ragnarok

Problematic.

He may have got a better response by approaching the matter in a different way and ensuring the Gurbani was treated with respect. It looks like he went in there alone. Are there no Sikh organisations he could have approached for support? With enough pressure and publicity in the right way the outcome may have been better.

Unpopular opinion: From a political point of view we did lose the war and this is generally what happens when someone loses a war. They have weakened to the point where we can make scenes like this without retribution but unless our political clout rises again we're a mosquito disturbing a buffalo. They'll never respond well to this kind of protest, he'll be treated as nothing more than a heckler and a bully. A more diplomatic approach with sufficient pressure and publicity could have worked better.

Consider the current political strength of China, who hasn't been able to get their artifacts back yet, and the supposed ally Greece who hasn't been able to get theirs back either.

Eventually something will give, with enough pressure from multiple fronts, and there may be a watershed moment.

On 9/23/2020 at 8:51 AM, Guest NoFap said:

Thank you so much @harsharan000 and @Sikhilove for your valuable comments.

I was wandering through following link so the question which i asked came to my mind.

It seems like thirst of knowledge is the only hindrance in the sound current path.

This is the link which i studied -

https://chopra.com/articles/the-3-levels-of-samadhi

Its not a hindrance per se, the problem is if it leads to arrogance. The way to prevent this is seva.

Interesting considering singapore has a significant sikh population. Tell him to contact ministry of manpower. 

17 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

NAAD PART IV    (page 10-10)

17 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Reference the book please.

4 hours ago, sarabatam said:

I meant killing thoughts  and ego not body i agree poor choice of words. Not kill literally just metaphor. There is also idea of transferring energy to our bhaugti. Another great reason to have shastar with you all the time.

explain about shastar

Read the 3 pinned threads.

On 8/10/2020 at 11:39 PM, Guest NoFap said:

@ragnarok what is hukam ? Can you elaborate.

I'm not sure how to describe this more than a 'feeling'. While meditating you should start differentiating between your mind (manmat) and Gurmat. 

Thoughts that arise themselves (not out of logic) and that are absent of any aspect of the five thieves is what I would consider hukam. 

People often make excuses that they can do something wrong because it's for a good cause, this is manmat, noble as it may be.

The way people treat you changes as you progress. 

Act in hukam, there's no need for these things to take you away from naad unless your reaction is not according to hukam. 

I don't understand why it takes you away from naad, is it because of the work itself? Or your reaction to the request? 

What kind of help is it that takes you away from naad? 

9 minutes ago, Soulfinder said:

 

Also mahapursh had a lot of bhagati which was the reason they successful in their parchar duty. One mahapursh had darshan of guru nanak dev ji 3 times whilst sitting in baba isher singh ji rara sahib jis deewan

Tell me more about this

22 hours ago, ragnarok said:

thats nonsense

 

sorry I didn't have time to expand on this when I wrote it.

Kirtan is Gurbani. Even if it's Dharna kirtan a la Rara Sahib, the message is that you should jap naam. If someone has that opinion I would get as far as possible.

One of the most confusing things about finding a murshid is that so many of the techniques of Gurmat overlap with techniques used for bad intent. People can dress themselves up like a Gursikh, and pretend like they are the real deal but underneath they can be, basically, spiritual thieves stealing your kamai. They will dress up their message with lots of truth but stick in a little grain of falsehood that enable them to harm you. Even if some of them are legit to begin with they can fall into the trap of maya on the way and get attracted to Sidhi etc.

My take is that if I were to look for a murshid I'd go to places where there is a long lineage, such as Bhai Daya Singh Samparda, for example

17 hours ago, Sukh_preet said:

 

One more thing, these kathas says that kirtan isn't worth taking us forth 

Sat Sri Akal

thats nonsense

Well sh*t.

5 hours ago, Premi said:

 

What is your source for this? 

I thought around 2-4 is the most beneficial time. ?

Sant Isher Singh Bachans, I think it was on youtube or gurbaniupdesh. 

12-2am is the most beneficial

2-4am is slightly less

4-6am slightly less again

Amrit Vela doesn't imply that you shouldn't do simran 24/7 or that there is anything wrong with doing it at a different time or that you need to wait for that time.

It starts at around midnight until 6am, being most beneficial from midnight to 2am.

6 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

Previous experiences seem to come and go. At this present time I’m back at the insects sounds which have been hearing for a long time. On some rare occasions I hear the high pitched continuous sehaj dhun. 

I’m hearing a weird water dripping sound sometimes. It's like one drop is falling from some height and falling in a pool of water. Wondering if it’s in my house or in my head. Probably some pipe.

You mentioned this dripping years ago and said you thought it was a pipe but then also heard it somewhere else?

Are your insects continuous?

This thread is 5 years old. Posts can be as long as you want as long the content is good. 

RE fits, shaking, squirming, rolling around while doing simran. This is caused by negative energy/karam/presences being pushed away by Gurbani. Once they're gone the experience develops into anand.

The Gurus and Bhramgianis probably never went through this process because it is caused by the presence of negative energy or bad karma which is something a Pavitar Pursh would not have in the first place.

On 5/18/2020 at 12:55 AM, Mbad said:

Great thanks for clarifying, the anhad are on and off so the mind needs more cleansing which is hard as everyone is home and  we get disturbed( my daughter is ahead of me as she zones out and sees twinkles floating then hears bells. )I just get a weird sensation where my body feels really relaxed then I fall asleep , but it’s relaxing and my head vibrates. I guess we need more gurmantar abhayas.

Having everyone home and pushing your buttons is a great opportunity to put things into practice.

37 minutes ago, Lucky said:

 

It would be extremely foolish to assume it's not airborne.  Especially after what "Fauci" says above. The virus is adapting and mutating. It can survive on surfaces for many hours, so how about all the microscopic dust particles and shedding from clothes and skin? 

At most it can be aerosolised, it's not the same as airborne. The difference is you need to be in close contact with someone, or touch something that has been infected whereas an 'airborne' virus would literally float around in the air. The finest Aerosols can stay in the air up to 3 hours, so far the main public risk for aerosol exposure is public toilets (you can create an aerosol when you poop), whereas health workers have more risks.

The infected droplets when you sneeze spread about 1m, less when you speak. 

Given that up to 50% of the infected are asymptomatic it would make sense for everyone to wear masks at this stage and assume that everyone is a carrier.

On another note, western media and gov sources are way behind the curve the response has been shambolic not to mention the problem with clickbait articles and politicisation of everything. Look at SE Asian sources for more balanced and honest news.

It's not airborne. When you speak you spit, it's unavoidable. If you're sick the droplets will spread th einfection.

in human form or a vision?

in terms of difficulty past karam is a factor. What may seem easy for one person would be due to past kamai.

The UK is beyond a joke. The response in most African countries has been decent, let alone Asia, putting the west to shame.

All these epidemics come from animal exploitation. The vast majority of new diseases are zoonotic. 

Interesting excerpts for us tl;dr types ;v

https://pathwork.org/lectures/the-higher-self-the-lower-self-and-the-mask/

Each living being has a higher self or divine spark. This is the finest and most radiant of the subtle bodies, with the quickest frequency of vibration, because the higher the spiritual development, the quicker the vibration. Since the fall of the angels, the higher self surrounded itself slowly and gradually with various layers of denser matter, not quite as dense as the physical body, but infinitely denser than the higher self. Thus did the lower self come into existence. From your perspective, these layers are of subtle matter which you cannot see with your physical eye.

The aim of spiritual development is to eliminate the lower self so that the higher self becomes free again of all outer layers it has acquired. In your own life, you will be able to sense quite easily, with yourself or others, that certain parts of the higher self are already free, while other parts are still hidden. How much is free or hidden, and how thickly it is hidden depends on the overall development of the respective person. The lower self consist not only of the common faults and the individual weaknesses that vary with each person, but also of ignorance and laziness. It hates to change and conquer itself; it has a very strong will that may not always manifest itself outside, and wants its way without paying the price. It is very proud and selfish, and always has a great deal of personal vanity. It is the ego with all its manifestations. All these characteristics are generally part of the lower self, regardless of other individual faults. There are many shades and possible forms however, in which the lower self can display these general trends. Such manifestations depend on various other factors, such as the personal faults which can have different effects on these common traits of the lower self. The qualities of the higher self, as well as various other circumstances, also influence the outer manifestation, intensity, degree, and direction that these general trends may take.

 

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There is another layer that is, unfortunately, not yet recognized sufficiently among human beings for its full significance, and that is what I might term the mask self. The mask self is created in the following way:  When you recognize that you may get into conflict with your surroundings by giving in to your lower self, you may still not be ready to pay the price for eliminating the lower self. This would mean first of all that you would have to face it as it really is, with all its motives and drives, since you can conquer only that which you are fully aware of. This means taking the narrow path, the spiritual path. Many people do not want to think that deeply; instead they react emotionally without thinking about facing the lower self. The subconscious feels it necessary to present a different picture of the self in order to avoid certain difficulties, unpleasantness, or disadvantages of all sorts. Thus people create another layer of the self which has nothing to do with reality, either with that of the higher self, or with the temporary reality of the lower self. It is what you might call phony or false; it is unreal.

I will return to the above example. The lower self dictates to the person to be quite ruthless about a selfish desire. It is not difficult for anyone of even the most limited intelligence to realize that by giving in to this desire he or she will be ostracized, or disliked by others—an outcome no one wants. Instead of overcoming selfishness by the slow process of development, people often act as though they were already unselfish. But they actually are selfish, and feel the selfishness. They hate the pressure of their higher selves to act contrary to the desires of their lower selves, but feel compelled to put on an act, which disturbs their inner peace, since it does not agree with their still predominant lower-self feelings. Their giving and their generosity are just a sham. In other words, the right act is entirely unsupported by the unpurified feelings, and therefore the person is at war within. The proper act becomes an act of necessity, of compulsion, instead of free choice. With such superimposed goodness does not count in the real sense. While you may give something, you may hate the idea. Not only do people remain convinced that they need to be selfish, but are also untrue to their nature, violating their reality and living a lie. I am by no means suggesting that it is advisable to give in to one’s lower nature; one must fight for enlightenment and strive for development in order to purify one’s feelings and desires. But if this is not accomplished, there should at least be no self-deception. One should have at least a clear and true picture about the discrepancy between feelings and actions. In this way, no mask self can form.

However, too often people try to believe in their own unselfishness and in that way fool themselves about their real feelings and motives by not showing them, and not wanting to look at them. After a while the evil will sink into the subconscious where it will ferment and create forms that have their effect and cannot be eliminated, because the person is unaware of them. The example of selfishness is merely one instance; there are many other traits and tendencies that go through the same process, my friends.

When people are emotionally sick, it is always a sign that in one way or another a mask self has been created. They do not realize they are living a lie. 

 

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