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Sikh spiritual journey starts from fear to love but not always as everyone is at different spiritual level, there are lot of factors in play for eg- previous births bhagti etc. But most often we do see these days - great tendency of sikh(learner) being stuck in fear in dualism as its also an ego trap..so transitioning to love isn't happening...all though its part of hakum, which is fine but there comes an point where these subtle tendencies are mentioned as mentioned in gurbani as caution- if act is done in total fear there is less clarity, one is less receptive to inner truth and integrity, self-awareness. Fear is intial stage where one can must overcome by love (bhau/prema-bhagti) if this isnt' happening and its been 10 years then student isn't really serious about it.

Our real nature is fearless nirvair- no hate, nirbhauo- fearlesss take no fear, give no fear as there is only ONE nothing else.

Can we get more videos on gyani kulvant singh ji question and answers?

One perception also helps from transcendence from anger is to consider yourself as primordial peace instead of getting to peace, just simply recognize/identify with pure silence between words, gap between thoughts, consecutive thoughts that will help loosen to our clinging to our thoughts structure under which all these emotions, five vices arises.

I found references to this from kirtan sohila gurbani katha in wider japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale. I will post the scanned page of this soon.

Ok guys lets take a deep breath everyone or take a small break to self reflect, will lock this thread later on this evening until we get eye witness account or further analysis. Please send me pm if you have anything significant to add. In the meanwhile, please add your closing statements on this thread.

​While what you saying may be quite well be true my argument or crux argument is

a) in western countries there are innovative female products for period which deals with hygiene quite well

b.) Its not rule written on stone as its circumstantial case by case basis based on individual sharda, prem and intention.

Original video where all it began ..its been going on for few year s

​Regarding suchum singh according to my understanding its based on Guru maharaj and bhramgyanis case by case interactions with people. I don't think its general rule for them either for or against. Its bit slippery slope if you are not careful it can turn into dogma if you loosen discipline to much then its not right either. That's why internal vivek (pure intuitive congnitive perception) is so important.

I am just quoting what she said regarding death threat made by sant hari singh ji fan that has to separately investigated, according to her it was sant ji fan called the cops not them... Off course it was totally unfair what sant hari singh had to go through and put up with yelling and screaming, kids like tantrums this missionary circus show, as he didn't get a chance to speak. I don't agree with baba ji reasonings in the original video as its lack contexualization but thats separate point

​Here is the video 

from 2.07-2.15..looks like cops were called before the threat was uttered..according to that testimony:

I may be wrong but it appears cops were called in after some fan of sant hari singh ji utter death threat to woman there of beheading her. 

​Looks like thats not happening. Why don't you address this issue on community level with fellow male counter parts first then pointing out what female should do or not do.? I don't see you using same passion towards  the cause "men must also respect women"...do you really think sikh men are respecting woman as they should? Like basic human courtesy and consideration? 

​Most likely bro, but the problem is when we make or see it as - us (Pro dasam) vs them (anti dasam granth) approach then we usually tend to miss out legitmate sound arguments from  "them" party as we fall into bias we let our bias come in before our judgement. Trick to do unbias anyalsis is to simply watch the discussion without pre conditioning or pre conceived notions on both parties just watch the discussion as simple witness hawk- eagle/baaz and go from there with clear pure perception.

​Whichever person who said that as mentioned in the video- should be formally charged by police in BC for uttering death threats. This is serious stuff...should not be taken lightly.

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Ermm no thanks bro..We are not talibans. 

​Yes they seem too. I went there few years ago with bhai sukha singh-katha vachik.

In this incident, not just women spoke and many sound arguments were also made by men as well there supporting women. I support their sound arguments and even beleive sant hari singh ji didn't explain orginal katha well or gave proper contexual answers- there were lot of grey areas its not as black and white .....however, women yelling, screaming, throwing tantrums, interrupting live divan of katha was quite childish and manmat on their part. Again giving credit where its due, sant hari singh ji randhwale showed by example on how to have gurmat discussion in quiet and calm manner.

​You are right, but they seem to be emotionally offended for raising voice - i cannot seem to blame them totally as things are not explained in contexts/stages rather - my way based on traditions or highway.

​Not sure bro, but its in sufism spiritual framework. In anycase, guru maharaj has re-defined it for muslims, everyone and including sikhs. As gurbani applies to everyone.

​How do you know? Sangat is Guru-roop, hidden gems resides in sangat. Lets not undermine anyone here bro. Remember sakhi of asthavakar (eight year old pupil who had eight folds in body)? How so called many religious authority hindu leaders laugh at him? when he came to resolve doubts of raja janak? How this eight year disabled boy cleared doubt of raja janak with bhramgyan dristhi breaking hankars of soo called hindu bhramin religious authority in the sabha, told them how they have cham dristhi - limited to only body not to the soul, soul is never affected by anything.

My take is - never undermine anyone just by looking at external body (cham) 

Yes indeed is slippery slope but same can said to mind make it external rehits into dogma, it only becomes slippery slope when mind is not introverted fully to naam where one rises above from external distinctions. Here is another message for transcendence from sri akal ustat:

Sabh Karam Fokat Jaan
Sabh Dharam Nehfil Maan
Bin Ek Naam Adhar
Sabh Karam Bharam Veechar
 

Consider all actions (rituals) useless
Consider all dharmic acts (shows) fruitless
without the support of the Naam
all acts are just empty ritual or superstition

If you read framework on stages - shariat (dharam khand) , tariqat (gian khand) , marfat (saram and karam khand) and hakikat (sachkhand), you will notice stages state of mind individuals. Here maharaj is advising to adapt spiritual life (inner revelation/introvertness/meditation/contemplation/control of mind) consider that as maryada of shariat (first level), tariqat (second), marfat and hakikat. Guru maharaj just re-defined external rituals here as performed in shariat to raise level of consciouness of seeker (sikh).

​Not really something cannot be changed, but rest are subjected to individual spiritual development stages, transcendence. Gurbani message trumphs all, tell sant hari singh randhawale to explain this framework:

​Just because she plucked her eye brows does not mean she cannot have good sound argument- vahiguru exist in everyone operating mysteriously through everyone   its exactly this type of cheap shots from hard liners, people are being put off from sikhi all together.

I stand by with her.

​You do some have weight in your argument. However its just not proportionate with women with period for for following reasons-

1. This implies women does not take bath  but in fact they do during period or off period 

2.  Due to women innovative products dealing with period, hygienic impurity issues with women during period is been reduced to almost none. So this circumstantial maryada does not apply in this day and age thanks to technology evolution.

3. The problem is many sikhs have failed to realized - realities realities (in this case small maryada of preventing women doing seva of maharaj during their period) is subjected to change as its circumstantial based on individual jevan basis and more importantly subjected to underpinning of absolute reality of maharaj  - inner soul intention-sharda and prem- feeling so both for and against argument towards this small maryada rule cannot be used as precedence either way.