palm_w1

"If anyone else has anything to add please do so, if you want to criticise go ahead drag us down" you don't have to take criticism negatively, it may be something nihungs can work on criticism to improve themselves. Having the attitude that all criticism is negative tends to point to a vulnerability in the thought process somewhere.

is it real?

i agree

i know a man who has (wink wink)

u a funny man bruce. i wish i had a sense of humour like yours.

why?

realistically i don't think the nihungs were in any position to be militarily able to defend the gurudwaras. some nihungs like phoola did go around murdering khalistanis at the behest of the indian government, but mainly he just used this to settle personal scores and generally rape and cause mayhem while recieving patronage and funds from the Govt. also i don't think the nihungs were excommunicated. santa singh was widely criticised for accepting govt money to rebuild the akal takht and for generally being the govt front man. however i am unsure if he was excommunicated.

this is better than eastenders. i am expecting Dirty Den to make a post any second.

indian caste system is based purely upon birth, so it doesn't necessarily follow that those best suited to do the job will get it. also i don't like the concept that we must follow our duties without argument or complaint. I prefer to have a choice in what i do in life.

"Every living creature has an ?inherent duty,? whether it is to fight in a war or be an educator, they are expected to fulfill that duty without argument or complaint." sounds like justification for the caste system!

PM from Bruce Lung "Palm this is an invitation to meet me in person to discuss some of the issues we've covered. We're not getting anywhere with our dialogue on the internet. Your references to paranoia, drugs and delusion are beginning to sound shallow and empty.. It's an old broken record. What do you say?" I say no. I would rather have the debate on an open forum in a transparent manner. My guardians told me not to meet up with strange men from the internet. If you really really do want to meet up I will be free in October after I am back from beautiful Brazil, I live in central london (Marble Arch). Perhaps we sould all have a little SA get together and have pringles and sangria.

yo infernal i don't understand the poll? mabe i am being thick man. i voted neway.

who has threatened you? again you make yourself out to be a victim. perhaps you enjoy wallowing in self pity. if you have been threatened or your computer has been hacked go to the police. if however this is just another tool to paint yourself as the helpless indian victim of terrorist sikhs then again you have failed.

stop pussyfooting around and stay on topic. Everytime your hollow arguments are countered you go off on a different tangent. You have made false points in your posts on many occasions, evidence has been presented to you on the contrary, but rather than answer questions as to why you lied you simply go off on on some next random argument. this only makes it seem as though you knew you were false in the first place. i don't know you. i can however comment from the posts you have made upon this forum. I can see some of your views on society and life. Summarised they are: insecurities towards white people. inferiority complex towards white people. insecurities towards sanatan sikh people (or whoever you class as violent sikhs). insecurities towards any criticisms on the Government of India or their paramilitary instruments. painting a picture of mass terrorism towards hindus in punjab. glossing over the genocide of sikhs in india. generally misquoting, trying to manipulate and look down at others. revising history to suit your arguments.

maximum respect to the guy in the video, thats proper representation.

respect to the singh for representing but i have to say he looks well camp.

khalsa fauj while i agree with you that the RAW and other indian agencies did a lot of crimes while pretending to be sikhs it is also fact that some sikhs did indiscriminately kill hindus (albeit on nowhere near the scale that some would have you believe). to think otherwise is delusional.

dunno but i know 1 brown guy doing it!

only if they are sikh or white! guv are u still up, jump onto msn and send me those pics.

thank you for your comments but you still fail to objectively convince me. firstly let me address some of your points. my reference to your drug consumption was meant to be a humourus take on how you manage to justify murderers being sheltered by the Indian regime. Let me point out to all readers of this forum that I have no evidence that Bruce Lung is a drug addict but it was merely meant to be humourful, perhaps i need to sort out my sense of humour, maybe you do. I leave it to society as a whole to decide what is normal. you say you never attempted to paint me as a fanatic yet you make statements like " it's obvious that they would kill me on the spot for being anti-khalistani if they had the chance". How was it obvious I would do this, especially when as you state in your own words so eloquently " palm i don't know you at all". as we are laying down facts about bhindrawale i can comment from mp3's i have listened to by him. perhaps you should listen to them to, as you seem to misquote him. firstly bhindrwale did not appoint himself as the figurehead of khalistan, it was khalistani groups who did that, hepled by the media and various rumour mongers. the primary source (mp3) i have listened to, in which bhindrawale states he has no desire to create a khalistan. regarding his non-action against youths, you assume here that he had the power to stop them, please present this evidence to the world. yes non-sikhs were targeted, but most khalistani groups targeted more sikhs than they did non-sikhs so i think it is rather self defeating for you to highlight this. indeed there was a lot of blowing up and killing going on, and a lot of it was carried out by instruments of the indian state. regarding the motorcycles and guns that you talk about, you somehow manage to jump to the conclusion that it was for assainations. have you heard the speech in which he talks of this, i have. if you listen properly rather than quoting selectively you will see why he reccomends this, however i can understand why you may want to omit this from your account above as again it defeats your arguments. it was to protect the people from state terrorism, he encouraged the villages to arm themselves to defend themselves from the forces of the beloved indian goverment. try and paint as rosy a picture as you want but without evidence and having to resort to rhetoric your arguments are hollow. bhindrwale did say things i disagree with strongly however you are still to convince me he was a terrorist or at the head of this evil empire out to destroy all hindus. "i think we can get on just fine as long as we can lay down the truth about some basic facts." i am sure we will get on fine as long as we lay down the TRUTH and basic FACTS rather than hypothesising and misquoting. we aren't in a kangaroo court in india and evidence needs to be water tight in the real world before we can point fingers. also please do not take my words as a personal attack, i am just questioning the credibility of some of what you say and trying to balance the arguments on the forum.

in your eyes paranoia. i could go on for ages and cite many examples of how India has tried to undermine sikhi, however I can see what bile you will spew next so I refrain. I can say whatever I like about Punjab being occupied because quite simply I live in a free society unlike your much cherished mother India where I would be classed as a terrorist and tortured. "this is exactly the problem. i don't think you understand the implications of what you're saying." then please do enlighten me as to the correct thought process. i assume it will involve some sort of undying loyalty to India or hindutva or something or another.

"if i can't persuade you then someone less tolerant might." is this some sort of veiled threat? also i can't see how someone could be less tolerant than you. i refer back to arguments you have presented such as white people are evil, white people should bankroll india, sikhs are overly violent etc etc

"you do realise that Bruce Lung is a Hong Kong film actor, not a reference to drugs?" yes "do we at least agree that bhindranwale was a terrorist?" if you can present me with valid evidence that he carried out terrorist activities then i will agree with you that he is terrorist. if you are going to rely on scaremongering and the rumour spreading you have currently tended to, such as painting me as a fanatic, then i do not recognise this. I do not know enough about bhindrawale or have any unbiased sources to make judgement from. Most of the details i know of him have come from indian media sources and i cannot trust these to convey the truth. however i do recognise that certain members of certain sikh factions have carried out crimes against other sikhs as well as non-sikhs. e.g. certain babbers enforcing people to wear dumallas etc. contracts carried out on people due to personal vengences etc. these crimes pale into insignificance however when compared to the mass genocide and crimes carried out by the paramillitary instruments of the indian state.

impressive. is this really true or khalistani propoganda? i wander what is special about 153 days.

bruce i think your hindutva credentials have been laid bare. "even go so far as to blame an entire nation..." refer to your previous posts, all white people are not to be trusted, british govt should recompense india. blaming individuals i guess. however i do not blame an entrie nation, just their leaders and the hindu death squads they unleashed. "always blaming someone else, never bhindranwale and cohorts..." errr, ok. i blame bhindrawale for picking up innocent sikhs in delhi in 1984, raping them, murdering them, destroying a whole community etc etc. cut the cr*p. " furthermore, the alleged perpetrators if they were acting on orders will attract the full "shelter" of the indian state. imagine the effect on morale if they did not" alleged, people like sajjan kumar are guilty full stop. personally if people like him are prosecuted for genocide i couldn't really care about morale. what are you suggesting, that all murderers who are servants of the state should be given immunity from prosecution so that their morale does not suffer? i think you should stay off the skunk a little, try weed or hash. " why don't you identify with the people YOU label quite ignorantly as "Hindus"." because they have shown the gulf that exists between the two philosophies by carrying out a genocide agaisnt 'the other' " I urge you to rethink your alignment with that particular cause." what cause? remind me again which faction i am affiliated to "who exactly are "your" people palm?" humanity "in my dealing with many pro-khalistanis, i have always encountered this bad attitude, and very strained forced courtesy. it's obvious that they would kill me on the spot for being anti-khalistani if they had the chance" i give you more credit than i previously did. You have very shrewdly managed to label me as pro-khalistani and not only that you have made me out to be violent and appear as though i want to attack you. not even the indian govt could be proud enough had they created a PR master for there genocidal intentions. This is exactly how the indian givt and certain hindu elements have managed to classify people as extremists and violent. your manipulative nature and deceiptfulness has been laid bare in the above statement. please do not label me or try and sow seeds of notions YOU are inventing. debate on the merit of your arguments, not by trying to spread fear and hatred, you would make an excellent editor for the Daily Mail. "there's no problem it's just that the killings happened as a result of something." so that makes it ok i guess jai hind