Arsh1469

Do you think killing her was right? Because of the killing a Genocide happened but if she wasn't killed she would not pay for her actions. Is killing her justified? Is it worth not killing her to save thousands of lives? Is assassinating someone right? Is killing an unarmed person right? 

Thoughts

A train is coming and is about to run over five people that are on the tracks. You can save them by flipping the switch but if you flip the switch the train runs over 1 person. What would you do?

Just now, paapiman said:

The translation of the entire clip or just a brief summary?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Translation of the entire clip

On 7/29/2021 at 10:57 PM, paapiman said:

The whole clip or just a brief summary?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

The clip

On 10/4/2018 at 1:29 AM, paapiman said:

The audio link below by Raqbewale, clarifies confusion on this matter (of meat eating).

http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/who-can-eat-chatka-and-what-effect-does-it-have-on-the-individual/

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Can you say what he is saying in English (My Punjabi is bad) Sorry for any inconvenience

IMO Jhatka was probably done by the Gurus. But I believe that in a modern society (where we have access to so many protein roch food where we don't have to kill animals ) we shouldn't eat meat. If you want go ahead eat Jhatka but try your best to avoid eating meat.

Does anyone have a pdf of Sarbloh Granth in English or a path of Sarbloh Granth in English.

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

It might have been a metaphor. Can you please post the verses so that we can look at them?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I added another verse I also find untrustworthy

8 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, there are other historical references for Havan too (in addition to its references in Gurbani).

So far, we have Havan mentioned in the following Granths:

• Sri Mukat Marag Granth
• Sri Sooraj Prakash Granth
• Sri Pracheen Panth Prakash
• Sri Navneen Panth Prakash

 

@Trimandeep Singh@Arsh1469

 

Bhul chuk maaf

If it was part of Sikhi it should be mentioned in SGGS or DGS.

This is an old post on the form it was by Akali_Akal_Singh IMO it is the Sikh view of Havan

"Sargun Havan is not Gurmat. Gurmat says that nothing is to be worshipped except the Nirgun swarup. According to Baba Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal wale, a Gurmukh's Havan is when Gyan awakens, when the avashnas are washed with the fire of Brahmgyan. Therefore "havan" like other words is used as a metaphor.

Udasis were the real Sikh missionaries. Their job was to spread Sikhi, to attract more and more people. Therefore, in order to achieve their goals, they adopted many Sanataan practises. Of whom are the saffron bhekh, idol worship, havan etc. They did succeed. They converted many Hindus into Sehajdhari Sikhs.

However, Khalsa has been strictly advised against these practises."

On 7/3/2021 at 11:21 PM, paapiman said:

@GurjantGnostic - The above passage talks about using meat and alcohol, as an offering to the fire to invoke the blessings of Sri Chandi jee. Have you come across this kind of stuff in any other warrior cultures?

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

As Sikh why do we need to make offerings for blessing. To get a blessing one should read bani and utter path.

On 7/8/2021 at 12:00 AM, paapiman said:

That injunction is probably for non-Nihang Singhs.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Why hold a double standard. If a Nihang does it why is it okay?

15 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I'm not aware of any. 

The only thing I know of is the havan of an ox in Bhangu's Panth Prakash. But I don't think they ate any part of the animal?

That panth parkash isn't really trustworthy. I remember reading a English translation and it says that after Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji's shaheedi all muslims were exiled from Sachkhand for the actions of Arungzeb.

IMO there is no need to make offerings to Devi Devta. This Granth is pretty mysterious and might be created by people to support there agenda. Havan may or may not be part of Sikh tradition.

2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Quote the whole Pangti bro. It's in reference to specific people. 

It is on ang 1377

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, you are going off-topic.

This topic is about offerings of meat and alcohol (which are probably reduced to ashes) in the Havan Kund, not about consumption of meat and alcohol.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I agree. Back to the topic Guru Nanak preached not to make offering or rituals. We don't need Devi Devta to connect with the supreme. To connect we must look inside of us. Vahguru is in all us. No need for offerings.

5 minutes ago, Arsh1469 said:

This one passage and katha proves alcohol and meat should never be eaten. Also rituals to Devi Devta shouldn't be done.

Edit: Also this says those who do Sukha too will fall to the underworld. It is a matter of choice whether to go with Taksal and Bhindranwale Sant or Buddha Dal and Nihang order as a whole. I agree with Sant Bhindranwale because his katha had a huge impact on me and I find all he says to be true. Any historical fact he says is always true and  has lots of evidence for it.

I guess this is some evidence of Mahapurukhs contradicting each other as what Sant Ji says contradicts many Nihnag Sants and the order's rehat.

4 minutes ago, Arsh1469 said:

I trust Sant Ji on this. No Sikh should eat or drink any of this

This one passage and katha proves alcohol and meat should never be eaten. Also rituals to Devi Devta shouldn't be done.

Edit: Also this says those who do Sukha too will fall to the underworld. It is a matter of choice whether to go with Taksal and Bhindranwale Sant or Buddha Dal and Nihang order as a whole. I agree with Sant Bhindranwale because his katha had a huge impact on me and I find all he says to be true. Any historical fact he says is always true and  has lots of evidence for it.