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  1. Wow.....This is fantastic!! Too bad we don't have any picture of Jassa Singh Ahlluwalia or any of the Dal Khalsa members. If I'm not mistaken it is written above the picture... Maharaja Ranjit Singh-....I coudn't quite get the second part. My Punjabi sucks.
  2. I am reminded of this one story of the Sikh Gurus. Baba Chand asked Guru Amar Das (or Ram Das?) as to why does he spots a long beard? The Guru replied "so that I may be able to dust your feet whenever I meet you'? This is the level of humility the Gurus possesed. Unfortunately many of todays Sikhs are arrogant and believe they are in the position to judge how others are to address the Gurus and what may or may not be said about them. You may lock a silly thread in a forum but how will you stop the world from commenting or critisizing? How is this behaviour different from those Muslims in Muslim forums? Just put forth a few 'sensitive' questions about Muhammad and you are immideatly banned. Please allow me to share a similar experience.During the last Vasakhi I was at a local temple and a few of the sewadars were giving out pocket calenders with Guru Gobind Singh picture on one side. When I was given one I proceeded to put it in my wallet. I was reprimanded by one of my self acclaimed 'amartari' friend as he claims it is rude/disrespectful to do so (put the calender in my wallet). This cartoon character actually expects me to put the picture up on some wall and maybe put flowers at the base of the picture. Can you believe that? Wow, we've left Hinduism but we still carry some of our Hindu baggage with us. Are we creating our own set of idols? And this is the funny part, my friend who reprimanded me was drunk at the time!! Apparently he was delusioned to believe that he was able to come to a Sikh temple drunk but I am not allowed to keep a pocket calender in my wallet. Yeah this is what happening these days, we are creating a bunch of judgemental freaks amongst us!
  3. I posted a couple of Santa/Banta jokes in the jokes folder and our moderator believes they constitute racism or have racist tendencies. I have started a thread at http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...opic.php?t=3774 to see what everybodys opinion here is on Santa/Banta jokes. I dunno but I don't find them racist and mind you my grandfathers name was Banta Singh.
  4. 1.I was told by my mother and the rest of my family from a tender age my father is really who he claims to be. Also he provides for me day in and day out. If there is still any suspicion on my part, I can undergo a DNA test. FYI there are many children out there who are told lies about the truth of their parentage because of various reasons ie;adoption,fidelity,...If they were to follow your advise, would they ever know the truth? 2. I don't walk naked as the human body makeup is not the same as animals. We woudn't survive for long without the protection of clothes. Also I have been conditioned from a young age to believe it is shameful to parade myself naked. 3. Same answer as in 2. BTW are you aware of nudist colonies? 4. I don't have sex with my own sister as I have been conditioned from a tender age by my community and the world at large that such an act is dispicable. I have also been taught in schools that the offsprings of such communions produce retarded offsprings. BTW there ARE cultures out there which condones such acts and don't see anything wrong with it. Heck even the British royal families were known to do that. Did you know that for a very long time the Eskimos/Inuits upheld a culture that if you were to visit them, you had to have sex with their wives? If you didn't, you would be considered arrogant. What have you to say to that? Wrong, we have not asked these questions because we already know the answers to them. If the world were to take your stance when it comes to questions, we would still be living in the stone age. Sikhism was BORNE out of questioning. It began with Guru Nanak questioning accepted beliefs at the time. Guru Nanak questioned the validity to the threading ceremony he had to undergo when he was young. He questioned the Brahmin practise of throwing water toward the sun in the hopes of it reaching their ancestors in Heaven. He questioned Muslim belief of not pointing their feet toward the Kaaba. Can you imgine if the answers to Guru Nanaks questions would have been similar to the ones you provided and with Guru Nanak being satisfied with it? There would be no Sikhism today! You and me my friend would probably be in some Hindu temple 'throwing' water to our ancestors in heaven! My understanding to Sikhism may not be as much compared to many of the readers here however I think I do know the gist of it. I can't help but believe that many Sikhs today are changing the original version of Sikhism to a somewhat different type of Sikhism, the type no questions are to be asked and everything should be trusted on blind faith. It feels like Sikhism is undergoing a metamophorsis, from a religion that began with questioning to the 'talibinization' of Sikhism, making it similar to Islam and Hinduism. What type of child do you think Guru Nanak was?
  5. Firstly nobody JUDGED the Gurus. Do you know what the meaning of judging means? If I call you a liar, I have then JUDGED you. Do you understand? BTW where have we advocated we are at a higher level of spirituality to the Gurus? We were merely discussing making a movie about the Gurus and you went off on a tangent accusing us of judging the Gurus. Wheather the Gurus were Gurus/Prophets or Gods as many would like to believe, they were in human form. What is wrong then in discussing about making a movie about the Gurus? What is the wrong that has been committed here? I'm shocked at how he made that accusation and locked that thread. This reflects very poorly on a moderator of a forum which purports to have discussions about Sikhism. Well said. Errr...thats what I thought too. But I guess we have to be 'careful' what we are discussing about lest we be accused of judging. Dear Mr.Singh and the rest of you, the point infernal Monk what trying to convey was that this is a discussion forum. How are discussions and learning to take place when we have moderators who are emotional and act childish by simply locking threads when the discussions takes place on topics which are 'sensitive' to him/her?
  6. Sorry Mr.Singh. I think we've got a bit of a miscommunication here. My point is that Christians are wrong in stating Jesus is son of God and the rest of humanity isn't. I though the stuff adminji posted was from him but apparently it was copy paste from another site. so you see, it was all a miscommunication. BTW can anybody here tell me why is Khalsa Soulja banned? I've seen his posts on other sites and from what I know of him, he's a pretty behaved chap.
  7. For YOUR info, I am a 'chooda' Punjabi and I am proud of myself!! Any 'choodas' out here?? 'Choodas' rule!!!!!
  8. What was the point to this quote? It just merely states Guru is Bani and Bani is Guru. Where does it state Guru is God? Thats because many Sikhs have a larger then life potrayal of the Gurus and a movies will show the Gurus as they really were; the Great Men that they were. Muslims too are against the making of a movie depicting Muhammad and probably for the same reasons Sikhs like you who are dead set against any movie portraying the Gurus.
  9. Are you aware that Christians regard only Jesus Christ is son of God and not the rest of humanity?
  10. Why not? Of course he can never be as good looking as the true Guru but hey, hey ain't that bad. You're againts it because you were brainwashed to treat the sikh Gurus like God when they themselves have stressed countless times they are mere Gurus. The suggestion is about a movie. I see no wrong in that. In fact imgine a movie was made about Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Can you imagine it? Wow.....
  11. Can you show me which shabad/bhani/hukam in the SGGS that states Jesus was the son of God? I await your reply.
  12. Hey so are Punjabi guys!! Bruaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh...Bale Bale!!!!
  13. Spoken like a true Hindu apologist. Tell that to the thousands of Sikhs in Punjab who's religion is officially not recognised. Why is Sikhism recognised around the globe but not in your beloved 'mother India'? Sikhs need to wake up to the reality of this ugly cult. Raja Ranjit Singh was a big time Hindu apologist and look where it has gotten us. There are some people who believe they are martians from the planet Mars. Just like Sikhs who believe Sikhism is a re-purification of the Bhakti movement, I really don't care. The truth is the truth and no matter how many lies Hindus weave, the SGGS has the truth. Sikhs are not Hindus and vice versa. Jeez, you are definitely on the top of the list of ignoramouses. You are truly a character. Read this and wake yourself up to the truth of your religion. The English Invention of Hinduism Non-Existence of Hinduism Before 1830 Hinduism did not exist before 1830. It was created by the English colonialsts in the 1830s. This remarkable circumstance is evidenced by the fact that none of the travellers who visited India before English rule used the word `Hindu' or 'Sanatana'. This is amply borne out by the Encyclopedia Britannica, which states : " The term Hinduism ... [ was ] introduced in about 1830 by British writers. " -- [ EB 20 `Hinduism ' 519 ] In other words, the founding father of 'Hinduism' is an Englishman ! Nowhere in the Vedas, Puranas or any other religious text prior to 1830 AD are the terms `Hindu' or `Sanatana Dharma' used. Not a single inscription contains the terms `Hindu' or `Sanatana' prior to the Muslim era. The myth that Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma existed prior to this has been discarded in many theological circles, and the fantasy that Santana Dharma is `One Religion' has been abandoned - " The term "Hindusthan" was first used by a 12th century AD Afghan dynasty of Muhammad Ghori who dubbed his new subjects "Hindus". Prior to this era, no one in any region of South Asia had ever used these terms to define themselves." There is no mention of either of these terms in "ancient Brahmanical books (the oldest of which do not predate the 11th century; also the oldest "Brahmanical" temples are all post Buddhist, after 8-9th century A.D.). Ironically, two of the three core concepts of the Poorbia Brahmanist imperialistic program of "Hindu and Hindusthan" are borrowed from post-12th century Muslim (Afghan and Mogul) regimes." --[ Khals ] In recent years has arisen the movement for a revival of Dravidian religion. Two of the main proponents of this movement have exploded the fallacy of the `Sanatana Dharma' concept invented by a European-Smarta-Brahmin conspiracy as follows - " We are cognizant of the fact that the term 'Hindu religion' can not be found before the arrival of the Europeans in India. We are also aware of the fact that it was the Europeans who coined the term 'Hindu religion' to denote the Indian religions that were originated in India and followed by the Indians. Since the term 'Hindu religion' denotes all the religions of India together, it cannot refer to any particular religion. And since the term 'Hindu religion' consists of many religions which have different doctrines and are contrary to each other, there will be leaders for each religion and there cannot be a common leader for all the religions since they are controversial to each other. For instance, how can there be a common leader for both Buddhism and Saivism, which are contrary to each other. Hence the belief that there is a common leader for Hindu religion is superstitious and displays ignorance. Hence, the statement that 'The Brahmins are the leaders of Hindu religion' exhibits ignorance and deceptive. " [ Deva ] Indeed, the Aryan race of Brahmins were never the leaders of any of the religions of Dravidian religion, Kolarian religion, Buddhism or Jainism. They were only the leaders of the 6 orthodox schools of Brahmanism, which includes Vedism and Vaishnavism - " History reveals that the Europeans coined the term Hindu religion and saw nothing wrong in doing so. " -- [ Dev ] Hinduism is hence an invention of the Europeans, nothing more and nothing less. It should more properly be subdivided into the religions of Brahmanism and Shaivism, Shaktism, Tantrism and Saurism. Greeks and Indian Religions The Aryans referred to the region now known as 'Punjab' (Persian `Land of 5 Rivers'), as 'Sapta Sindhu'. In Old Achaemenid Persian this became 'Hapta Hindwa', and 'Hindwa' then meant `Inhabitant of the Indus', completely without religious significance. In Greek 'Hindwa' became 'Indoi' (Indian), whence the Latin 'Indus' river and 'India'. The Greeks expanded the meaning of India to include the entire subcontinent. It was never used to denote any religion in Greek or Latin. The Greeks never used the word 'Hindu', nor did the Romans. Arabs and 42 Indian Religions In Old Persian `Hindwa' denoted only the 'Region around the Indus River' and not the whole of India. In Pahlavi or Middle Persian this developed into 'Hindustan' (The Land of the Indus) but still denoted only the region around the Indus river. It was later Sanskritised to 'Hindusthan'. This meaning was later distorted to denote 'Land of Hindus'. In recent years the terms 'Dravida Nadu' or 'Dravidistan' and 'Dalitstan' have been coined to denote the regions where Dravidoids and Dalits respectively are a majority. 'Sudra Nadu' or `Sudrastan' has developed as an umbrella term for Dravidistan and Dalitstan. A full one-third of all Negroes in the world inhabit this Sudrastan, and Pan-Negroism has played a considerable role in the spread of this movement. The Arabs adopted the Old Persian 'Hindwa' as 'Hind' (India) and 'Hindwi' (Indian). Neither of these words were used as applying to any religion; they were purely geographical and national terms. None of the medieval Arab travellers was aware of one single monolithic faith being practiced. In fact, all the Arab travellers referred to the Indians as practicing 42 different religions : " Ibn Khurdaba has described that in India there are 42 religions. Al Idrisi also observes that 'Among the principal nations of India there are 42 sects. Some recognise the existence of a creator, but not of prophets, while others deny the existence of both. Some acknowledge the intercesory powers of graven stones, and others worship holy stones, on which butter and oil is poured. Some pay adoration to fire, and cast themselves into the flame. Others adore the sun and consider it the creator and director of the world. Some worship trees; others pay adoration to serpents, which they keep in stables, and feed as well as they can. deeming this to be a meritous work. Lastly, there are some who give themselves no trouble about any kind of devotion, and deny everything." ' --[ Arab.p.57 ]. Al Idrisi's description of Indian religions given above presents a clear description of the many different faiths practiced in India. He has accurately described the existence of Sun-worshippers (Rajput Sauras) and Atheists (Carvakas) as separate religions. None of the Arab travellers was aware of there being only one religion in India. This proves that `Sanatana Dharma' did not exist at that time. Some of the Arab travellers even increased the number of Indian religions to 48: " The Jamiu-l Hikayat increases the number of religions in India to 48 "--[ Arab.57.n1 ] An exhaustive treatment of the Indian religions is given later on. To summarize, in the words of the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, " The word [ Hindu ] was never used in Indian literature or scriptures before the advent of Muslims to India " [ ERE.6.699 ], cf. also [ Tirtha.p.vii ]. If at all it was used in a racial sense, " the Muslim rulers used the term 'Hindu' [ correctly `Hindooi' ] to mean Indian non-Muslims only." [ Basic ] The traveller Qazwini has also described the various different religions prevalent in ancient India, clearly mentioning Brahmanism as a separate religion : " Qazwini (1203 AD - 1280 AD) says that there are various sects among the people of Hind. Some believe in the creator, but not the propher. They are the Brahmans. There are some who believe in neither. There are some who worship idols, some the moon and some other, fire." --[ Nain.230 ] Asokan inscriptions also contain the term `brahmana va sramana', indicating a fundamental distinction between the Brahminists, followers of the 6 orthodox schools of Brahmanism, and the Sramanas or `nastika' heretics. Qazwini correctly describes Brahmanism as accepting a creator - God, something which the Sramanas do not do. Qazwini's "there are some who believe in neither" almost definitely refers to these nastiks (Jains, Buddhists, Atheists). Yet another traveller Abul Faaj (988 AD) mentioned the sects of India, and was completely unaware of the existance of `One Religion': " al-Dinikitiya - These are worshippers of the Sun. They have an idol placed upon a cart supported by 4 horses. They believe that the Sun is the king of the angels deserving worship and adoration. They prosrate themselves before this idol, walk round it with incense, playing the lute and other musical instruments .. " [ Nain.228 ] . " al-Jandrihkriya " [ Chandra + kranti ] " They are worshippers of the moon. They say that the moon is one of the angels deserving honour and adoration. Their custom is to set up an idol, to represent it, on a carrt drawn by 4 ducks. In the head of this idol is a gem called jandarkit" [ Nain.229 ] [ jandarkit is moonstone, "said to emit moisture when placed in the moonlight, and believed by some to be a congelation of the moon's rays." Nain.229.n3 ] " Anshaniyya " [ Sans. Anasana - fasting ] " those who abstain from food and drink " [ Nain.230 ] " Bakrantiniya are those who fetter their bodies with iron. Their practice is to shave off hair and beard and not to cover the body except for the private parts. It is not their custom to teach or speak with anyone apart from those of their religion." [ Nain.230 ] " Kangayatra [ Gangayatra ] " scattered throughout Hind. Their belief is that, if a man commits a grave sin, he must travel to the Ganges [ and ] ... wash [in it]" [Nain.230 ] " Rahmarniyya [ Raja + Tam. manam = honour, self-respect; rajapimani = supporters of the king ] They say, "God, exalted be He, made them kings. If we are slain in the service of kings, we reach paradise." [ Nain.230 ] " There is another sect whose practice is to grow long hair." do not drink wine, ... temple on hill called hawran [ Nain.230 ] Hence, there existed at the time of the Arabs several distinct religions. This is simply because `Hinduism' or `Sanatana Dharma' had not yet been invented by the Europeans. Like many aspects of early Indology, the concept of `Hinduism' was overly simplistic and utterly baseless. According to Jawaharlal Nehru, the earliest reference to the word 'Hindu' can be traced to a Tantrik book of the eighth century C.E., where the word means a people, and not the followers of a particular religion. The use of the word 'Hindu' in connection with a particular religion is of a very late occurrence [ Nehru, p.74-75 ]. Portuguese and Gentoos The Portuguese never even used the word 'Hindu' or `Santana' or any of the variants to denote any Indian religion, proving that Hinduism, did not exist as a concept at the time of the Portuguese. Instead, they referred to the `Hindus' as `Gentoos'. Portuguese dictionaries give the following definition of `Gentoo': Gentio (Hindu, gentile, a heathen, pagan) + applied by the Portuguese to the Hindus in contradistinction to the Mouros, or Moors ie. Mohammedans. [ Asia, p.167-168 ] + Anglo-Ind. `gentoo', Konk. jintu Gentilico (`the language of the Hindus') + `em gentilico' in the Hindu or vernacular langauge + still applied to the Telugu language The word `Gentoo' still survives in usage, and is applied to the Telugus: " The word `gentoo' is used at the present time only in Madras of the Telugu-speaking Hindus and their language." --[ Asia, p.168 ] Duarte Barbosa As an illustration of the fact that Sanatana Dharma did not exist at the time of the Portuguese, a few quotations from Duarte Barbosa, a Portuguese traveller who visited India, are given. The Indians are always referred to as `Gentoos': " And before this kingdom of Guzerate fell into the hands of the Moors, a certain race of Gentios whom the Moors called Resbutos dwelt therein." [ Duarte Barbosa, ed. Dames, Vol. I, p.109 cited in Asia, p.167.n3 ] " And in this kingdom there is another sort of Gentio whom they call Baneanes." [ Duarte Barbosa, ed. Dames Vol. I, p.109 in Asia, p.167.n4 ] Contemporary Documents Documents from the early modern period also do not mention `Sanatanis'; they only mention `Gentoos': " The Originall of this Petition (to Charles II) ... is signed by 225 of the principalest inhabitants of this Island, viz. 123: Christians and 84: Gentuis 18: Moores " -- [ `Anglo-Portuguese Negotiations relating to Bombay 1660-1677' (OUP) by S.A.Khan, p.453 ] Another term used by Europeans as applying to the followers of Native Indian Religions was `Banian'. " The early European travellers applied the term [ Banian ] to the followers of the Hindu religion generally " [Asia, p.38 ] The term in fact denotes a Jain trader (from vaniyan Sansk. vanij, trader). Creation of Hinduism after 1830 by the English Colonialists The Brahmins of India actively collaborated with the English colonialists in their conquest of India. As a result, the English rewarded them by inventing the designation `Leaders of Hinduism' for their loyal servants, their Aryan Brahmin cousins. Gentoos & Anglo-Indians The English came to India after the Portuguese, and due to the immense cultural influence of the latter, the English also adopted the word Gentoo as applying to any follower of an Indian religion: " The first digest of Indian legislation, which was complied under orders of Warren Hastings and published in 1773, has the title `A Code of Gentoo Law'."--[Asia,p.168] Yule is led to believe that the English form Gentoo did not come into general use till late in the 17th century. [ Asia.168 ] Nor did the early English travellers use the words `Hindu' or `Sanatani', instead they used the Portuguese word `Gentoo': " The late scarcity of provisions necessitating us to take some cows from the Jentue inhabitants to supply the fleet... " -- [ Forrest, Selections, Home Series, Vol. II, p.31 cited in Asia,p.167.n1 ] " The Gentues , the Portugal Idiom for Gentiles, are the Aborigines, who enjoyed their freedom till the Moors or Scythian Tartars .. undermining them, took advantage of their Civil Commotions." -- [ Fryer, East India, Hak. Soc. Vol. I, p.81 in Asia, p.167.n1 ] Thus the concept of `Hindu' or `Sanatani' as applying to a religion did not exist, nor were any of these terms used by the early English colonialists. Hence, even by the time of the early English colonialists `Hinduism' did not exist. Invention of Hinduism by English Census-Compilers The English census-compilers were assigned the daunting task of conducting the Indian head-count by the British government. These people were not theologians, and coined the term `Hindu' as a blanket term to encompass several religions. Thus a `Hindu' was defined in the Census as anybody who was not Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or Jain. It was thus an exclusivist term: Hinduism was defined by what it was not, and not by what it was. It is hence entirely unsuitable as a definition. Later the term Sanatana Dharma was invented to deliberately submerge the English creation of Hinduism. In the words of the Babri Masjid archive [ Basic ] : " Finding it difficult to get the names of the religions of these communities, the British writers gave them the word "Hinduism" to be used as a common name for all of their religions in about 1830." --[ Basic citing EB 20:581] Indeed, the concept of Hinduism was invented by the English with the ulterior motive of making their loyal servents, the Aryan Brahmins, the rulers of India. " The Europeans who came to India in 1498 A.D. for the purpose of establishing trade became the rulers of India. History reveals that the Aryan Brahmins were the supporters and assistants for the Europeans to capture the political power of India and enslave the Indians . It is a political strategy to befriend the traitors within a country in order to get its secrets and capture its political power. " -- [ Dev ] All the invasions of India by foreigners were engineered by the Brahmins. They actively collaborated with the Portuguese, helping them to conquer large parts of India. The offices of the Mughal empire were full of Brahmin conspirators. A full one-third of the British Bengal army was Brahmin. Indeed, the answer to the much-asked question, `Why has Indian history been a series of invasions ?' is `The Brahmins engineered them !' - " If the history of India is analyzed, it is revealed that the Aryan Brahmins have acted as the traitors through the ages. They also betrayed India to the Europeans. The term Aryans denote the group of people who came to India in different periods without any religion, " --[ Dev ] In this connection one need only remember that the Brahmin Canakya engineered the Macedonian invasion of India by Alexander the Great. Through his protege Candragupta Maurya, Canakya lured the Greeks deep into the Punjab. With the troops and mercenaries provided by Alexander, Canakya and Candragupta managed to overthrow the indigenous dynasty of Magadha and succeeded in imposing the first totalitarian state the world had ever seen : the Mauryan Empire. A few decades later, the Bactrian Greeks followed up on Canakya the Brahmin's open invitation, and annexed major parts of India. Ulterior Motives in Creation of Hinduism The creation of Hinduism, the subsequent formation of Sanatana Dharma and the propagation of these concepts is mainly due to vested interests with the following ulterior motives. Reward of Brahmin Collaborators - As shown above, the main motive in the English invention of Hinduism was to reward their Aryan Brahmin collaborators with an imagined leadership of all of Hinduism and by extension, all of India. Such were the services rendered to the British crown that not only were the Brahmins made leaders of India at that time, but the whole of Indian history was completely falsified to portray them as the `eternal rulers of all Hindus'. Dravidianism Suppressed - India obtained Independance from Anglo-Brahmin and Brahmin-Portuguese rule in 1947. However, the new state that arose was merely a neo-Brahminist casteocracy. One of the main `threats' to the integrity of the new Aryan Brahmin-ruled republic was the spectre of Dravidian Nationalism. The Sudroids (Dravidoids and Kolarians) represent the original inhabitants of India, who were later subjugated by the Aryan invaders. They form the overwhelming majority in Southern India, and strong demands existed for a separate Dravidian nation. Ambedkar and many others fought for recognition of the Dravidian Religion as separate from the Hindu religion, but M.K.Gandhi foiled these attempts, and succeeded in temporarily subverting the Dravidians in Hinduism. The British were reluctant to recognise the Dravidian religion, since it would have antagonised their Brahmin collaborators. This is one of the prime motives behind the invention of Hinduism. Vaishnavite Ambitions - Since the majority of `Hindus' were Brahminist Vaishnavites in any case, it was hoped that Vaishnavism would thus become a synonym for Hinduism, thereby subverting Shavism (Dravidian Religion), Smartism, etc. in one go. Christian Missionaries - The creation of Hinduism suited the missionaries who did not have to deal with any Indian theological system. Christianity historically made the greatest inroads in `pagan' (ie. religions lacking a developed sustem of theology) regions, while failing in areas where `devoloped' religions like Islam, Confucianism, etc. By creating Hinduism and submerging thereby Vaishnavism, Jainism, Buddhism, Saurism, etc. into `One Great Pagan Religion' they had to deal with `merely another pagan cult'. Hence, `Hinduism' served the interests of the Christian missionaries. English Imperialism - The creation of Hinduism entailed inclusion of the Negroid-Australoid Aboriginal Races of India as `Hindu'. Thus, English dominion in India was justified by claiming that it represented a pious mission to `civilize the pagan natives'. Aryanism Suppressed - English colonial rule was justified by the rule of `Whites' over `non-Whites'. Accepting the existence of `Aryans' in India would have meant a nullification of this justification, since a sizeable fraction of India's population would be `white' and would not require `white' Anglo-Saxon rule. The submergence of Indo-Aryans as `Hindus' served to suppress this menace to British rule. The early Arya Samajists realised this attempt to subvert the identitiy of Aryans. and staunchly opposed the use of the word `Hindu'; a move equally opposed by the British. By denying `white' status to Indo-Aryans (a fact since proven by genetics). the English justified rule over `non-whites'. Rajputism Suppressed - The Rajputs are descendants of the Scythians, Greeks, and other immigrants who entered India just prior to the rise of the Indo-Islamic Caliphate of Delhi. Throughout their history they followed their Solar religions (`saura' cults), independant of any Aryan Vaishnavite Brahmans. Yet the invention of Hinduism served to subvert Saura religion as well. Smarta Subversion - The creation of Hinduism suited the Smartas (Advaitins) most of all, since their religion was defined in terms of giving equal worship to 5 major gods of India, as well as a whole host of others. It remained a very minor religion in India, having been propagated only by Sankaracharya and being localised mainly in Kerala. The overwhelming majority of Hindus were (and still are) Vaishnavites (more than 75 %). However, the definition of `Hinduism' was essentially Smarta, and by propagating `Hinduism' the Smartas hoped to submerge their old rivals the Vaishnavites. Noted Sikh author G.S.Khalsa has amply pointed out the manner in which Hinduism was invented : " The Brahmanists came to power on the Congress elephant by deviously converting the pre-independence political debate and struggle into a communal Hindu-Muslim religious struggle. This was made possible by the master stroke of Mahatama Gandhi - the Hindu nationalist cum holy sadhu who made "Hindus" a 55% majority on paper in the 1920s upon getting the Dalits or "untouchables" (20%) dubbed as "Hindus" by the British. This coup moved the "Hindus" from 35% to a 55% majority in British India. In pre-independence India, Muslims were 25%, Sikhs/Christians/ Buddhists/ tribals/etc. formed the remaining 20%. This action, along with recognition of Congress as the sole political representative of all Indians in national matters, was a payoff by the British colonial authorities to the Brahmanist lead Congress and Gandhi for loyal services rendered to Queen and empire in supporting their WWI war effort; recruiting the "martial" communities (e.g. Sikhs, Jats, Rajputs, Gujars of Saka-origin) of the northwest and Muslims to go fight for the British Empire in Europe/ middle east; subduing, opposing, infiltrating and sabotaging other non-Congress/non-Brahmanist lead political parties and independence movements organized at home (who saw British weakness during the war as an ideal opportunity). The 55% fraudulent "Hindu pile" was little more than a political game of Brahmanist politicians and political parties in Delhi while caste Hindus would not eat/touch/marry/socialize or even worship with their "polluted" Dalits (20% untouchables) in the 1920s. After this "victory on paper", Brahmanist politicians, political parties, and organizations totally communalized pre-independence politics along "Hindu/Muslim" religious lines of "nationhood" to get on the road to empire and Delhi. " --[ Khals ] Indeed, Encyclopedia Britannica accepts that `Hinduism' is a blanket term covering several religions and does not refer to a single religion : " Hinduism is both a civilization and a congregation of religions ; it has neither a beginning nor a founder, nor a central authority, hierarchy or organization. Every attempt at a specific definition of Hinduism has prvoed unsatisfactory in one way or antoher." -- [ EB.20 `Hinduism' 519-520 ] Hinduism is not a revealed religion and, therefore, has neither a founder nor definite teachings or common system of doctrines [ 7 ]. It has no organization, no dogma or accepted creeds. There is no authority with recognized jurisdiction. A man, therefore, could neglect any one of the prescribed duties of his group and still be regarded as a good Hindu. Invention of Sanatana Dharma by Smartas Subsequent to the invention of Hinduism the followers of the different Indian religions realised that the word 'Hindu' and 'The Religion of Hinduism' were English inventions. This caused much embarassment, and many Vaishnavites, Shavites etc, declared that they were followers of different religions, which they actually are. Had this process reached its full development, there would have been no problem. However, some Smartas and other vested interests attempted to preserve the superficial unity which the English creation of Hinduism had given. Hence, the English concept of 'Hinduism' was renamed as `Sanatana Dharma' in order to fabricate a Sanskritic name for the concept. The word `Sanatana' was created in sometime in the 19th century as an attempt to replace the foreign word 'Hindu'. The non-Muslim people of the South Asian subcontinent called Hindu had no precise word for their religions [ Land ]. They were, as they are, divided into thousands of communities and tribes, each having its own religious beliefs, rituals, modes of worship, etc. The Smarta religion arose "by the 7th century, when the Smartas inistituted their worship of 5 deities, omitting Brahma, he had lost all claims as a superior diety. " [ EB 2.460 ] " The people called Hindu have nothing common in their religious affairs. 'Hinduism', therefore, cannot give any precise idea as to what it means. Attempts were made to define the term but could not succeed. " --[ Basic ] To summarise, realising that Hinduism was in fact an English invention; this circumstance becoming widely known and the cause of much satire on `Hinduism' and its English invention, the Brahmin Vaishnavas invented the term `Sanatana Dharma' in order to counter these difficulties : " Faced with this dilemma, Hindu scholars sometime use the word Sanatan Dharma (eternal religion) and sometime Vedic Dharma (religion of the Veda), etc. for their religion. But as names of their religion, these words are also untenable as they do not imply anything precise for all the people called Hindu." --[ Basic ] Everybody knows that regarding 'origination'. Read the article above and educate yourself. Hello fool, since when can a religon can differ because of 'cultural diversity? Can Sikhism in the US be practised differently in the UK because of 'cultural diversity'? Can Christianity be practised differently in Europe compared to Asia? There may be different sects within any religion but cultural diversity cannot change a religion. If it has then it is no more the religion what it was menat to be. Tamil Hindus carry the Kavadi, a concept/practise which is totally alien to Northern Indian Hinduism. FYI Northern Hindus do not recognise this act as part of Hinduism. I really hope there are more like me. I understand that what I have said is not 'politically correct' so it may hurt the feelings of Hindu apologists like you. Unlike you, I will calla spade a spade when I see one. I don't believe in lying to mysef or to anybody else. I don't believe in living in a fools world.
  14. I think you're living in looney toon land dude. I LIVE in a Muslim country and am very aware of their 'strong arm' tactics. Believe me when I say this, it is in every Muslims heart to dominate this world with filthy excuse of a cult. What I can't understand is how 'dhimmis' like you can be so ignorant/oblivious despite of current events as well as what history has taught us? Go find out what's happening Indonesias Non-Muslim minority. What about the Muslims in Chechnya (Russia) and Sin Ziang (China)? You should check out www.faithfreedom.org and educate yourself to the truth.
  15. Why not? But it has to be some cool actor like maybe Sunny Dheol.
  16. Prior to 1947 there was no such thing as India to begin with. Ask her to prove to you the existence of an 'Indian' civilization prior to 1947. They have nothing to be proud of thats why Punjabi Nationalism is a threat to them. Mod's Note: Your Harsh Language was deleted. There was no need for that. Please keep it civilized!!!
  17. I disagree. Most Hindus secretly believe Sikhism is PART of Hinduism or a sect anyway. The problem with Hinduism is that it is undefinable. The word Hindu was given by the English to various cults and beliefs that were being practised in India at the time. FYI, Tamil Hinduism is words apart from Hinduism practised in the North. Besides, these Hindu have nothing to be proud of so they try claiming what is not theirs to be part of their stupid religion.------------------------ Mods note: how about instead of writeing racist slurs, why dont you write critique! Please modify your post! Dear Moderator, I hope the changes I have made above are to your liking. Is calling a religion stupid against any of the rules here? I am sorry but I find Hinduism a religion is retarded and bereft of any good qualities. These are my sincere opinions. Anybody who worships a penus needs serious therapy.
  18. I think we need to ask ourselves here, what is Sikhi? Does it not mean seeker of truth? Sikhism was borne out of questioning certain false beliefs in Hinduism and Islam. So what is the truth here? A Sikh is in love with a non Sikh and wants to tie the knot. Should it be allowed? I personally think it should be ok. Is Sikhi about stupid 'restrictions'? Sikhi is about the TRUTH and there is NO truth in denying two people their happiness just because of what might the offspring's religion be. However this is only my opinion. Khalsa Soulja wrote Is this REALLY written in the SGGS? What has this got to do with marriage? Didn't Raja Ranjit Singh himself married Hindus and Muslims? But must agree he was corrupt because of his close cooperation with the Hindus and Muslims. This is why the Sikh kingdom did not survive. What if the Christian woman has a good heart and truly loves Baba Deep Singh? Wasn't Guru Nanaks cohort Mardana a Muslim to the very end?Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bhai Khanaya himself serve water to the fallen enemies of Sikhs after a fight and our Guru proclaimed this was a good act? I think I'm beggining to understand what you're trying to get at. i) Marry a Sikh and you have no problems religion wise as your offspring will more likely be Sikhs as well. ii) Marry a Non Sikh for example a Hindu and your children might grow up with some influence from Hinduism and they may start revering to statues. In short the offsprings of a Sikh-Non Sikh parent may be 'contaminated' with ritualistic stupid beliefs? Khalsa Soulja you may have a point. Khandaydhaar wrote Prior to 1947 there never was such a civilization/country called India. It never existed. There was Punjab,Gujarat,Tamil Nadu....but there NEVER was an India. Why do you support a lie? FYI your beloved Hindoooo India does not recognize Sikhism as a separate religion. They claim all the Gurus were reincarnates of Vishnu. You are only stabbing yourself in the back when you support a lie.
  19. Sorry if I have offended anybody here. Actually there are others as well and if anybody here has time they should also check out www.faithfreedom.org. However faithfreedom emphasis is on the revealing to the truth about Islam. Ok will do. If I'm not mistaken, Christians believe that Jesus died for THEIR sins. I could be wrong though. My point was that Jesus was NOT killed by the Jews but by the Romans. Many Christians to this day believe it was the Jews who were responsible for the death of their Jesus. This belief is false and has resulted in the sufferings of Jews for time immemorial. Where do you think Hitler got his idea of Jewish extermination? P.S. This is a great site! Jamuka
  20. Ooops, sorry Bhaisap. I did not realise this. I'm sorry for those rather harsh remarks. I just feel sorry for the Jews and truly believe they have been given the short end of the stick by the Christians and the Muslims. Hey thanks!
  21. "Died for our sins" eh? Thats merely your opinion and the opinions of thousands of bafoons out there. Where is it written in Sikhism that there exists a 'son of God' or for someone to die for our sins? What admin cut and bull are you talking about? Does Sikhism recognise the concept of prophets or sons of Gods? Sikhism specificaly states all men are created equal. There is NO provision in Sikhism denoting anybody to be any son of God or God on Earth in flesh form.And why should I respect someone who probably did not even exist? Is it because your Christian friends tell you so? Where is it written in the SGGS that states a Sikh must respect JC superstar? You are a bigot and a racist. It is sad that a Sikh like you is openly believing to cruel Jewish conspiracy theories that have haunted these poor people a long time now. Is this what Sikhi teaches you??? To simply hate a people that have done you no wrong??? And since when did Sikhism align itself with the Christianity? Where is it stated in Sikhism that the Jews are bad people?? Believe me when I say this, if the Jews REALLY ran this world, Mecca today would be reduced to radio active rubble. You should not align yourself to what is popular belief today as Sikhism has empowered us all to THINK and make an informed judgement. FYI many believe Sikhs are terrorists. Now is that true?
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