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Mugermach Singh,

Its about following guroo's hakum to wear dastar. I m not saying the people who dont wont get salvation. They will defo will. I guess everyone has in its own way to get to akaal init...

Though I dont agree for a bit with khalsa soujla twisted up story.

Can anyone enlighten this curious soul on this prediction of this avtar??? :cry: :cry:

and yeh we def. gotta have covered head with KESKI not chunni when we are eating. rahitnama bhai daya singh says women must have a topknot on their head, not any other way like the hindus.

Khalsa Soulja stop binding into bunch o f rules that dont even exits...you always talk about rehitnamas. I would very much like to see rehatnama's.

As far my sikhi is concern.. I would defo covery myhead with a parna not dastar because my kesh is drying. I think same should be with gals...

Stop making the rules veer you gonna get people sinus

at our low manmukh spiritual stage it wont make a difference, but once ur at bramgyani stage, eg baba ishar singh, u will definately feel a difference.

Baba ishar singh ji rara sahib or any bhramgyanis even ate from un-touchables.....

Bhramgyanis suppose to see god in every being....the claim you just made got no base.....

Off course you can desikudi... I know there are enuf gorra sikhs in america... lol

8) ..nice nice..!! but, aren't they already making a documentary about 1984..something called " hawayeein"--lead actor: babbu mann...is this the same thing..or ?? ..or something new??...

Thats a Indian Biased movie on 1984...I wouldnt trust that movie...that movie just shows 0.2% of the stuff

And no worries Gurmukh.. i ll help you out...can you please give us a hint what exactly you looki for.... is it video clips, pictures, news-paper articles???

well said Mugermach singh

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Ok pyareoo chaaki chaloooo phatteh pher

I have about 30 divans...

That Audio tape is like a ocean where beautiful concept of sikhi- peace of mind, get rid of suffering, scarifices, 5 vices all been discussed.

But its not for everyone..because i have tried this attempt i actually gave this tape to about 20 people. But they still cant figure out whats the point in the tape??

Its like you are dying for thrist but ocean is right front of you. You have doubts in your mind and your mind thinks its not a ocean but its a pond.

So its not everyone to beleive in and only people who can beleive in it its because vaheguroo wants them to beleive..

oh btw its baba ishar singh ji rara sahib divan... i be settin up my ftp server again on thrusday.. you can have it then.

Why people like changes all the time?? Why cant they stick with old traditional sikhi???

I mean you go in gurdwara to pray that should be your concern not little and pitty things like oh how come woman and men dont sit together... oh gosh you guys have really free time to argue over smalll matters...

These Singers would do anythin for money but we shouldnt generalize.

Look at hans raj hans. He really was humble when he sang two albums on sikhi but then he came back to his normal phase.

One thing is MAYA and Popularity Off course...

Canadian Jatti,

Age wise i was ready in 20 yr old. It might take miracle to beleive me but just One audio tape changed me from hard-core crack-head to amrit-dhari :mrgreen:

First of all ji

welcome to the site.

You are right about genderaism in our punjabi culture however as far as sikh scriptures are concern there is no gender bias. Here what our guroo's sahiban said about woman-

In praise of women.

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, pg. 473)

Marriage is an equal partnership of love and sharing between husband and wife.

"They are not said to be husband and wife, who merely sit together. Rather they alone are called husband and wife, who have one soul in two bodies." (Guru Amar Das, Pauri, pg. 788)

Women have an equal right to participate in the congregation.

"Come my sisters and dear comrades! Clasp me in thine embrace. Meeting together, let us tell the tales of our Omnipotent Spouse (God). In the True Lord are all merits, in us all demerits." (Guru Nanak Dev, Sri Rag, pg. 17)

God is the husband and we are all his brides.

"The spouse is but One and all others are His brides. The false bride assumes many religious garbs. When the Lord stops her going into another's home, then is she summoned into her Lord's mansion without any let and hindrance. She is adorned with the Name and is dear to her True Lord. She alone is the true bride and the Lord lends her His support." (Guru Nanak Dev, Ramkali, pg. 933)

God is our Mother as well as our Father.

"Thou O Lord, art my Father and Thou my Mother. Thou art the Giver of peace to my soul and very life." (Guru Arjan Dev, Bhairo, pg. 1144)

Faithfulness to ones spouse is stressed.

"The blind-man abandons the wife of his home, and has an affair with another's woman. He is like the parrot, who is pleased to see the simbal tree, but at last dies clinging to it." (Bhagat Nam Dev, Bhairo, pg. 1165)

The rape and brutalities committed against women by the Mughal invader Babar condemned.

"Modesty and righteousness both have vanished and falsehood moves about as the leader, O Lalo. The function of the Qazis and the Brahmins is over and the Satan now reads the marriage rites (rape). The Muslim women read the Quran and in suffering call upon God, O Lalo. The Hindu women of high cast and others of low caste, may also be put in the same account, O Lalo." (Guru Nanak Dev, Tilang, pg. 722)

The practice of women burning themselves on their husband's funeral pyre (sati) condemned.

"They cannot be called satis, who burn themselves with their dead husbands. They can only be called satis, if they bear the shock of separation. They may also be known as satis, who live with character and contentment and always show veneration to their husbands by remembering them." (Guru Amar Das, Var Suhi, pg. 787)

The ritual of dowry so prevalent in Indian society condemned.

"Any other dowry, which the perverse place for show, that is false pride and worthless gilding. O' my Father! give me the Name of Lord God as a gift and dowry." (Guru Ram Das, Sri Rag, pg. 79)

Look guys...

I dont want you to debate over kesh and keski...i be deleting all threads regarding keski is a kakar...

For vaheguroo sakes stop bringin up your kakar's arguments in this thread.

Stick to the bloody topic :twisted: :twisted:

no group singh that was brillantly said. keep it up mate.

So basically what the majority is saying out there is that until I make the decision to become an amritdhari, I'm not a sikh...

Thats not what we are saying thats what gurbani says...scroll up you will see mr singh givin you the verse.. we are nobody to tell you what you are or not..we can show you the verse from the sikh scriptures...

Ok... how come Guru Nanak Dev Ji didn't start this up in the beginning then, how come Guru Gobind Singh Ji created it, what was the purpose of becoming an amritdhari. Couldn't a person place themself at the Guru's charan without physically changing themself???

Before guroo gobind singh ji ..there was a amrit called charan amrit as well where kesh was really important as well...

Thing is I'm willing to take up all the K's except for the kesh one at this point (which I stress is right now)...I'm born and bred in a canadian town, I'm very independent...I love wearing skirts and dresses, and enjoying life in general...I treat myself by going to get my hair down at the end of the year...(like colouring cutting, etc.) Is there something wrong with me then???

Kesh does play a important role in spirtual enchancement...if you see the porpehts from all the relegion they had kept unshorn hair all the times... hair concept is a sacred one...

No there is nothing wrong with you...but you gottta feeling inside that you can not keep kesh...thats quite common for youths... sikhism helps you control the mind...by controlling the mind you can get rid of all the suffering, desires and other stress in life....how you control the mind??? by understanding scriptures...reading them and following them...

what would u choose these "materealistic world" or "peace of mind"??? i would go for peace of mind anyday.....

Also canadian jatti,

If someone from now on bothers you just ignore them because ignoring the world and attachin with the guroo's feet with no desires, ego, greed, anger,attachment,lust and being inferior... it cant get better than that...if you do that ji... you will see big change in yourself...you will get peace of mind.. anand hi anand...

And all you fools....our guroo's are hungry for love ..give them love rather than deciding who is sikh or not.. look at urself first....

there is no hurting term in sikhi... singh be strong... haija da khopriiiiya lehniya

Main aim of an sikh is to be dust of guroo's feet which is sggs and follow guroo's hakum.

Note: Following guroo's hakum with no hestiation plays very important role in spirtual development and that is intiatated in khalsa way of life. People often say i m sikh from inside it shouldnt matter from outside. If a person can soo much inside by following guroo's hakum and then why cant person can change from outside?? 5K'S plays very important role in khalsa way of life where every kesh on your organ says vaheguroo's naam where kirpan is to balance soldier and saint concept where kanga take care of sacred hair, where kara take care of personal strength and where kachera take care of lust and other desires you might have.

- Calling someone sikh or not sikh is not a job of anyone except the person who is claiming. He/she decide by lookin at the history if he/she deserve to be sikh or not.

I hope that helps canadian jatti sahiban

isnt that the stuff dat strick hindus do? like some go into poses for ever, some tie themselves up to a tree forever and stuff. didnt Guru Ji tell ppl not do to do dat?

plz, i didnt mean to hurt anyones feelins.

ps - doesnt dat hurt the head???

Veer he is doing naam simran with full concentration... guru ji told us not to torture ourselves.. but he is not really tortuing himself is he??? it may seem to us but for him this a best way of concentration... so leave him alone... leave the poor sant alone under the feet of the guroo

If you in love with vaheguroo.. you wouldnt be unsure..

Its called samadhi marg ji...this method is one of its kind. He can probably do that pose for days without moving..just amazing stuff what these guroo da pyareaa- mahapursh can do in love with vahegurooo