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the Summer of 2018 is what I have planned. And I will be putting them up online.

There's a Puraatan Kharrda (manuscript) of the Hukams kept at Poanta Sahib.

Here's the problem, no samparda can be traced back to Guru Sahib. No one was forced to follow the SRM so it's not being imposed on anyone. It's actually like a basis of every other Maryada. As for the Mool Mantar issue, both sides have good evidence and arguments. There is no resolve for it. As for flaws, the biggest is how it's asserted. The DDT Chaupai Sahib's inclusion of the Sambhat Chaupai doesn't have evidence substantiating it. The same with the Rehraas Sahib.

Interesting. When I was informed about this , I met Nihang Singhs (from i think Tarna Dal/ Hariavelan) back in India, they said it was what they would do to a captured turk (especially of importance) they'd bury them neck high, feed him pork, then let the dogs, jackals, bobcats etc. (kutte billeh) have their way with them. Another method was digging a pit, throwing the prisoner in, and covering it with wood (with just a hole in the top) and Singhs would defecate in there or something. I haven't found any written evidence of this anywhere so far, so I'm not to quite sure if this is in fact true.

I don't possess any manuscript, I had darshan of a few in Punjab and learned about certain manuscripts from fellow Singhs, and soon i'm going back to scan them.

That translation is brief.

And will Dhumma be their successor? You can't be so sure of that. You're asserting that if Taksal took the Akal Takhat Sahib over they would be doing a better job, as if you consider them to be flawless angelic super humans. The Panth will end up in the same mess it's in now. The Rehat Maryada laid down by the SGPC is the basic framework for the entire Panth's various Rehat Maryadas. No Sikh should make such an assertion and call it a fact.

Their leaders would probably force Taksal Maryada over the entire Panth. A Maryada that does not have enough research to substantiate it.

That's interesting and quite saddening.

GNDU Is possible, Patiala is a maybe, since the Hindu Board there attempted to actually destroy a lot of historical material, so I'm expecting them to be fishy, but that can't be confirmed until I try. i'm looking forward to buying a scanner and scanning+digitizing Puraatan manuscripts.

That's actually one of many methods of torturous execution that the Nihang Singhs practiced with Captured Turkus. It was like a Maryada.

An English Translation has been included in "Sword and Turban of the Sikhs", By Dr. Trilochan Singh. You can find a Punjabi version in Padam's book, though there are 3-4 inserted portions, and 2 excluded portions.

That again is incorrect. I would equate the Missionaries more to Lutheran or Reformist Christians. The destruction of artifacts, manuscripts, and Guru Ghars was committed by the Kar Seva Wale Babe. Whom aren't really supervised. Also, destruction of artifacts didn't happen during the Singh Sabha Sudhar Lehar, it happened decades afterwards. The SGPC and Missionaries are two different entities. The SGPC evidently isn't the same as it was before. That goes for any institution or sect in the Panth. Taksal seems more similar to the Taliban, in the fact they punish Dushts (which from an impartial eye would seem "extremist".) and are quick to impose their views and ideology, albeit not with the same methodology as the Taliban. the Puraatan Sampardas already had control, and they demonstrated what they could do with such power, which was not really Gurmat. If Taksal had control, The same stupidity would have taken place. No one's got clean hands here.

I'll take a picture of the paragraph and upload it. It's from Gurmat Rehat Maryada (original, longer Book). What Taksalis do today is not what Taksalis did then. Even the Gyanis who studied under Gyani Gurbachan Singh Khalsa can't be trusted. Before the advent of the Internet and the standardization of their narratives, you could sit around 5 separate students of Gyani Gurbachan Singh down, in separate rooms, ask the same one question, and have a result of 5-6 Answers. DamDami Taksal was extremely anti-Padd Ched, and even more so, extremely anti-printing Bani. There used to be only Larrivar Prakash at Mehta, They had strict Baana Requirements, and followed Rehat according to Rehatnamas, the tradition that they were instilled with, etc. women were only barred from Panj Pyarea Di Seva because of their criteria for Panj Pyare eligibility. Today, That's no longer the case, of course. and i I don't know what you mean by "we".

That's wrong. In the original manual of Taksal Maryada, the context and statement is different.

The Bhai Daya Singh Rehatnama is one of the most authentic Rehatnamas, despite there being interpolations in the work, a Shudh (pure) and original Sarroop was thankfully found by Dr. Trilochan Singh Ji.

Guru Nanak Dev University (Amritsar), and Punjab University (Patiala) for sure. there are probably countless more Sikh manuscripts all across India, so there might be some Gurbilas Granths amongst other Universities as well.

The Missionaries aren't a cross breed of the Taliban, or even remotely similar. That's an extreme and poor comparison. I would find Taksalis to be more like the Taliban. The Missionaries are just overly skeptical, anti-mystical, and paranoid. As for the Baani, Baani has been and is being interpreted in numerous ways. You can find a basic framework or common ground. As for 'Puraatan Maryada', I've already said that many people claim this and that "Puraatan Maryada" is solely substantiated on the of "Seena Baseena" claim, which isn't entirely false, but is indeed questionable.

We've all come across Kuir Singh's and Sukha Singh's the two most well known in regards to Patshahi Dasvin. As they are published and printed now. Some Individuals, libraries and Universities have manuscripts that have the title 'Gurbilas Patshahi Dasvin' or 'Gurbilas Patshahi Chevin' and are entirely different, not even a drop of similarity. I saw one which wasn't even in poetry, but Prose. Another that seemed to name an author called 'Gurbaksh'. They're several separate works from different authors that just bear the same name, like the Janamsakhis, you'll find numerous manuscripts that are just simply titled 'JanamSakhi Baba Nanak' or along those lines, and I think the Gurbilas Granths have a similar story. It seems they haven't been noticed by any Scholar or Researcher.

Interestingly, I actually met a random Baba at a Wedding who had seen this Pothi In India, he recounted something about Naam Simran techniques and practices being prescribed in there.

Yeah, Uhmm that's BS. Sri Gur Katha isn't dubious, you are. You cast doubts and concoct crap quite skillfully. Had you read the Sri Gur katha and it's background, you probably wouldn't be making these ridiculous and baseless assertions. I've already said enough about it's authenticity in the Sri Gur Katha thread. A manuscript of Bhai Prahlad Singh's Rehatnama (as far as the inconsistent dating argument goes, that date isn't written by Bhai Prahlad Singh, in old manuscripts you'll see all kinds of additions and insertions made here and there. In the case of the date, it either appears in the middle of the Rehatnama, towards the end, or not at all.) has A Chaupai mentioning the Panj Kakkars. Despite calling yourself a Khoji, you don't actually do any Khoj. You'll read a little here and there before you begin your drivel.

I'm not dismissing Ritualism as a whole. There's a fine line between critique and ridiculing. And I do understand that they are cultural influences, I just don't think that's "Original" or "Seeneh Baseeneh di Maryada", I also don't believe that the Sampardaic/Snaatan side of the Panth is in any position for moral or religious condemnation of the SGPC-Singh Sabha faction. Also, Telling people to "Correct our own self self" shouldn't be used to shut down any kind of discussion. I do however agree with your first few statements.

I would disagree, Ji. DDT, Hazooris, and Nanaksar are also man made, (they formed around the same time as the Tatt Khalsa Singh Sabha did), as well as every other Samparda, their supposed lineage and claims aren't evidences of their purity . The caste discrimination, inconsistent Rehat/Maryada, is enough to doubt and disprove the ideas of these sects/cults/deras, In 1877, Chaupai Sahib wasn't even included in the Nitnem banis in their Rehatnama (This is the time when "Puraatan Maryada was followed". These people are as flawed/incomplete and man made as the SGPC, The only thing the SGPC didn't do was concoct a fictitious history and connect a few well known historical personalities to their lineage. They're also evidently as Manmat as everyone else. There is no 100% Puraatan Maryada or sect. And they certainly aren't practicing Sikhi "the way it was done."

Like wearing Dhotis at Hazoor Sahib, Aarti being done with a thaal, lamp, and a conch shell, tilaks at Hazoor Sahib, in Nihang Dals they used to practice caste-based discrimination in the Amrit Sanchar a few decades back. Offering Blood sacrifices to Shastars, etc. Hazoor Sahib is a great example. As to how they go against Gurmat, they're blind rituals and practices that infected the Sikh Panth and now are considered an unquestionable 'Maryada' by some because the Sant-Mahapurakhs and falani Granth mentions so and so.

I think that's new, In an Amrit Sanchar 3-4 years ago in California, they only had prakash of SGGS.