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  1. 15 hours ago, Guest guest said:

    I dont think you are 'giving up any pre-conceived ideas', just cherry picking beliefs that suit your ignorant opinions.  You seem to already have reached some conclusions now picking whatever ideas you like to suit them.

    I worded it wrong by saying I don't believe in God or karma. I meant to say I don't believe or not believe. What I'm basically saying is I don't know. Hopefully it makes sense to you. Stay cool bro no need to attack people with different views than yourself. 

  2. On 7/5/2016 at 7:29 PM, Guest Gurbani said:

    Gurbani says Sri Guru Granth sahib is the Bani of God and came straight from God.  You are saying the gurus experienced kaam krodh lohb mob ankhar.  Since the gurus are the mouthpiece of God.  You are saying God went through kaam krodh lohb  mob ankhar.  You added, how else can the Gurus know about the world if they never experienced it.  Gurbani says alcohol makes a person lose his senses of reality.  I understand from your logic, God (all knowing being) must have drank alcohol to find out the effects of it.  According to you did God also die to know the experience?

    Everyone has an opinion but no one writes opinions on exams.  They try to remember the material they were told to study.  The Guru doesn't care for mine or your opinion.  He has given the truth to us in the form of Gurbani to practice.  The Guru says to learn from Gurbani and teach others what you have learned.  The Guru doesn't say to teach your opinion to others.  An open mind according to Gurbani is to accept Gurbani teachings.  A closed mind is the one who expresses opinions all day and learns nothing from the true teacher, the Guru.  Opinions are formed through Maya in the mind.  They don't have any value at the Gurus door.  

    First of all I don't have the IQ to understand Gurbani. That's why I try not to decipher it's meaning because I may take it the wrong way when the meaning is actually different. High-level gurmukhs understand the true meaning. I have my opinions though just like you do. I don't think Guru Gobind Singh Ji came out the womb fully realized. I believe he went on the spiritual journey as well to reach God. He writes his parents did lots of different meditation and he did as well before becoming one with the Truth. Bachittar Natak gives some really good insight. I think you'll take it the wrong way though. I don't know if you believe it's written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji or not but I feel it's too beautiful to not be written by him. I should ask my grandpa if it's written by Guru Gobind Singh or maybe Lucky will know. @Lucky is Bachittar Natak written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

     

     

     

    ਅਬ ਮੈ ਅਪਨੀ ਕਥਾ ਬਖਾਨੋ ॥ ਤਪ ਸਾਧਤ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਮ੝ਹਿ ਆਨੋ ॥
    Ab main apnee katha bakhaano. Tap saadhat iih bidh muhe aano.
    Now I relate my own story as to how I was brought here. While I was absorbed in deep meditation.
    ਹੇਮ ਕ੝ੰਟ ਪਰਬਤ ਹੈ ਜਹਾਂ ॥ ਸਪਤ ਸ੝ਰਿੰਗ ਸੋਭਿਤ ਹੈ ਤਹਾਂ ॥੧॥
    Hemkunt Parbat hai jahaan, Sapt sring sobhit hai tahaan .1.
    The site was the mountain named Hemkunt, with seven peaks and looks there very impressive .1.
    ਸਪਤ ਸ੝ਰਿੰਗ ਤਿਹ ਨਾਮ੝ ਕਹਾਵਾ ॥ ਪੰਡ੝ ਰਾਜ ਜਹ ਜੋਗ੝ ਕਮਾਵਾ ॥
    Satptsring teh naam kahawa. Pand raaj jahan jog kamava
    That mountain is called Sapt Shring (seven-peaked mountain), where the Pandavas Practised Yoga.
    ਤਹ ਹਮ ਅਧਿਕ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਸਾਧੀ ॥ ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਅਰਾਧੀ ॥੨॥
    teh ham adhik tapasaya sadhi. mahakaal akalka aradhi .2.
    There I was absorbed in deep meditation on the Primal Power, the Supreme Being .2.

     

    ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਰਤ ਤਪਿਸਆ ਭਯੋ ॥ ਦ੝ਵੈ ਤੇ ਝਕ ਰੂਪ ਹ੝ਵੈ ਗਯੋ ॥
    Ih bidh karat tappsaya bhayo. Davai te ek roop havai gayo.
    In this way, my meditation reached its zenith and I became One with the Omnipotent Lord.
    ਤਾਤ ਮਾਤ ਮ੝ਰ ਅਲਖ ਅਰਾਧਾ ॥ ਬਹ੝ ਬਿਧਿ ਜੋਗ ਸਾਧਨਾ ਸਾਧਾ ॥੩॥
    taat maat mur alakh araahaa. bahu beedh jog saahdna sahdaa ॥3॥
    My parents also meditated for the union with the Incomprehensible Lord and performed many types of disciplines for union.3.
    ਤਿਨ ਜੋ ਕਰੀ ਅਲਖ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਭਝ ਪ੝ਰਸੰਨਿ ਗ੝ਰਦੇਵਾ ॥
    tin jo karee alakh kee sevaa. taa tay bhaay prasanni gurdava ॥
    The service that they rendered the Incomprehensible Lord, caused the pleasure of the Supreme Guru (i.e. Lord).
    ਤਿਨ ਪ੝ਰਭ ਜਬ ਆਇਸ ਮ੝ਹਿ ਦੀਆ ॥ ਤਬ ਹਮ ਜਨਮ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਲੀਆ ॥੪॥
    tin prabh jab aaees muh theeaa. tab hamm janam kaloo mahi leeaa ॥4॥
    When the Lord ordered me, I was born in this Iron age.4.
    ਚਿਤ ਨ ਭਯੋ ਹਮਰੋ ਆਵਨ ਕਹਿ ॥ ਚ੝ਭੀ ਰਹੀ ਸ੝ਰ੝ਤਿ ਪ੝ਰਭ੝ ਚਰਨਨ ਮਹਿ ॥
    Chit na bhayo hamro aavan kaih. Chubhi rahee srut Prabhu chaman maih
    I had no desire to come, because I was totally absorbed in devotion for the Holy feet of the Lord.
    ਜਿਉ ਤਿਉ ਪ੝ਰਭ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਸਮਝਾਯੋ ॥ ਇਮ ਕਿਹ ਕੈ ਇਹ ਲੋਕਿ ਪਠਾਯੋ ॥੫॥
    Jio tio Prabh ham ko samjhaayo. Im Kaih kai ih lok Pathaayo.
    But the Lord made me understand His Will and sent me in this world with the following words.5
  3. On 7/4/2016 at 1:28 PM, Guest guest said:

    nobody cares what you think, and your thoughts aren't 'controversial'.  you're reading Osho and have so much faith in that? so why pretend ot be a sikh you fraud.

    Well It's pushing me towards realizing the truth for myself. Part of that to me is giving up any pre-conceived ideas. I don't believe in some random God or Karma. No need to be so negative towards my opinion. You can keep believing in some God that listens to every ardas I'm not attacking you for it. I know ardas to God is in guru granth sahib but I don't know the purpose. The gurus could be using it for prem-bhakti. I choose a more scientific path instead of blind faith. I refuse to believe anything I don't know. Only through going within will I find the answers I'm seeking. Not listening to some katha or some story or some beliefs. I don't believe in all of Oshos teachings, I believe some of his teachings actually drove many people towards kaam ras and the wrong direction. I do agree in his belief to not believe what you don't know and instead put the time in to reach the truth for yourself. If one day I realize that some God does exist that listens to everyones ardas and some sort of karma system does exist then cool but until then I don't know so I don't believe.

  4. I agree with what CuriousSeeker said. In the beginning there are lots of ups and downs but they gradually settle. Imagine a meter with a needle. It goes really high then really low. As you stay steady with more experience and giaan the needle does not move far off from the center. Your mind stays steady and there are no more highs and lows. Listening to and understanding Asa Di Vaar played the biggest role for me in steadying my mind. You should enjoy spirituality and not see it as a job of some sort. If a person does not enjoy it they'll always fall off. Find sangat to do naam japna with that's the easiest and best way to start enjoying spirituality. I read you don't have many friends. I think it's very vital to have good people around us. You should form some friendships with good people you can find. Everyone needs friends, they help us stay in a good mood. Just talking to a friend makes a person who is down level himself. I do believe in spirituality but not in ardaas and some force listening to it. I think gurus put ardas to keep sikhs safe from Ahankaar. If you feel all your spiritual gain is thanks to some God then you will stay safe from houmai. Also most health issues are cured so if person does ardas and health returns then their belief in God becomes even stronger and it will motivate them to meditate. However, one of my close friends got a chronic health issue that the doctors could not figure out and for 3 years his mother and father did ardaas and paath day and night. It has been 4 years and he is still sitting at his home with his dehabilitating chronic disease. His parents are questioning their belief in God and giving up. A persons blind belief can become the reason they give up if things don't go their way. It's better to just see it as a process of awakening yourself to reality. There is not some imaginary God that can do kirpa. A living sant could do kirpa on him but not some imaginary force. Guru Granth sahib is our guide but it cannot do kirpa on us in my opinion. You see Gurus refer to the Truth in love as mother, father, husband, all-knowing guide, one who cares for all beings etc. I believe it is a method to develop bairaag and love. Once you have that love you become intoxicated in it, it will take you all the way. Then you realize the Truth which is different. If Gurus just told people the truth straight up they would not understand so they stuck with this method of giving the people some imaginary force to cling to. This is just my opinion from the experiences that shaped my thinking. When I gave up my belief that there is some god, I felt a big weight come off my shoulders and lots of peace come to my mind. I just try to live a good honest life. I see awakening as the only thing with meaning in life everything else is just useless and temporary. Everything is in naam japna. I read or listen to gurbani and katha just to motivate myself to do naam japna. The whole process and awakening is in naam japna. I still enjoy maya though. I see awakening as a science and process with no kirpa involved so I stay steady in my sadhana now to continue the process each day. I believe we need to have a well-balanced life. We must live in maya and enjoy it while being spiritual as well. Some people try to get away from maya and be spiritual only but that is a much tougher road. Like Guru Ji says they leave to the jungles but there mind is still stuck in Maya. Balance is the key. I think it has worked well for me. I'm just stating my view and opinion. I'm not saying I am right or wrong. I have spent much of my time being a philosopher to understand the creation and the mind. Understanding Kaam, Krodh, Lobh Moh Ahankaar through vichar with myself and listening to many different kathas by different people and religions. Asa Di Vaar helped me a'lot. I have built a strong understanding through philosophy to prepare myself to be spiritual. There are many paths and that is the path I took.

     

  5. 29 minutes ago, samurai said:

    people that believe that our guru's suffered from kaam krodh etc, well simple bounce from their vichaar, no need to prove them wrong, narakh need to be filed as well!!...their vichaar is from their own ego..

    Bhul Chuk Maaf bro. I agree that statement by me is wrong. I don't know if the Gurus ever had to suffer in past lifetimes from panj doot. I don't know if they even had past lifetimes. I don't know.

  6. 28 minutes ago, Ragmaala said:

    @HappyDays   I am glad you cleared your view point that you do not believe in Karma, Grace except from 5 pyaras & SGGS is not living like most ppl think . Thanks for clearing up!  I wont be offended from now on.

    btw do you believe in Ragamala as Gurbani ?

    No idea I know some saints don't believe in raagmala. Bhai Randhir Singh and AKJ do not believe in it. I don't think it matters either way. It's not going to make a huge difference if you accept it or reject it. The more important thing is making steady gains spiritually and not worrying about small things like this in my opinion. Below is some good knowledge from Kabir Sahib in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj Ji. Guru Granth Sahib gives us all the answers to our questions if we search it.

     (340-2)
    raag ga-orhee poorbee baavan akhree kabeer jee-o kee
    Raag Gauree Poorbee, Baawan Akhree Of Kabeer Jee:

    (340-2)
    ik-oaNkaar satnaam kartaa purakhgurparsaad.
    One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. By Guru's Grace:

    (340-3)
    baavan achhar lok tarai sabh kachh in hee maahi.
    Through these fifty-two letters, the three worlds and all things are described.

    (340-3)
    ay akhar khir jaahigay o-ay akhar in meh naahi. ||1||
    These letters shall perish; they cannot describe the Imperishable Lord. ||1||

     

  7. 31 minutes ago, Ragmaala said:

    You are entitled to your opinion. I have no interest in changing anyone's understanding. I stand firm in my beliefs in the words of great sages. I keep my limited intellect aside.

    But I am passionate about certain misconceptions that Sikhs have. My duty is to spread the word of great sages.

    Baba Buddha Ji, Bhai Lehna Ji, Sri Chand Ji, Lakhmi Das Ji viewed Guru Nanak acc. to their own drishti . And they got the appropriate Phal. Bhai Lehna became Guru Nanak & Baba Buddha Ji became Brahmgyani , and so on...

    Larger utensil of devotion you have the more phal you will get...

     

     

    I respect your view, everyone has their own view according to there thinking and understanding. My view is more realist. I don't go by blind faith that much. I only go by what I know. I do ardas just for positive energy. I don't believe there is something listening to my ardas though. I think similar to Osho that there is no God in the concept of something overlooking the creation and taking care of everyone. I see so many people stuck in pain in this world with no way out. So it's hard for me to believe there is some force that is guiding and taking care of everyone. The karma theory to me is bullshit. A persons thinking is not in their control so they have no power over what they do. Depending on the type of thinking and intelligence a person has so do they act. I believe Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our guide that contains the wisdom of our great gurus. I believe the purpose of SGGS is to guide us to become self-realized beings like the gurus, but I don't believe it is living like most sikhs think. I believe our living guru is sache panj pyare who can do kirpa on us. I believe self-realization is a science and there is no kirpa involved except from panj pyare. I used to have blind-faith but I gave it up to go realize the Truth for myself and not assume anything. This post will probably shock many people. I know my views are against most Sikhs but please don't judge me.

  8. 10 hours ago, Lucky said:

    They are real when you see them and you don't wanna see them coming towards you man, seriously. They appear as if hooded, and if you are unlucky enough to see their faces, ...then God help!...I don't wanna know!. 

    The naraks may be seen or you may just bypass them and just get a weeee glance. Waheguru probably does this to show you what you have just avoided by uttering his name "Narayan" on your last breath. (Ajamila uttered his sons name "Narayan" and was saved from the noose of yama).

     

     

     

     

    Ay Lucky, doesn't that sound foolish to you he is calling out Narayan but his chit is on his son not god. So it's just a word that he does not associate with god. He is not thinking of god, he is thinking of his son. Yet he gets saved while yelling out to his son. Some things just don't add up lol. I think we take things too literally sometimes and don't get the message behind it. Like in the Quran it says if a person does not believe in Allah they should have their head removed. Some muslims then go killing people who don't believe in Allah. I'm pretty sure that's not what Mohammed intended. Lol! Then you look at Jesus saying drink with me in my fathers kingdom. Christians then start drinking wine in their Churches. Lol! While Jesus was talking about amrit ras. People take things too literally man.

  9. All this talk about Guru Avtar and when they come into the body is so pointless. It's a useless discussion and gives us no benefit, it just looks foolish. So Avtar gets to come in the body later? Okay cool story, who cares, lets move on to more important things now. Bhagat Singh has already spoken to Baba Nand Singh Ji on the matter. Just let it go Raagmala.                                                          "Baba Nand Singh ji is sitting up there laughing at me for even attempting to rectify this. Whoever that is, he says that I am too attached to making things right and I should just let it go and let it be as it is."

  10. 8 minutes ago, JasperS said:

    The question is more why would they? The assumption I am getting here is that sex = bad. Therefore our Gurus would never have anything to do with this gross bass carnal thing. 

    This is such wrong thinking.  Sexuality was created by Waheguru. Union between male / female is a beautiful thing when not misused. It's not intercourse that is disgusting. It's the misuse of it for purely physical gratification that is disgusting. It's warping the original meaning of sexuality which can be a highly spiritual act! I can't explain to you how, you have to arrive at that conclusion yourself. In fact, its one of the closest acts we can do under the correct pretence, that mimics the merging of our soul back with waheguru. There is a spiritual merging of energy between husband and wife when this occurs. Once you view intercourse in this way, it no longer seems disgusting, nor something that would have any reason for our Gurus to avoid. Its OUR minds which make sex into something disgusting only. 


    So why would our Gurus avoid it? To suggest so, says that sex is inherently bad. All sex. And to suggest that Gurus never engaged in it, says that their wives did not actually share any marital relationship at all if it was purely platonic (why marry them then when they could just as easily have congregated with him as sisters / servants / companions)? It also suggests that since the Gurus had children, that those children were not biologically related to the Gurus. It takes two sets of DNA to create a child. Were the Gurus wives just treated as breeding stock?

    Preach my brother preach, that was desperately needed. Lol.

  11. 4 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

    That mouth be burnt which says that Thakur comes into Jooni....

    What I have learnt from the great sages is that it is disrespectful to say that Gurus had intercourse, came into jooni etc.  So I will continue to emphasize this again & again whenever I see this message posted. I feel it is my moral duty to respond, otherwise I don't usually post.  Its kind of like doing Guru Ninda in ignorance. Hopefully, you guys can expand your thinking than this.

    I am surprised that some people think they are close to understandings of the great sages lol. Its hilarious.

     

    @HappyDays   Bro, are you serious ? How can you say Guru experienced kaam krodh lobh moh ahankar... you have got to be kidding me. This is the first I have heard. Dont say things that you are not sure about, you dont want to be committing Nindya even in ignorance. Stay Humble!

    I am just flabbergasted that people are trying to understand Guru through their limited understandings lol.  Ah well, I have done my moral duty, rest is upto you to think however you want. You have been warned...

    That mouth be burnt which says that Thakur comes into Jooni....

     

    Like BhagatSingh just showed your thinking regarding that one line quote is flawed. I'm entitled to have my own opinion I never said it is a fact. I'm a person with a open mind. If you want to lock yourself into a certain thinking then you're free to. I'm not going to go hide my opinion just because it's not popular. The soul which is God never changes. We have to realize that we're the Truth. That is the journey I believe we are going on which is known as self-realization. We are here to realize we ourselves and everything else is God. There is nothing but God. The 5 elements are always changing. Every physical body takes birth and then dies. I see Gurus as souls who experienced many different lives as well. If they never went through dealing with panj dhoot then they could not relate to and understand us.  One of the most beautiful writings I have ever listened to is Bachittar Natak by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Many saints believe it is by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. I do know however some people don't think it's Guru Gobind Singhs' writing. I believe it was written for Khalsa and Guru Granth for the world. I suggest you listen to it with a open mind and try to understand. It's amazing how much this panth runs away when a sexual reference is made. It's like a bunch of little kids that have no self-control. God is in everything. Not just our Gurus. Everyone is equal. I'm not committing nindiya just stating my belief. Do you know what the ardas below is saying? Can you tell me what the ardas below is saying?

    Pritham Bhagouti Simar Kai, Guru Naanak Layee Dhiyae
      

    Angad Gur Te Amar Das, Raamdaasai Hoye Sahai 

     

    Arjan Hargobind No Simrou Sri Har Rai
     

    Sri HarKrishan Dhiyaa-eeai Jis Dhithi Sabh Dukh Jaye
     

    Teg Bahadur Simareeai Ghar No Nidh Avai Dhai
     

    Sabh Thai Ho-e Sahaai


    Dasvaa Paatshaah Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sabh Thai Ho-e Sahaai 

     

  12. 3 hours ago, Lucky said:

    The article in OP is good and very close to my own understanding. However, the physical acts of reproduction as a necessity are not my belief and I feel too disrespectful and shamefaced to discuss it.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Guru Nanak's father and mother seemed to be normal average people. They didn't seem to be very spiritual in the stories I heard. They delivered Guru Nanak to the world though. Wouldn't that contradict the article? What is your take on this Lucky? Regarding intercourse, I do agree with BhagatSingh. Personally I believe the Guru's did have a physical union with there spouse just like everyone else does to bring a soul into the world. It was done with a pure mind though. Physical union between two high avastha partners is a spiritual meeting as well and pushes both higher and closer to the Truth. There is nothing wrong with that. Or maybe they just snapped there fingers and it happened LOL! I believe Gurus experienced Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Ahankaar before as well. I also believe they experienced being in the womb since it's written about in SGGS. That is the way they're able to teach us in gurbani because they've had these personal experiences before and overcame them to become enlightened. There is no difference between the Guru and a true Sikh. Everyone is the same and equal. We are all one. We are all from the same jot. The Gurus followed the same rules of the play as we do. Do you really think Guru Ji is going to bend the rules just so he doesn't have to have physical union with his wife? That sounds silly. The Gurus know this is a play and that maya the physical creation is god as well. Guru Ji has control of his mind he has no fear of maya or panj dhoot. Our Gurus have given us the easiest path where we can enjoy maya and get closer to sach. It's okay to enjoy things like food, sports and your significant other. You do want to conserve your sexual energy though and not be like a animal. High avastha people probably only have intercourse to bring a soul into this world. 5 dhoot are necessary to play this game. God enjoys this game of his and so should we. The 5 dhoot must be our servants though then we can enjoy maya or else they will torture us. I'm just stating my opinion. Great Rishis and Munis have failed. The path is much harder for them. I think a big reason is they become so anti-maya that they end up falling into Maya. The harder you try to get away from something the more it will pull you in. Maya is beautiful. It is only bad if we don't have control of the panj dhoot. Like Bhai Sewa Singh Ji Tarmala would say the mind is here to play and enjoy Gods physical creation maya as well. It is a fine balance. I just pray and do ardas to Vaheguru for his naam and continue to live a well-balanced life. I have faith everything will take care of itself. Below in Asa Di Vaar according to my thinking Guru Ji is showing the amazement he has beholding the beauty of Gods physical creation, Maya.     ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ (463-18)

    salok mehlaa 1. 
    Shalok, First Mehl: 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਨਾਦ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਵੇਦ ॥ (463-18)
    vismaad naad vismaad vayd. 
    Wonderful is the sound current of the Naad, wonderful is the knowledge of the Vedas. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਜੀਅ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਭੇਦ ॥ (463-19)
    vismaad jee-a vismaad bhayd. 
    Wonderful are the beings, wonderful are the species. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਰੂਪ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਰੰਗ ॥ (463-19)
    vismaad roop vismaad rang. 
    Wonderful are the forms, wonderful are the colors. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਨਾਗੇ ਿਫਰਿਹ ਜੰਤ ॥ (463-19)
    vismaad naagay fireh jant. 
    Wonderful are the beings who wander around naked. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਪਉਣੁ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਪਾਣੀ ॥ (464-1)
    vismaad pa-un vismaad paanee. 
    Wonderful is the wind, wonderful is the water. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਅਗਨੀ ਖੇਡਿਹ ਿਵਡਾਣੀ ॥ (464-1)
    vismaad agnee khaydeh vidaanee. 
    Wonderful is fire, which works wonders. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਖਾਣੀ ॥ (464-1)
    vismaad Dhartee vismaad khaanee. 
    Wonderful is the earth, wonderful the sources of creation.                                       ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਸਾਿਦ ਲਗਿਹ ਪਰਾਣੀ ॥ (464-2)
    vismaad saad lageh paraanee. 
    Wonderful are the tastes to which mortals are attached. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਿਵਜੋਗੁ ॥ (464-2)
    vismaad sanjog vismaad vijog. 
    Wonderful is union, and wonderful is separation. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਭੁਖ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਭੋਗੁ ॥ (464-2)
    vismaad bhukh vismaad bhog. 
    Wonderful is hunger, wonderful is satisfaction. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਿਸਫਿਤ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਸਾਲਾਹ ॥ (464-3)
    vismaad sifat vismaad saalaah. 
    Wonderful is His Praise, wonderful is His adoration. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਉਝੜ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਰਾਹ ॥ (464-3)
    vismaad ujharh vismaad raah. 
    Wonderful is the wilderness, wonderful is the path. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਨੇੜੈ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਦੂਿਰ ॥ (464-3)
    vismaad nayrhai vismaad door. 
    Wonderful is closeness, wonderful is distance. 
    ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਹਾਜਰਾ ਹਜੂਿਰ ॥ (464-4)
    vismaad daykhai haajraa hajoor. 
    How wonderful to behold the Lord, ever-present here. 
    ਵੇਿਖ ਿਵਡਾਣੁ ਰਿਹਆ ਿਵਸਮਾਦੁ ॥ (464-4)
    vaykh vidaan rahi-aa vismaad. 
    Beholding His wonders, I am wonder-struck. 
    ਨਾਨਕ ਬੁਝਣੁ ਪੂਰੈ ਭਾਿਗ ॥੧॥ (464-4)
    naanak bujhan poorai bhaag. ||1|| 
    O Nanak, those who understand this are blessed with perfect destiny. ||1||

  13. 24 minutes ago, Lucky said:

    @HappyDays

    I must say that your Grandfather has given you some very interesting points and I understand most of what you have written. He has only revealed the "tip" of the iceberg, because common man wouldn't understand the rest. Seeing the yoghurt alive and everything else, is not exactly what you or most people would interpret -It's not microscopic vision as such or x-ray..... it's actually seeing it alive, active and vibrating. Very difficult to ever explain. I too, have had this perception for a while and I know exactly what he was talking about. It's not just stuff with microorganisms, it is in act everything around you. It actually ties in with the 5 tat thread that was inspired by Bhagat after he mentioned something along the lines of .."existence being continuous and in constant motion from moment to moment"  This is because all existence is made up of 5 elements, except the "Truth" behind the veil.

     You won't understand the water in the bucket until you start  'cleaning' your mind and holding it still. Most of the things you stated, take real experience to understand. It's as if you get there, then feel or see something, and you say to yourself  "This is what he meant by the dhayeen being alive, man, I know what he was saying" .

    We can all "live" the experience, instead of hearing or interpreting it.

     

    25 minutes ago, Lucky said:

    @HappyDays

    I must say that your Grandfather has given you some very interesting points and I understand most of what you have written. He has only revealed the "tip" of the iceberg, because common man wouldn't understand the rest. Seeing the yoghurt alive and everything else, is not exactly what you or most people would interpret -It's not microscopic vision as such or x-ray..... it's actually seeing it alive, active and vibrating. Very difficult to ever explain. I too, have had this perception for a while and I know exactly what he was talking about. It's not just stuff with microorganisms, it is in act everything around you. It actually ties in with the 5 tat thread that was inspired by Bhagat after he mentioned something along the lines of .."existence being continuous and in constant motion from moment to moment"  This is because all existence is made up of 5 elements, except the "Truth" behind the veil.

     You won't understand the water in the bucket until you start  'cleaning' your mind and holding it still. Most of the things you stated, take real experience to understand. It's as if you get there, then feel or see something, and you say to yourself  "This is what he meant by the dhayeen being alive, man, I know what he was saying" .

    We can all "live" the experience, instead of hearing or interpreting it.

    Thanks for the clarification on the misunderstanding veer ji and the input on the things my grandpa told me. I'm going to work really hard with naam japna so I can get personal experience as well. I pray that I stay strong and kirpa happens on me as well. Fingers crossed. Apne karam ki gat main kya jaano.

  14. 18 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

    Your grandpa is someone I would like to meet and dicuss with. Where does he live? I think your grandpa and I would have some interesting conversations.

    My grandpa lives in Punjab. I'm just a beginner who doesn't know anything but he taught me all I need for now and gave me some really deep insight. For you a spiritually more experienced person he could give insight on what you need to do to get to the next stage if you don't know the path. I'm not sure if I should post his address on the internet though. It's going to be weird if someone goes up to him and mentions I gave his address. Then they start asking about his spiritual experiences and stuff. I would be cool with people going to him and talking about what stage they're at and how they can get to the next stage though.

  15. 7 hours ago, Lucky said:

    LOL!   Really?? How can you tell? ;)

     

    I'm not talking about you man. I know I referenced your 5 tat thread. You can tell some people read or heard what they post somewhere because they say they heard it in a katha or read it somewhere. I worded it wrong, sorry. I didn't mean I can tell people read or heard it somewhere without them stating it. Sorry, I got lots of respect for you man. I read some of your posts back when I was getting into sikhism and spirituality years ago. Your posts really helped push me in this direction. I was lurking and reading your posts a long time ago. I just felt it was unecessary and useless to have to meditate and visualize elements from my point of view. My grandpa did tell me about the 5 elements but I don't remember much. I think naam japna will detach you from the 5 elements and you don't need to meditate on or visualize them. I got a lot of love for you though mate ❤ you're like a big brother to me without knowing. You and Sat. I will question what I feel is not right though. I'd love to hear your point of view though I got lots of respect for you so it seems weird questioning you. I do trust the kathavachak below mysimran.info and I found one of his vids where he talks about the 5 elements.

     

  16. 2 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

    That's not surprising. Those two things are connected. Pressure that is experienced during the agya chakra meditation is connected to the inhibition in the ability to breath and with headaches. But it is not the meditation that causes this, at least not directly.

    Where was the headache located? Which areas hurt? or which areas hurt the most?

    My whole head hurt. No more questions please lol I've given you all the info about my experience with this. Maybe it was because I did it 3 days straight. I don't know. I was told by a very experienced meditator in my grandpa that what happened was a imbalance in the pavan. I didn't ask for more information so that's all I know. Then I was told I shouldn't be meditating there.

  17. 9 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

    Oh you got a bad headache from doing so. Gotcha.

    What confused me about your condition was when you said your "dhyan got stuck there"

    Ok you felt pressure.

    "Dhyan got stuck" is probably not the right language when describing this. When your dhyan sticks, that's a good thing lol. Everybody is trying to get the dhyan to stick but it doesn't, that's the problem! They need to train their dhyan so it sticks!

    I got what you are saying, you felt pressure in your forehead and you got a headache from that.

    Was there any mental imbalance aside from the physical pain? Or was it just pressure and headache?

    Wrong choice of words my bad. I felt like I couldn't breathe properly, I felt like I didn't have enough oxygen in me which made me feel exhausted and like passing out. I couldn't fall asleep in the night either because of the constant pressure in my forehead. It was pure hell lol.

  18. 54 minutes ago, Raju said:

    This is not the dhun. The dhun this refers to is ajapa jaap, not vaiklhari jaap. 

    Sure you are entitled to your opinion. I'm just going by what a guy who has done naam simran his whole life and devoted himself completely tells me. If I can get to 1% of what he is spiritually then I'll be extremely grateful. There is dhun of gurmantar. Gurbani one line can have different meanings depending on persons avastha. Dhun of gurmantar, dhun of anhad shabad, sehaj dhun, panch shabad etc. The first step in putting "dhun mein dhiaan, dhiaan me janeya gurmukh akath kahanee" is to put dhiaan in dhun of Vahe-Guru.

  19. 47 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

    Lol I was thinking you were experiencing this below -

    If not that then...

    What do you mean by this?

    The way I see it, the locus of our consciousness is already located at the Agya chakra.

    So what was different about this episode?

    Was your attention pulled away from your body and into it? which caused you to not experience your body and ONLY experience the chakra?

    In the proper meditation technique you put your dhyan on your mouth when doing naam japna. To make sure it is at the right place you can open your eyes and you should be looking directly at the tip of your nose. That is how to check if your dhyan is properly on your mouth and in the dhun "dhun me dhiaan, dhiaan me janeya gurmukh akath kahanee". For me when I didn't know the right technique I had put dhyan at agya chakra for 3 days straight and as a result of focusing so much on there I got a really bad head-ache. I was then told I should not put my dhyan there when I meditate because I am not at that stage yet. Agya Chakra, Trikuti, the place between your eyebrows whatever you want to call it is not a place a beginner should meditate. Only when a person is at the proper stage should they meditate there. That is the door Kabir says he is waiting at for the Lord to open. When you're at the proper stage then you will put your dhyan there and wait for the Lord to open the door for you the same way Bhagat Kabir Ji did. Imagine you have a rock stuck in your forehead weighing you down and you want to get the rock out. That's basically what I felt due to my dhyan being stuck there it caused so much pressure. It took 1 week of me stopping all meditation and going for long walks to finally break out of it. Hope I answered your questions, if not then just let me know and I will try again.

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