening in my life. I landed a high position job for the summer which was well passed my qualifications. I aced a physics exam and finished with a 98 (plus a bonus mark or two). In high school I averaged around 50's on my exams and best case finished with a 70. So many things that I cannot believe on a worldly level are occurring. Every one of these occurrences are pulling me even farther back because they are causing huge amounts of ego and pride. 

On a worldly level I don't have many friends, so I can't use that to run away from the feelings of down-ness. I've lost interest in Sikhi but I want to keep doing bhagti. But I'm having a hard time getting myself to sit down. Once I start I can lose myself but the initial step has become hard.

It's hard to describe but I've hit rock bottom compared to how hard I've fallen before. Has anyone ever had to go through this? How did you get yourself back into things?

He's amazing. Love him so much <3

Is there anywhere you can learn yoga online? Do you know anything that's good for stabilizing the mind?

@Lucky

The next thing I want to work on is being able to sit back straight with no wall. Any tips to strengthen the back so there's no pain during sadhna?

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