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Brothers, let's move to the topic below. Amardeep paaji - Can you please move all the posts above, related to the battle of Chamkaur, to the thread below. http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17086-battle-of-chamkaur-numbers/#comment-153917 Bhul chuk maaf

According to Sri Zafarnama Sahib jee, an army of 1 million (10 Lacs) attacked the Singhs. Quote ਗੁਰਸਨਹ ਚਿਹ ਕਾਰੇ ਚਿਹਲ ਨਰ ॥ ਕਿ ਦਹ ਲਕ ਬਰਾਯਦ ਬਰੋ ਬੇਖ਼ਬਰ ॥੧੯॥गुरसनह चिह कारे चिहल नर ॥ कि दह लक बरायद बरो बेख़बर ॥१९॥How could forty famished persons fight in the battlefield, on whom ten lakh soldiers made a sudden attack.19. Unquote [1] [1] - http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=2265 Are there any other historical sources which state the numbers? Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Daas's guess is that 1 million in mentioned in Sri Zafarnama Sahib jee, which is written in Farsi. A scholar of Persian language will have to be consulted to get his expert opinion on those verses. There are expressions in languages, which can be taken both, literally and metaphorically. Like, for example the expression in Punjabi, "Nak Kateya" (nose cut off - metaphorically it means, lost honor). A native speaker will be able to decipher the expression, when used, based on the context. Bhul chuk maaf

It is possible that 1 million men were used by the enemy for this task (Starting from surrounding the fort of Anandpur). Maybe 1 million were not sent at once, but in total, it is a realistic possibility. We also have to remember that deadly warriors such as Baba Udai Singh jee, Baba Alam Singh jee Nachna, Baba Bachitar Singh jee, etc, had already killed hundreds of thousands of enemy forces, before Maharaaj had reached Chamkaur Sahib. It is possible that the enemy commanders must have asked for additional reinforcements (assessing the amount of damage), in order to capture Satguru jee. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, Daas used the word "might". There is a possibility that hundreds of thousands were already there. Can you please provide the source, which states 700? Are you sure that they were regular forces? Were they any kind of special forces? There were three subas near Anandpur Sahib - Lahore, Sarhind and Delhi. On top of that, there were the forces of hill chiefs and other local forces in Punjab. Do you seriously think, that they did not have 1 million forces in total? Bhul chuk maaf

Guest jee - Please list to what sampradas they belonged to. How many of the above are associated with sects, which trace their origins to tenth master? If 100 people belonging to the same cult believe in a concept, then it only effectively counts as one vote. Bhul chuk maaf

Most likely, all puratan sampradas (which have produced many Gurmukh Brahamgyanis) believe in Sri Raagmala Sahib jee as Gurbani. Sri Sooraj Prakash granth has been tampered. Therefore, we will have to analyze it, in light of Gurbani. Bhul chuk maaf

Quote Sant Kartaar Singh jee Bhindrawale took Principal Jodh Singh jee (who did not believe in Sri Raagmala Sahib jee) along with an Ink expert to show him the Kartarpur wala saroop (which was written by Bhai Saab Bhai Gurdas jee Maharaaj). The Ink expert proved that the ang which has Sri Raagmala Sahib is the same as the previous angs of the saroop, same writer has written Sri Raagmala Sahib jee as the one who has written the previous Gurbani and the same ink has been used to write Sri Raagmala Sahib jee as used for other Gurbani. Principal Jodh Singh jee announced after this incident that he believes in Sri Raagmala Sahib jee. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16637-how-do-we-define-brahamgyani/?page=4#comment-147411 Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, please have a look. http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17084-suggestions-for-improvement/ Bhul chuk maaf

Daas would humbly request admins/mods to look into the following recommendations, which have the potential to make this forum a better place for many: - Ability to block all guests. - When a person blocks someone, you can still see the blocked person's messages, if someone else quotes them. If something can be done about it, that would great. This would ensure, complete blockage of that person. - If a registered member, posts as a guest, it must be mandatory for that person to state his/her id at the start of the message. - Gender based discussions, where members of opposite sex or any guest are not permitted to enter. This will assist us in discussing some sensitive topics. Gurparsaad, Sri Charitropakhian Sahib jee will be discussed in details on this forum. It should turn out to be learning experience, rather than a fiasco. - People who attack Gurbani, Sikh ethics and principles, maryada, Sikh masters, saints, warriors, etc, must be given strict warnings. Bhul chuk maaf

Dhan Guru Nanak.......toon hee Nirankar Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, he might be a great person, but we should be careful before using the titles of "Singh" and "Sikh" for someone. Present Radhaswami guru might also be of very high spiritual state. God willing, he will realize who is the greatest (Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj). Dhan Guru Nanak....toon hee Nirankar Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, is he a Sikh or a Radhaswamia? Bhul chuk maaf

According to maryada, the lady is suppose to follow the male, holding his palla in her hand. This signifies that the lady will stay faithful to the husband (faithful follower) and the husband is suppose to take care of his wife. There is an argument which states that a circle has no beginning or end; no front or back. This point is not completely incorrect, but there is a flaw with this argument. People who have a high school diploma, should be able to comprehend the below. - A circle has no front or back, if there is no direction involved. - Once a direction is specified (which is the case in Anand Karaj) and the points (bodies) are connected (with a palla), implying that they are moving as a unit, then there is a forward and a backward point. Imagine a car going around in a circle in a specified direction, is the engine at the front, or the trunk? Bhul chuk maaf

Sangat jee: Please have a look below. Utter blasphemy. http://singhstation.net/2014/12/anand-karaj-maryada-challenged-couple-takes-lavan-side-by-side/ Bhul chuk maaf

Sangat jee: It is completely safe to rely on the words of Gurmukh Brahamgyanis. Many people are just like kids, in the field of spirituality. It is very important for them to learn from elders. Relying completely on the words of heretics/vikaris/idiots/fools, etc is very very dangerous. Bhul chuk maaf

ਨਿਰਵੈਰ 1. Without enmity 2. Has only enmity for evil people 3. Free from bad karams Dhan Guru Nanak........Toon Hee Nirankar. Bhul chuk maaf

ਨਿਰਭਉ 1. Without fear 2. Giver of only fear to evil people 3. Free from birth and death Dhan Guru Nanak........Toon Hee Nirankar. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, can you please present that source? 700 soldiers might have been sent initially or as an reinforcement to the existing forces. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, what is your source? There were forces of Pahari Rajay too, along with Mughal forces. Bhul chuk maaf

Tenth master himself has stated in Gurbani that there were "Day (some word like this) Lakh" forces, which mean 10 lakhs (1 million). Bhul chuk maaf

ਗੁਰ 1. Illuminator of Darkness 2. Biggest 3. Worthy of worship Dhan Guru Nanak........Toon Hee Nirankar. Bhul chuk maaf

ਅਜੂਨੀ 1. Free from the cycle of reincarnation 2. Above Brahma jee 3. Above Maya Dhan Guru Nanak........Toon Hee Nirankar. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, there is a sakhi of third master (before Gurgaddi), when a Sadhu stayed at his house. Sadhu was disappointed when he came to know that Satguru jee was Niguray and left the house. Gurparsaad, will try to talk to a scholar about it. Sucham has been given very high importance in Sikhism. It will be surprising, if earlier Sikhs were not strict on it. Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, at Chamkaur Sahib, Maharaaj had 40 or so Singhs and the opposing army had 1 million men. Bhul chuk maaf